Palin 'death panel' claim sets Truth-O-Meter ablaze

Palin 'death panel' claim sets Truth-O-Meter ablaze

www.politifact.com

We have read all 1,000-plus pages of the Democratic bill and examined versions in various committees. There is no panel in any version of the health care bills in Congress that judges a person's "level of productivity in society" to determine whether they are "worthy" of health care.

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Wow... not like I needed this to realize that Palin never speaks truth, let alone truth to power.

But when you read the truth-o-meter, it's amazing how much FALSE rumors are being circulated.

As I sit here and watch the loonies on TV at these town halls (yep loonies... some are downright throwing tantrums), I'm amazed at how much of the American public, and ATSers are consistently duped by fear.

It's almost as if thats the biggest weakness America has.. it's fear.

Check out the truth-o-meter. It's a great dose of fresh air, amidst the aroma from the scat that exists right now.

www.politifact.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

When I read this, I could only nod and think to myself that trying to explain to people that Palin is for entertainment purposes ONLY is exactly like banging my head against a wall: I don't get anywhere and it is painful.

But then I thought, there are those out there that actually think she is intelligent. That I'm "scared" of her and the more she talks the more I cower. But these people must also feel like they are banging their heads trying to get me to understand.

So I guess that is where we are, still standing on opposite sides.

As far as healthcare goes, no matter what reform bill is passed, no matter how many people it makes happy or sad, it will still need to be ironed out over the years. It won't ever be perfect. But neither is what we have now.

I'm not agreeing with what Palin said, because the bill does not say anything about a "death board", but I will label this article "misleading".

As somebody that has read this bill, I would like to point out that this article completely forgets to mention the fact that the Health and Human Services Secretary will appoint a panel that will decide what treatments should be administered. The HHS Secretary also has the power to either approve or deny I a request for treatment that has not been approved, and there is no judicial review for the decision that the Secretary makes.

The panel that they are talking about does exist, but they neglected the part about the panel that will be appointed by the HHS Secretary that will decide which treatments shall be administered.

reply to post by HunkaHunka


This is what she was probably refering to. Dr. Ezekiel Emanual, Healthcare Policy advisor to president Obama.
EDIT: IT IS FROM HIM BUT FROM 1996 (SORRY)
I will use his quote from earlier this year, "This civic republican or deliberative democratic conception of the good provides both procedural and substantive insights for developing a just alloca- tion of health care resources. Procedurally, it suggests the need for public forums to deliberate about which health services should be considered basic and should be socially guaranteed. Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity-those that ensure healthy future genera- tions, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic. Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia. A less obvious example Is is guaranteeing neuropsychological services to ensure children with learning disabilities can read and learn to reason.

Basically she was spot on, if she was refering to the presidents own staff member on healthcare. . .



[edit on 10-8-2009 by mikerussellus]

I'm just laughing at these idiots. Watching a bald old 300 pound man in a Hawaiian shirt throwing a temper tantrum while ranting incoherently about socialism makes me . And what a surprise more lies and *snip* from the right, as if the last eight years weren't enough. At this point even though I have a few issues with the health bill I want it to pass just so I can laugh in these people's faces. The best thing is every day the Republicans and Conservatives just discredit and destroy themselves more and more with this idiocy to the point where they're just a circus sideshow. Obama is actually doing a decent job and it's driving those people crazy. Not bad for a Kenyan


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[edit on 8/11/2009 by maria_stardust]

The fact that there are so many people out there that still believe this woman has a clue astounds me.

Well, I guess for those of us with Ocean Front Property in Arizona to sell, it's a great thing!



[edit on 10-8-2009 by HunkaHunka]

reply to post by HunkaHunka


A question is politco an Obama outlet or a true middle of the road paper?

I have also read the thousand page bill and there are parts of it that are downright scary, like how the HHS secretary will apoint a board to review costly procedures.( Not Verbatim)

Also how they will have access to your bank accounts to collect fees that are due.

While it does mention you can keep your health insurance through your employer a goverment option would in effect either kill competion; by putting in low cost plans that insurance compaines couldnt compete with in effect driving everyone onto the goverment option which would drive other insurers out of buisness giving the goverment a monoply on your health insurance. Or fix the price of all health care needs which would in turn enforce insurance companies to also set there prices the same way in order to stay in buisness..... ( Similar with what the Oil Cartels Due.)

But the true kicker here that makes me really fear this things is this... Congress, the prez, and federal employess due not have to take this... If it is so good as they are saying it is, Why dont they take this option?????? That makes the whole thing suspect.....


Now I belive in a a free market I do not belive the goverment has the right to involve its self in private buinsess affairs. (yes to include the bank bailouts, even though it appears to be working) I belive the government should regulate things Thats there job, they shouldnt be in the buisness of running a buisness.

Whatcha think?

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife

I would like to point out that this article completely forgets to mention the fact that the Health and Human Services Secretary will appoint a panel that will decide what treatments should be administered. The HHS Secretary also has the power to either approve or deny I a request for treatment that has not been approved, and there is no judicial review for the decision that the Secretary makes.

AND, this is different from the FOR-PROFIT Health Insurance Companies denying needed medical care and dropping patients rather than paying claims.....this is different how, again???

...the fact that the Health and Human Services Secretary will appoint a panel...

THIS is the very same sort of fear-mongering junk that was uttered by Fmr Gov. Palin last Friday, because it smacks as an almost exact copy of her (false) claims of a Gov't "death panel".

That sort of shameless rhetoric, from a person who just a few months ago was outraged by a comedian's joke about (what he thought was) her adult daughter, yet this same woman has no qualms about using her infant son as a prop in this political charade???

ALL of the BS coming down the pike about the "perils" of a Health Care Bill is fostered by ---[drumroll, please]---the INSURANCE COMPANIES!!!

The same insurance companies that saw their corporate profits nearly quintuple!!! between years 2000 and 2007...(Hmmmm, who was President then???) and average Insurance Company CEO compensation?? $11.9 MILLION. Per year.

Remember those old TV commercials for Gravy Train dog food?? Well, if you don't, I sure 'betcha' these guys do!!!
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AND for the TV commercial....





[edit on 10 August 2009 by weedwhacker]

How is it a good thing if the Republicans get discredited and destroyed ? If you think this country has been bad with a 2 party system, imagine a 1 party system.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Yep... it's pretty much the Insurance companies who have the most to gain from stopping the health care bill.

Starred!

Originally posted by Strictsum
How is it a good thing if the Republicans get discredited and destroyed ? If you think this country has been bad with a 2 party system, imagine a 1 party system.

Because that party brought us a destroyed economy (the Bush deficit, the banker class running wild under his watch, the first bailout) a shredded constitution, the drug war, two pointless evil wars founded on lies, and Sarah Palin. Sometimes when the arm has gang-green, you gotta cut it off to save the rest of the body.

[edit on 10-8-2009 by CuriousSkeptic]

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Why is it when someone has a valid point people try to smash them or discredit them I have read the bill read what I posted and snwer those questions....

Have any of you who are for the bill sitting in the house right now even read the damn thing?

reply to post by weedwhacker


Have you read the bill? Its not fear mongering when you actual read the bill and relase that it is not kosher...... Read before you spew left wing talking points... PLEASE READ IT.. you will see the bill isnt all its cut out to be.

reply to post by CuriousSkeptic


Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see it as one parties fault. I personally think they all work for the same people anyway but at least it's some sort of check and balance. If the Republicans are gone, who will take their place? I am certainly not comfortable having Democrats making all the decisions with no other input.

If we have some other party step up as a decent challenge then by all means get rid of the Republicans. Until then I believe we need them both or 100 different ones but definitely not 1.

Originally posted by Strictsum
reply to post by CuriousSkeptic

 

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see it as one parties fault. I personally think they all work for the same people anyway but at least it's some sort of check and balance. If the Republicans are gone, who will take their place? I am certainly not comfortable having Democrats making all the decisions with no other input.

If we have some other party step up as a decent challenge then by all means get rid of the Republicans. Until then I believe we need them both or 100 different ones but definitely not 1.

You're right man, it's not all their fault. However, all of this happened on their watch and was instigated by them. What's going to suck is if Ron Paul runs and I have to vote Republican for President.

I agree with you, I wish we had 100 different parties of equal prestige rather than the "two" party joke of a system we have now.

reply to post by poedxsoldiervet


poedx, OK...I'll bite.

I hear it's 1,000 pages long. Can you provide a page number that references the "death panel"???

It will help us out, and cut to the chase.

OH, and "left-wing talking points"??? I have a sneaking feeling the "right-wing" is far more experienced in that particular tactic.

There's a rather clever new phrase I heard tonight to describe a certain "News" channel on cable TV, here in the USA. BUT, it would be inappropriate to write it here, as it is a rather off-color double entredre'.

Might run afoul of the 'censor circumvention' rules....but I d when I heard it!!!

reply to post by CuriousSkeptic


I understand your frustration with the Right, I have it also. I just fear the day we no longer have a choice between at least 2 parties. When that day comes the game is over.

Have a nice night.

reply to post by weedwhacker

AND, this is different from the FOR-PROFIT Health Insurance Companies denying needed medical care and dropping patients rather than paying claims.....this is different how, again???

Applause, applause!!! Finally, somebody showed the depravity of the entire discourse.

Basically, those who oppose universal health care are okay with the same supposed "evils" of the bill, as long as its the free market doing the dirty deed. Talk about hypocracy, immorality and depravity of the highest (or lowest, depending on how you choose to define "high" and "low") order.

We need to stop acting like the free market is God and the government is the anti-God. Any system that relies completely on one kind of system is destined for failure.

Does it really shock anybody that Sarah Palin is running around talking out of her pretty little rear end?

If she's the best the right can put up as a future leader, you'd all better get used to Democratic presidents.