Chuck Norris: Dirty secret No. 1 in Obamacare = Home visits

reply to post by mrbarber


I think the bit about voluntary was perfectly explained in the following post

Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by Avenginggecko

 

You say, "The program is completely voluntary! No government agents are going to barge through your doors and spirit your children away to some federal education camp." I should point out to you the government says the Federal Income Tax is also voluntary. But, just try not paying your voluntary tax. The government is NOT to be trusted with raising our children...

well, the home visitation program is described as “voluntary,” ....
never the less, this is a very disturbing aspect of this bill….this “voluntary” program will no doubt be used for censoring conservative political views.. probably considering it to be a deviant social or emotional indoctrination and be a cause to take children away... Would owning guns create a dangerous environment? What about parent who smoke? Would they be unfit. It is well known that Liberals & conservatives have different ideas about parenting. no doubt theyll be trying to RAM their Liberal ideology down our throats!

btw, i learned something new today. did you guys know that Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer!






[edit on 11-8-2009 by 2012DragonSlayer]

"Was that a beer can in your garbage as we walked up to the house?"

"Is that a dirty ashtray? Do you smoke in your house? Where your children LIVE?"

"Did you know that your neighbor came outside to check the mail in a robe?"

"The store on the corner sells porno magazines. Do you condone THAT so close to your children?"

"Did you vote for XXXXXX in the last presidential election?"


Are there any other agenda style questions you would like the examiner to ask to see that "voluntary" or not, it is a dangerous idea? And those are overt examples that could be asked. What if none of those questions are even asked, but are just observed and noted?

I personally worked as security in a hospital and was informed that a neglected child was coming in and I had to keep both the mother and grandmother out of the ER until Children Services examined the infant. When CS arrived, one examined while one talked to me and explained again that they were not permitted entrance until they approved it. That the mother was 17 and had her two previous children removed from her.

These people were both poor and not very bright. The "neglect" was a diaper that needed changed. They tried to make do with as few diaper changes as possible (about 3 a day) to stretch their welfare money until the next check. The girl (mother) was trying hard to keep her baby but just needed and extra $40/week to go towards diapers.

These sorts of cases are very real folks. Had not these CS investigators not extended a little understanding the girl would have had that baby taken away from her too. The neglect report was from an anonymous tip. Could have been a concerned neighbor that smelled the dirty diaper or seen that the baby had reached in and wiped the feces on itself. Or it could have been from the estranged boyfriend/father. Or even another teenage girl that fancied herself a rival in some sort of soap opera-ish fantasy. Who knows?

But the point is that there are ways around voluntary statements. Experience should teach people that much.


[edit on 11-8-2009 by Ahabstar]

Originally posted by mrbarber
On page 838 line 15 and 16, it clearly states that the visitation program is VOLUNTARY. A waste of a topic and 4 pages of comments. Chuck and the rest of you should consider actually reading the bill beyond one page. I am against the bill in whole, but lets at least be intelligent about it.

OK since when has anything related to the government ever remained voluntary? They say that now, but what happens in 5-10 years down the road. Then it becomes their right. Now I am not against parental education. I am against the government's idea of parental education. Everything the government sticks their greedy little hands in becomes corrupted.

Originally posted by mrbarber
On page 838 line 15 and 16, it clearly states that the visitation program is VOLUNTARY. A waste of a topic and 4 pages of comments. Chuck and the rest of you should consider actually reading the bill beyond one page. I am against the bill in whole, but lets at least be intelligent about it.

It is voluntary for now. Almost everything in this bill that could be construed as undesirable is labeled as "voluntary". The drafters of the bill are doing this in order to get this pig of a bill pushed through congress.

Once passed, it will be very easy to change a word or two in the law and suddenly it is mandatory. Easiest way would be a short change buried in a bill or a budgetary measure, that has nothing to do with health care that nobody will pay attention to.

They are doing what they can to make this turd palatable, but once implemented it will never end, and will be changed to become what the drafters really want it to be.

Remember, the people making and voting on this bill will not be subject to it, congress is keeping their private insurance. If that doesn't ring the alarm bells nothing that will be said will.

[edit on 11-8-2009 by Dreamwatcher]

reply to post by warrenb


This will happen if we let it. Good post Warren.

This is another segment of the thinly veiled socialist agenda. Castro eventually took the grade school children and molded them away from their parents and after a few years sent them back home to root out the griping of their own families. This is big brother. They want you loyal to only the government. No family, no faith, no choice, no thought, no diversity. "You will be assimilated!"

On a related note.... If you get the opportunity, see the movie "The Lost Son of Havana". We saw it on ESPN of all places the other night and it is much more than a sports documentary. My wife's parents came to the US from Cuba in the mid 1950's. Her parents have gone back a few times over the decades and they have told us of the degradation, poverty and despair that has been every day life in Cuba following the revolution. What you will see in this film regarding the life of former major league pitcher Luis Tiant and his struggles to stay connected to and help the family he left behind in Castro's Cuba parallels the experiences of nearly every former Cuban. See this film, if for no other reason than to see what will happen here if the neo-Marxists succeed.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Educational guidelines have been used since the dawning of...education.

there goes that theory. oh well.

There is a big difference between education, and indoctrination, and the Obama administration gave power over education to something they call the Corporation on bill H.R. 1388 which was already signed by President Obama and is a law now.

That bill gives power over all learn based/education, and voluntary/mandatory work over this "Corporation" and it allows the "Corporation" to indoctrinate children as well as to indoctrinate professors in what they should be teaching American children, and now this.

That's apart form the fact that they want Americans, including children as young as primary school to be work slaves for the STATE, and that was all done under the Obama administration. Well Democrats are trying to pass a bill that they can do this to children from primary, the bill that passed into law covers children from secondary and up.

Originally posted by SoulOrb
What the heck are you talking about. Have you ever gone to these peoples houses, honestly. The poor have it tough, given enough to subsist but not enough to truly make a come back and get back on track.

I sincerely hope your next life is as a single mom trying to get off the system. In fact, I think there is a good chance you will. At least you support abortion, and freedom of choice, so that is one redeeming factor.

[edit on 11-8-2009 by SoulOrb]

I'm with Jesus H. Christ all the way.

Don't tell me how tough the poor have it. I'm talking about the chronically poor--generations of poor, not the new-just-lost-their-job poor. Tell me WHY the poor are poor and why they have children. WHAT logic could be behind their actions? Have you ever talked to people like that? Go to a big city and experience the "culture". There is no logic. There is no planning, no thought of the future. There is no shame at all that WE are paying for their kids, only a sense of entitlement. Try it. Actually go out on the streets and talk to these people. Ask a janitor what possessed him to make 5 kids and he'll tell you it "just happened". or the Lord said to be fruitful and multiply, or he came from a big family, so he wanted one too--even though he makes $8.00/hr.

My personal favorite is from a woman with 5 kids who lived in a efficiency--no bedroom walls-- apartment who would call her multiple "boyfriends" over every night. (I guess they were playing chess in front of the kids?) She said, while standing next to all her children, "I wish it was 1983 and I didn't have no kids." WOW! So, she just woke up one day and discovered they were there? She didn't have any CONTROL over the situation? She couldn't walk (no car-no job) to the Planned Parenthood down the street that gave out birth control? Or hey, keep her legs closed!!?

This is a small sampling of the kind of mentality that exists by the millions in this country, and yes, they need SOME KIND of guidance because they are incapable of guiding themselves. No one ever sat them down and told them about financial security, employment, delayed gratification, the benefits of a stable family life for children, thinking before making decisions, etc.. Their resulting children are the ones who suffer, grow up to perpetuate the cycle, and suck the money from the rest of us. If someone could intervene, perhaps it would break the cycle that these people are caught up in. It's too bad we need a nanny state to help people raise their kids, but the parents, should they actually have ever existed, failed them.

You hope JHC's next life is as a single mom, no, you don't get it, JHC would be too smart to be a single mom.

Before someone suggests I become one of the ones to be sterilized, I AM as sterile as a petri dish and had no kids BY CHOICE, after THINKING about it. I have plenty of money and a bit of education too. See the trend?

Enough venting. Going outside to look for meteorites.

And yet Norris still gives no evidence for his fear.

Prioritizing for low income families? I thought that meant they got priority in any voluntary requests?

I dunno, seems Norris is really reading into this.

Oh well, I've gotten used to living on a completely different planet that lots of y'all here.

From what I've observed in this and other predominantly US forums

Americans WANT to be slaves, WANT to whine, WANT to play victim

whether it's to 'NWO' or 'Aliens' or '2012'.


Let's face it, Americans are passive. They talk and that's it. When they spring to action, it's in de-facto mode, via American troops bombing the lights out of somewhere 'foreign' and raping 'foreigners' for daring to exist on this, the American Planet.

Americans want to be allowed to meander through life, dreaming of becoming 'stars' and 'rich'. And until then, they meekly obey whilst at the same time talking 'revolution'.

They need direction, from the sound of it. And despite ALL the protesting, they will welcome those who provide that direction -- in order they can sit back and whine some more.

There can be no more disturbing example of this than 9/11.

Americans panicked. Shock horror ! Someone struck the US ! Quick, send the military out there to kill all 'foreigners'. Save us, Save us ! WE don't want to be hurt.

And they handed the reins to a psychopath. THREW the reins to the psychopath. The net was ripe with Americans describing anyone vaguely connected with the Mid East as 'rag-heads'.

And all the rednecks burst into life ON THE NET (not in reality, of course) with threats of how the US military should kill at random and 'teach them' a lesson .. bang, bang, boom, boom, kapow !

Now we have Mr. Starched-Jeans himself, the predictable, anal retentive Chuck Norris, terrified that home visits will 'take away our Free-dums' and beating the war drum.

So predictable.

Let's face it, Americans need an enemy (the same's said for Israel, so we just connect those inescapable dots). All those manufactured threats that are such huge generators of dollars (for some) and words, words, words for the rest.

Only difference here is -- in the past, it was the 'Commie' threat and the 'A-rab' and 'terrorist' threats that tickled Americans' fancy. They were SAFE threats, because they were 'overseas', 'over there'.

This NEW threat, Obama's home visits, is happening 'here', in Americans' back yards. It's a threat too far, right ? I mean it's terrifying, that someone could walk through the gate to see if people have fed their children in the past week. What a shocking invasion of Americans' Free-dums !

reply to post by St Vaast


I missed the part of checking to make sure you have fed your children.


The way this reads, it is simply someone you can call if you want some help and have none.

reply to post by Jesus H Christ


Not only are you a hypocrite, but an idiot.

Don't you see that you HATE the fact that you need to have a license to do everything you do in life?


AND ALSO... who are you to say that anyone who belongs to the NRA or uses an out-house, or drives a pickup truck is white-trash? Just because someone decides to live the old fashioned way, or likes rifles, or moves a lot of # with their trucks?

God, I may sound pitiful here, but so do you.

The fact of the matter is that if anyone wants to be all for this new health care reform, then need to read the damned bill before opening their mouth.

Guys - we have home nurses, registered nurses, home visits - yes its the government sponsored program.

You must also consider the line between your government spying on you and where they are there to help you - the fact is that if he government has any suspicions regarding the welfare of a child they already have the powers to take action -

The assistance from the government when you have a new child is essential, the fear expressed here verges on the paranoid and delusional.

One might as well not trust surgeons as they could plant micro-chips inside you while they operate - delusional.

Try and find the balance - here you have the offer of services to new parents, vital assistance which every other developed nation offers but you see it as some wild ruse to find out more about you.

Threads like this are the very reason why ATS is turning to rubbish - the idea of most conspiracy theories is that there is evidence for it, for a reasonable drive to the power and greed - this is just ridiculous - nannies spying on the people of the US - please.

Further there is enough to worry about with the government REALLY is spying on you without throwing the baby out with the bathwater -

Originally posted by NoArmsJames
When I want some awesome '80s action and adventure I turn to Chuck Norris. When I want some cheesy '90s TV action I turn to Chuck Norris.
When I want to see what's in a bill I read said bill and come to my own conclusions. What I don't do is turn to Chuck Norris to interpret that bill for me, and then spread his interpretation as fact.

Thank you for thinking for yourself.

It's amazing how many people are trying to spread their own interpretations as fact.

reply to post by St Vaast


My friend I have to say after reading your post it deserves about 10,000,000 stars.

You just read our country here to the T, I could not stop laughing reading your post it was so spot, spot, spot on.

It's a shame no one here hardly is going to get it, and just how true it is, and how funny it is, but...best rant I have ever, ever seen on the net!

Thanks.

Well someone needs to teach these idiot parents how to raise their kids these days! There are some people that need sterilized because they are too stupid to have kids and you just can't fix stupid!

This isn't new, this is already going on, At least in my county. I have 3 children
2 born in the county were I currently reside, 1 born in another county in the same state. With my 2 that were born here, I got all those visits. I didn't learn a darn thing as a first time mom but man did I become paraniod. The people who were supposed to come out to "teach" me only made me feel demoralised.

Originally posted by boomerdude
reply to post by Jesus H Christ

 

And yet it is not the redneck hillbilly's that threaten our freedom, but the well educated intelligensia, schooled in all facets of socialism that are entrenched in all state departments of human services that will take your children from you and place them with pedophiles and murderers.

Fantastic post, bang on the money friend!

Originally posted by bigun_9
Well someone needs to teach these idiot parents how to raise their kids these days! There are some people that need sterilized because they are too stupid to have kids and you just can't fix stupid!

once again the connection between "soft" american fascism of obama and democrats and the "hard" european fascism of Hitler can be seen


Glorious

Just reading this thread makes it obvious how much you really need this prorgam... Lol