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Police Bulldog fight 'to go on'

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posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 12:18 PM
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Well i know a few members of various chapters and i've not seen a SINGLE bit of violence.

If anything these guys like a beer, a good day out on their bikes, hogs, trikes etc and then go home to their wives and girlfriends.

I think a few people are confusing the UK chapters as being the same as the american chapters which seem rife with violence and degradation.

Seriously some of the comments on here are quite ignorant.

www.salfordadvertiser.co.uk...

They do easter egg runs, christmas runs and other stuff for the poor kids at hospital. I should know, i knew enough of them from the old boozer in my home town. RUN by a biker.

It was possibly the safest place to drink, no trouble, no bother and good music.




posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 12:27 PM
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It was possibly the safest place to drink, no trouble, no bother and good music.


Ever wonder WHY it was the safest place to drink? What happened to troublemakers?

The Hell's Angels in the US do Toys for Tots and other events as well. They are stilll very dangerous when crossed! The same can be said for Bloods and Cryps and other gangs. They may support and protect their turfs, providing needed support, while robbing and killing elsewhere!!

They are also similar to our government in that, while providing protection and order, they are also supplying the drugs and poverty that create the need for protection!!



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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It was possibly the safest place to drink, no trouble, no bother and good music.


Ever wonder WHY it was the safest place to drink? What happened to troublemakers?


Yeah they didn't go in their purely on the rumours and myths of the reputation of the bikers.

As i say i've NEVER seen a single fight in that pub. Oh and the owner used to put on the BEST bonfire night celebrations too.

God i miss that place.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 12:32 PM
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This is one man's vendetta against what he views as an immoral group of people, simple as that.

He's been suckered into the stereotype opinions on bikers, and probably believes they are all drug dealers and murderers.

What really angers me about this is that there are events up and down the country every year where arrests are made. There was a stabbing at one festival, a rape at another, one I go to every year had more than twelve arrests for rioting in 2006.
Reading and Leeds festivals have riots almost every year.

Why is the Bulldog Bash so different?

This man should be removed from his post immediately, he is a perfect example of everything that is wrong with British Policing. You can't go around banning events and causing problems (and wasting our tax money!) simply because you "think it's a little bit possible that there might be some disturbances".

It is not right or moral to criminalise an entire group of people based on what one man thinks might happen. It's just completely insane.

I didn't go to Bulldog this year, but my best mate did and he had a fantastic time and already plans to go back next year. And if I had an invite I'd go too, it looks like a great festival filled with interesting people who I would get on well with.

The Bulldog organisers have vowed to fight anything this freak throws at them, and I'll support them in every way I can as a potential attendee for 2010.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by jd140
My uncle is a Hells Angel and he has told me events like this are a cover up for major drugs or arms transactions. You get a massive amount of bikers together and it makes it easier to do big buisness.

The cops are right to want to shut it down, but they will need to get evidence to do it.


Your Uncle is full of it. Quite frankly.

I grew up around biker CLUBS (that is what they are, the word "gang" is used in media and by authorities to paint them as nasty and dangerous).

These guys spend their days working on their bikes, and spend their nights having a beer and smoking some weed, then spend their weekends showing off their bikes to each other at events like this, all while raising money for charities for kids.

I know this as a fact.

One biker friend (I've known him for almost twenty years) is a Hospital Porter and one of the funniest guys I know. Another is a writer and artist and one of the most intelligent, peaceful and coherent people I have ever met.
Both are members of bike clubs, they support each other, help each other, run regular charity gigs and raise hundreds of thousands every year for Leukaemia charities and so on.

That is the reality of the UK Biker community.

So, please don't needlessly perpetuate the stereotypes when you clearly have no knowledge about the culture beyond what a misguided relative has told you.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by jd140
My uncle is a Hells Angel and he has told me events like this are a cover up for major drugs or arms transactions. You get a massive amount of bikers together and it makes it easier to do big buisness.

The cops are right to want to shut it down, but they will need to get evidence to do it.


Your Uncle is full of it. Quite frankly.


Couldn't have put it better myself. Well said




I grew up around biker CLUBS (that is what they are, the word "gang" is used in media and by authorities to paint them as nasty and dangerous).


Again...




These guys spend their days working on their bikes, and spend their nights having a beer and smoking some weed, then spend their weekends showing off their bikes to each other at events like this, all while raising money for charities for kids.


I said the exact same thing on the last page. They are just proud men, loving and living life. A few beers, a few smokes and a good way to spend the weekend.





One biker friend (I've known him for almost twenty years) is a Hospital Porter and one of the funniest guys I know. Another is a writer and artist and one of the most intelligent, peaceful and coherent people I have ever met.


One of my mates (a biker) works in a primary school. He's a very nice, mild mannered gentleman. Another mate helps out at a local deafness centre teaching sign language. Another biker is a woodwork/metalwork assistant at my old high school.



That is the reality of the UK Biker community.


Sadly reality doesn't fit in with some peoples media obsessed view.



So, please don't needlessly perpetuate the stereotypes when you clearly have no knowledge about the culture beyond what a misguided relative has told you.


Seconded.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 01:06 PM
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I think you guys are confused about Biker "gangs" compared to Biker "clubs."

The Hell's Angels I am writing about do not have regular 9 to 5 jobs! They are Hell's Angels 24/7! That is their job. They are doing "biker business" or drinking at all times.

Sure, I know a lot of great bikers! I ride every single day, rain or shine. I sold my truck a year ago! I am a Shriner, and we have a Biker Escort Group that rides together. I do Poker Runs and I know a lot of other clubs. Chrome Divas, Widow's Sons, and others.

Biker "Gangs" such as the Hell's Angels are not your school janitor or shop teacher! You don't "know" these guys unless you hang out in their bars, or participate in their businesses! There is no mistaking them when you rarely do have an encounter!

I have had several such encounters when travelling on my bike, and they were always tense but pleasant. I certainly knew to be respectful and reserved while I was outnumbered! I carry guns and knives at all times, but it really would not have mattered!



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 01:08 PM
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You obviously don't live in the UK.

You carry guns you say. I guess you're American.
Biker gangs don't really exist in the Uk.



[edit on 11-8-2009 by mr-lizard]



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 01:13 PM
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True, I am in the U.S., and I know your gun laws are a lot different over in the U.K. I would bet you still have plenty of armed gangs though! If they use the "Hell's Angels" name, they are paying for it in one way or another!

Aren't your soccer fans the most dangerous group in the country?

My wife got chased by a happy, naked group of soccer fans after a game a couple of years ago!! Riot if they lose, Riot Naked if they WIN!!



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready

Aren't your soccer fans the most dangerous group in the country?


In a word, no.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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True, I am in the U.S., and I know your gun laws are a lot different over in the U.K. I would bet you still have plenty of armed gangs though! If they use the "Hell's Angels" name, they are paying for it in one way or another!

Aren't your soccer fans the most dangerous group in the country?

My wife got chased by a happy, naked group of soccer fans after a game a couple of years ago!! Riot if they lose, Riot Naked if they WIN!!


You really do like your stereotypes don't you?


I am not in support of any football hooliganism, but we have football matches in the UK every week, and there is a riot maybe once every couple of years? And maybe one worth reporting every five years?

If we go by this Cops attitude, surely he should be fighting to ban all football too?
If the mere "possibility of violence" is enough, shouldn't he also be crusading against Boxing matches?

While we're at it, the largest group of people creating violence in this country is the Fri/Sat night drinking crowd in any major town and city in the UK. He should be crusading to close down ever night spot in this country if he's that concerned about "potential violence".

As I've said, festivals in this country always include drug use/abuse, drinking, and a level of violence, all leading to arrest. But there are events with far more attendees and therefore far more arrests every year and they continue without this threat of being targeted by Nazi Police.

The Policing in this country is already a joke. They beat up women in London streets, imprison people illegally when voicing an opinion in opposition of power, they even kill people! And then they try to cover it all up and deny anything happened! Only to be proven wrong when the video footage of the entire incident proves they acted violently.

This is a Police State, and that senior officer is just continuing on his little vendetta in that same mindset. And they wonder why so few of the British Public trust any form of law enforcement?

Actions garner trust and respect.



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