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Nancy Pelosi was not lying about the swastika remark

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posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 01:37 AM
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Yes, there was at least one protester carrying a swastiska. I remember when I first saw the news headline I went and googled it and that picture came up immediately. Then I heard right wing talk radio hosts saying things like "I didn't see anyone carrying swastiskas" and I knew they just weren't looking for them. You actually have to look for them in order to see them. Was Nancy misleading? If that was the only one, then absolutely. She said swastikas, plural. But were the talk radio hosts also deceptive? I would say yes also.

The only real thing I have to say about this is it's not the first time this sort of thing happened. It happens at just about every protest that ever happens whether it's under a democrat or a republican, and if you're just seeing it now then it's about time you opened your eyes. They always find (or plant) a few bad apples and use them to illegitimize our protests. Are we ever going to learn? It's a tactic as old as the game itself.

[edit on 11-8-2009 by theyreadmymind]




posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 01:37 AM
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I have decided that no one human being can be this ignorant.

This is what we call a troll thread.

ie, saying something so stupid it gets everyone all worked up while you sit back and have lulz.

Congratulations OP, you got me to post in a troll thread



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 01:41 AM
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What are you trying to prove? She said there were swastika's and there were. That still doesn't negate the fact that she was speaking of them out of context to demonize the protesters. She clearly was saying these things in disgust of the people who were protesting and trying to say there were swastika's there implying that these people are dangerous & in support of National Socialism. She did not say these people were brandishing crossed out Swastika's, opposing National Socialism.

She wasn't lying, yes I agree with you! But it is clear her intentions were to hurt the image of these protesters since Swastika's (not crossed out ones) are seen as an image of evil, unless reversed. What your doing is trying to look too much into something. She's against these protests and that's a fact. What she said was true, in a general sense, but unspecified.


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posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 01:45 AM
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There is a third reason.

She's scared, as are many politicians who are hosting these things.

Swastikas mean fascism, Nazi's, etc.

Like I said above, I think the protester believes that Obama's administration, and everyone associated who wants reform, is a fascist.

So, if there is a person who's carrying around a swastika, that person may be crazy enough to want to take out somebody.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by Mak Manto
This validates her. I'm not asking ATS to like her now, or believe in her now, but guess what?

She's not lying about the swastika.


Uh huh...

She wasn't lying.

You are correct.

You're point has been completely made, why do you keep responding to every post?

Oh yeah, points, it keeps the meaningless thread rolling.

Vas



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by breakingdradles


Just people seeing the glaring similarity to the Nazi plan ie letting the poor and elderly die!!!

[edit on 11-8-2009 by breakingdradles]


Just a heads up, the elderly and poor currently die because of lack of health care and a bad system.
Reform:
transitive verb 1 a : to put or change into an improved form or condition b : to amend or improve by change of form or removal of faults or abuses
2 : to put an end to (an evil) by enforcing or introducing a better method or course of action
3 : to induce or cause to abandon evil ways
4 a : to subject (hydrocarbons) to cracking b : to produce (as gasoline or gas) by crackingintransitive verb : to become changed for the better

So trying to pass a health care REFORM would be trying to improve health care so less of these people die. Stop buying into the lies and rumors about the elderly and poor being carted off to die, its total BS.

Go talk to a bum and ask them how their health care currently is to them. Ask somebody with a preexisting condition how their health care is working out for them.

How about one of the 15% of people who are unemployed right now and can't afford health care anymore like COBRA, how do you think they feel about the treatment they can get?

This is the wrong battle as this one saves lives. Tax me an extra 100 bucks a year if you want, I would be happy to pay that if it meant I saved the life of even 1 person.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 01:52 AM
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I don't plan on returning back to this thread to read responses to my comment about this thread so fire away lol.

Many posters have already made the factual statement that YES there were swastika's but that is to depict Nazi policies with prior and this admin and nothing more.
The MSM just loves keeping the us divided over such stupid arguements and people buy into it.
Nancy Palosi is a failed polititian period and isn't worth the time of day! Who cares what she thinks since she doesn't seem to care what Americans think about Free Speach.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 02:02 AM
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The point is that people who believe Obama is a Nazi/Nazi like are not sane in my mind or the very best are so biased that they cannot think clearly.

Trying to convince a sane person that a BLACK man is a Nazi/Nazi like, is like trying to convince the Jews that the holocaust didn't happen!!!!!!!!

Yes, Pelosi was right either way. Her implying (as some will say) that the protesters were Nazi's is just as crazy as the protesters implying that OBAMA is a Nazi. But I guess Pelosi is the only one who cannot make that reference, only people who are mad that their guy lost.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 02:11 AM
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I believe you are arguing technicallity versus intended meaning. Why would she bring up some random sign she saw? Just to say "Oh hey I saw a swastika!" or did she imply something when talking about opposition? However given the fact that she responds to the question of grass roads opposition, as astroturf (Artificial grass, or fake grass). She means to imply that they aren't authentic. (Or maybe she thinks they're good to play soccer on?) So when she brings up people carrying swastikas, ( a symbol of the nazi regime, incase someone didn't know that.) She seems to imply that they aren't being honest, and are actually nazis.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 02:56 AM
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Like I said before, she may be scared.

Some democrats are getting death threats. She sees a swastika, next thing you know, someone may be gunning her down, screaming, "Die, Nazi!"

I wouldn't be surprised.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 03:10 AM
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Originally posted by Mak Manto
Like I said before, she may be scared.

Some democrats are getting death threats. She sees a swastika, next thing you know, someone may be gunning her down, screaming, "Die, Nazi!"

I wouldn't be surprised.


Exactly, Now go look up the death threat made to the reps. office...

Go on look... I'm not going to wait for you because these are all BS scare tactics.

They are used HEAVILY in California. Go live there for a few years and you'll get that cynical attitude that regular citizens get from the deluge of fear tactics...

Pelosi is old rank and file and believes that she can play it on non-Californians.

Hey, it worked on you. These people are fearless and void of ethics. Professional liars.

Did you find the person that issued that death threat?? Arrested?

This is as stated before ; a troll thread.

Nitpick yourself and your spouse to death OP.

Leave us out if it.

EDIT TO ADD:
They are Consummate Professional Liars! They are fearless.
Only when confronted with an angry mob and no body guards do they flinch because they know the jig is up and they can't lie their way out of that.
Someone with courage can calm a crowd.
And why all the new jets? To whisk as many congressman/women away from the capital as they can on a moments notice. They can't be relying on AirForce to save their asses.


[edit on 8·11·09 by DrMattMaddix]



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 03:45 AM
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Originally posted by Mak Manto
There is a third reason.

She's scared, as are many politicians who are hosting these things.
Swastikas mean fascism, Nazi's, etc.
Like I said above, I think the protester believes that Obama's administration, and everyone associated who wants reform, is a fascist.
So, if there is a person who's carrying around a swastika, that person may be crazy enough to want to take out somebody.


WHAT!
you must be a govn agent because you sound like a spin machine. If you AREN'T an agent then you've been duped to think too politically correct.

there isn't a thing that people can protest about now without being called an extremist or un-American. The Socialism and Fascism point is in the MSM regarding how people are referring to the current state of affairs and where we're going.

Pelosi USED the sign as a politically charged statement without referring to it in the context as it was presented. She didn't say "People are calling us Nazis", she said people are showing up with Swastikas which implies they are wearing them as armbands and clicking their heels together. Do you really think she's NOT that oily in her speech. How the hell do you think she got where she is now? By snake charming. She was QUICK and happy to use that statement in the exact way that I understood it when I heard it.. Like there was Nazis there. NOT that she was being called a Nazi or similar to because of her nazi-ish agenda.

Please please please, don't fall into the politically correct trap as that is a tool that has been propagated BY the government, is being USED by the government and at this point in our history, the definition has been perverted into a leveraged base legal crutch that is wielded against the common man for making a statement in ways that has impact.

There's a time to debate and a time to stand for what you believe in. Pelosi and the like are flat up liars, cheats and are detached from the society that gives them the power they so readily abuse and think they have RIGHTS to.

Amazing that people want to pitter patter around with what is so blatantly obvious and turn it into another fiasco. It's exactly what they want, what she tried to achieve and by golly she succeeded. So either you recognize that and call her for what she is, are a government agent or you have been duped.

b



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 04:12 AM
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Well I guess if Pelosi and the other dems werent acting like nationalized socialist party , no one would need to bring a swastika with a slash thru it to a town hall meeting.
If this healthcare mess passes , you will be screaming "I'm an essential"



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by Mak Manto
reply to post by breakingdradles
 


I don't care what they are, Dradles. They could be Satanists for all I know.

All Pelosi said was that there were people there who were carrying swastikas.

Many people called her a liar.

Is she lying now that there's a picture of this happening?


No. People I've seen or heard did not say she lied about the swastikas being there. People are saying that Pelosi is too stupid to realize that the swastikas are for her and the rest of the democrats trying to take away our rights - like the nazis did to Germany almost 80 years ago.




posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by Mak Manto
Like I said before, she may be scared.

Some democrats are getting death threats. She sees a swastika, next thing you know, someone may be gunning her down, screaming, "Die, Nazi!"

I wouldn't be surprised.


Scared?

Scared of people who say no to nazis, because that is what those signs represent.

If she is scared of anti nazis would that mean that she is infact, a nazi herself?

Why else would she be scared of anti nazis?

I believe you might be on to something. Pelosi is a Nazi, I knew there was something off about her.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by Mak Manto
Like I said before, she may be scared.

Some democrats are getting death threats. She sees a swastika, next thing you know, someone may be gunning her down, screaming, "Die, Nazi!"

I wouldn't be surprised.


Like the swastika carrying protesters during Bush's administration that she made not one comment about?

[edit on 8/11/09 by Ferris.Bueller.II]



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 09:18 AM
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Interesting info on the swastika....

It was an American symbol long before Hitler.
The USA originated Nazi salutes, flag fanaticism, Nazism, robotic group-chanting to flags

The early Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. flag (1892 to 1945) was the origin of the straight-arm salute
rexcurry.net...

Actually the very word "swastika" comes directly from Sanskrit meaning "of good omen", from "svasti", safety. Quite the opposite of the Nazi ideology.

n 1925 Coca Cola made a lucky watch fob in the shape of a swastika with the slogan, "Drink Coca Cola five cents in bottles." At that time, the Swastika was still a symbol of 'Good Luck'. The watch fob is approximately 4cm x 4cm in size and is made of brass.


'Lucky Cent' swastika coins from USA. Late 1800's/ early 1900's


And that is only the tip of the ice burg, there is the reference in Asian culture, Buddhism, Indian culture, Roman days, American Indian culture, Canada, Finland, Russia, England, China etc etc.


to be honest I am not entering this debate, I am just adding info on the symbol, for knowledge. I am neither condoning or condemning the use of it either.

I do think there is a lot of right and left wing Nazi like behavior going on over obama though....and to be honest I wish you all on both sides would make a web site and go there and argue about it...
You are opposite sides of the fence but really are after the same ideal...control and power...

There is so many other things to occupy your time with to learning and grow, than to worry who is the puppet....the powers that be will still be in charge no matter who is in office and will manipulate and control the government of the day to fit their agender.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 12:53 PM
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I'm not a spin machine, I'm a partisan.

Unlike the rest of the gas bags on here who pretend they're non-partisan or Independent, I can say that I support a party.

But that's not the case here.

The case was that Pelosi said she a swastika at a town hall meeting and was called a liar on it.

No lie, though, when it did happen.

What you guys think on what the woman meant for the sign, that's up to you, but Pelosi didn't lie.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Mak Manto
No lie, though, when it did happen.

What you guys think on what the woman meant for the sign, that's up to you, but Pelosi didn't lie.


As far as what the woman meant for the actual sign, it's VERY clear.. The symbol is crossed out and you are trained at a very young age by what that line through the middle of the symbol means. NO NAZIS. No smoking signs for example..

As far as what Pelosi said, she 100% IMPLIED that nazis were at the rally. Her implication is misleading and is a political lie. Telling part of a truth without the whole truth is in essence a lie.
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This is a case of semantics. You say she didn't lie and I realize where you're coming from. I say she lied.. can you see where I'm coming from?
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I'm not trying to beat you into submission, I just want to know if my voice has reason to someone like yourself. The reason I ask is because the whole political structure has been corrupted and misled and driven by the Non-lies that are actually lies and truly worse than flat out lies because a flat out lie can be directly refuted and brought to justice.. A half-lie, political lie or twisted truth leads to equally twisted roads that people follow and can't seem find a way off.. It's a game to them but detrimental to us.
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just because you don't subscribe to a certain party, it doesn't release you from choosing a side on whether a person that bears a burden of responsibility for the American people should be held to the truth, Foundation and Strength of their words.
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This is not "gas" I'm belching .. this is the stark foundation of what is wrong with this country and unless we join together on fundamental MORAL issues as basic as this then these twisted politics will never be straightened out due to semantics and complicated issues became impossibly entangled within muddled basics.

I HATE that word btw. Semantics and Politics are synonymous in my book. Or they have become so in regards to our Government.

So what say you?

And btw.. I wish you nothing but peace so please don't take this as an attack.

b



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by Mak Manto
I'm not a spin machine, I'm a partisan.

Unlike the rest of the gas bags on here who pretend they're non-partisan or Independent, I can say that I support a party.

But that's not the case here.

The case was that Pelosi said she a swastika at a town hall meeting and was called a liar on it.

No lie, though, when it did happen.

What you guys think on what the woman meant for the sign, that's up to you, but Pelosi didn't lie.


Is anyone here making the aguement that she lied?

Nope.

Are you argueing with yourself just to keep the thread going?

hmm...

Vas

P.S. I am of the philosophy that it is funny to feed trolls.



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