My Letter to the White House's new Reality Check Web Site on Health Care, page 2

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reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 06:46 PM by ProfEmeritus

reply to post by Kords21

despite his list of broken promises

Here are some more broken promises of his:

1. Make Government Open and Transparent
2. Make it “Impossible” for Congressmen to slip in Pork Barrel Projects
3. Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public
4. No more secrecy
5. Public will have 5 days to look at a Bill
7. We will put every pork barrel project online

www.infowars.com...

and here are some more:

8. no taxes on those earning less than $250,000.00 a year-tell that to the smokers

The following are from:
www.philly.com...
9. eliminate lobbyist influence- he hired many of them into his administration
10. Obama promised to renegotiate NAFTA if elected president, and opposed new free-trade agreements with Colombia and South Korea. But now, the Administration says Obama has no plans to reopen NAFTA and is pushing Congress to ratify the trade agreements.
11. He said he wanted bipartisan input to bills -Soon after he was sworn in, the president signed an earmark-laden spending bill with virtually no bipartisan support or public review - and then promptly issued a signing statement.
12. During the campaign, Obama portrayed himself as a fiscal hawk, promising to cut taxes for most taxpayers while simultaneously putting our nation on a path toward fiscal responsibility with "a net spending cut." That would require making hard budgeting choices - which Obama has yet to do. Instead, Obama's budget would double the national debt over the next five years and triple it in 10. Similarly, his signature middle-class tax cuts expire in just two years, while his promises to cut taxes for small businesses are postponed until after his term in office.

Change you can believe in? NOT!

reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 06:57 PM by ProfEmeritus

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I don't know when they start floating your name for Secretary of Education you might find a lot of job offers enticing you out of retirement. Oh wait you can't be Secretary of Education you actually pay your taxes, have no criminal record and are a highly respected academic! Sure doesn't seem to be the kind of qualifications this administration looks for!

My approach to the Educational System in this country would put me an still another Terrorist Watch list. I think we should demolish the entire system, eliminate unions from academia, get rid of phony standards, hire people that actually performed in the fields that they are teaching, encourage students to THINK on their own, eliminate all memorization tests above 8th grade, test students on being able to actually USE the information that they learn, encourage team projects, introduce students to REAL WORLD applications, and then PROVIDE them the opportunity to enter the career fields that they chose. That means, of course, eliminating all H1B visas, outsourcing of jobs overseas, and true apprenticeships for college students.
In addition, college professors should be required to provide true counseling to students.
Curriculum should be developed based upon American Industry needs, not the needs of greedy professors that are merely concerned with pushing their own agenda.
Eliminate the political correctness wording in textbooks, and allow upper class students the opportunity to do independent research, with trained people as overseers.

Of course, PT, you are correct. That certainly would disqualify me.
Thanks for the initial thought though.

reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 07:01 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by Kords21
I don't know what the Obama die hard supporters feel/think, but it seems to me that on some level they think this Healthcare bill is bad, but I think that Heatlhcare is the last peg they have to hang onto that would make Obama a "success" and they don't want to be wrong about him despite his list of broken promises (the war, lobbyists and such).

I think that's a large part of it. His prestige and aura of invincibilty will be shattered if he fails to pass health care reform.

There is an excellent chance that health care reform is the item that isn't that important to him, but is very important to many poor and uninsured/under insured Americans and while all eyes are on the health care legislation...Cap and Trade will sail by with hardly a notice.

Cap and Trade stands to make Wallstreet and Goldman Sachs especially an incredible fortune as the will rake in a whopping 10% on the Carbon Tax in the Bill.

That's the real prize corporate America and the corporate government really has their eyes set on, and it's possible this whole poorly thought out initiative on health care is a carrot being dangled in front of Americans who need it, and an ellement of fear and uncertainy for Americans who are uncertain if they want the government in the Health Care business and won't even be paying attention when the Cap and Trade Bill comes to vote and the prices at the Gas Pumps go way up because citizens will have to start paying a tax on the emmissions their cars emitt.

One thing is for certain that for low income citizens especially families the idea of Government Health Care is very appealing and the recession has caused many middle class people who previously had health care to slip into the low income class without healthcare and not having health care worries many people.

A lot of people see it as something for nothing, a gift from the government, and are not thinking or concerned how it might turn out to be a very terrible thing should a health care bill passes that will allow government to dominate the health care industry in the United States.

Time will tell.

reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 07:03 PM by Kords21

Yes, Obama is quite the Joker and people wonder where the artist got the inspiration from

I wonder what he's promising Acorn and the SEIU in exchange for their "services", oh wait he's already paid billions to Acorn, maybe there are some promises he does keep. There was a thread on here "The Apollo alliance" and it's worth a look. In the Obama administration if you're outside that group, don't expect anything except for higher taxes to fund their programs.

reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 07:08 PM by ProfEmeritus

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It struck me when I saw the video of the SEIU members beating the pulp out of a man, that the video of those thugs reminded me of a previous video, and a discussion on a thread I created last year. Here is that youtibe video:

YouTube Link

reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 07:17 PM by Kords21

Not to mention the well documented, rampant corruption that is in Acorn. I can appreicate them wanting to get the word out and getting people to register to vote, but Acorn uses it for very nefarious reasons.

YouTube Link

The Apollo Alliance

YouTube Link

These are the groups/interests that Obama is loyal to.

reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 07:30 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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Well after watching that that video Professor its nice to know that the only racism involved in politics today is the birther movement???

It is a bit plexing the appeal the President has on people of race to the point that he captured 90% of their vote and so many of them feel so compelled to volunteer for a host of Obama Branded causes.

Heaven forbid he not win reelection. I still can't shake the nagging feeling that this is all shaping up to be a Nazi Style dictatorship in every sense of the word.

reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 08:50 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Well I am officially crest fallen the whole day has come and gone and no reply from the White House!

What on earth could they be doing over there? It sure couldn't be anything for the citizens!

reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 08:54 PM by ProfEmeritus

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What on earth could they be doing over there?

My good friend, I believe he is busy scripting tomorrow's town meeting that he is hosting in New Hampshire.
He did a great job of completely scripting the town hall meeting he held:

As the Ticket reported yesterday, Obama answered questions at a town hall at Northern Virginia Community College in Annandale, Va., about protecting the uninsured, giving consumers a public option and converting medical records from paper to digital files. The White House portrayed the town-hall meeting as one in a series of public outreach events, a way for the president to keep his finger on the pulse of public opinion, and in turn to sway Americans on the complex and contentious issue.

This morning, the Washington Post is reporting that "of the seven questions the president answered, four were selected by his staff from videos submitted to the White House Web site or from those responding to a request for 'tweets.' " And the three audience members he called on randomly? The Post says "all turned out to be members of groups with close ties to his administration: the Service Employees International Union, Health Care for America Now, and Organizing for America, which is a part of the Democratic National Committee."

None of this would surprise any good White House advance staffer. Better to control the crowd, screen the questions, anticipate the topics. And, to be fair, a college campus in a Democratic county might be expected to produce friendly questioners.

The problem is that Obama himself made an issue of transparency, promising an administration that allowed the public to see what its government was doing. In fact on Jan. 22, his first full day in office, Obama issued a series of executive orders instructing government agencies to open their files, saying, "Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency."

latimesblogs.latimes.com...

edited to add link

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reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 09:04 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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Oh that makes sense. I am sure that scripting his town hall meeting is very important.

I sure hope they secure the telleprompter better for him, it's so embarassing when it falls over and he gets that confused lost look about him.

Digitizing records is great idea! I once did business with a very prominent lawfirm that specialized in international mergers and acquisitions.

You know those friendly lawyers that help Kraft take over RJR Nabisco and pocket 30 or 40 million in legal fees along the way.

Well for some strange reason in early 2,000 right about the time the World Trade Centers fell down, this very sucessful firm that advertized on CNN went bankrupt.

So all their clients had to petition the bankruptcy court and it seemed there was some over billing going on too. Can you imagine that? At a law firm, and lawyers of all people?

The good news was is that before shuttering their offices across the globe they gave the Judge hearing the case in San Francisco Federal Bankruptcy Court all their client billing records in digital form.

Can you believe the silly Court lost the only copy of the disk and all the litigants got left out in the cold.

I don't think digitizing imporant records like Birth Certificates is such a good idea either! Of course Birth Records are part of a person's health records right Professor?

reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 11:03 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Wow here it is the end of Day 1 and no response from the White House that has vowed to use it's considerable resources to make sure it's Health Care Policy can pass in it's own Democratically controlled House and Senate???

Wow! Could that be why they haven't written back yet...because it doesn't matter that I have concerns or objections because the Democratic controlled White House in conjuction with the Democratic controlled Congress and Senate can pass anything they want to anytime?

But hey! Wait a minute that would mean all these silly arguments by the Democrats that right wing Republicans are keeping the Democratically controlled Congress, Senate and White House from passing the Bill.

Wow! I sure wonder how the Republicans could do that since they have no control!

I wonder why the Democrats are protesting so much then that people are protesting against the health care bill?

What could it possibly matter that people are protesting since they are in control?

The only thing I can think of is they just don't want anyone opposing them ever period on anything.

That sure is Democratic of the Democrats?

reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 11:10 PM by Kords21

I've been wondering if this Healthcare/Insurance reform is so good, then why don't the Democrats pass it and take all the credit/glory and rule for the next 40 years like Jams Carville seems to think they will.

YouTube Link

All the pieces are in place for the Democrats to cement themselves as the party that "saved" America. Republicans can't do anything but sit there and eat popcorn while they watch.

reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 11:43 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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That's so true my friend. So the reality is that the Democrats are pretty much just taking a 'we will allow no dissent of any kind' position, since there is no numericaly superior opposition that can threaten their hedgemony in the House, Senate and White House from the minority Republicans.

This is all very unseemly, unseemly indeed.

Great video, thanks for posting all the great additions to this thread.

reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 11:53 PM by Kords21

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Thanks, I enjoy reading your contributions throughout the message board. I like having good rational discussions on issues.

I think the Democrats are a little taken back by the fact the the American people don't 100% subscribe to their way of doing business and for a narcissist like Obama (who never met a camera he didn't like) to have people who don't agree with him is something he can't have. I think it's telling when you have the President of the United States to tell citizens to stop talking and get out of the way.

If Obama wanted to help his plummeting poll numbers he'd have a town hall meeting with people who disagree with him so there can finally be a real dialouge on this subject not just talking points on both sides. Have people with the understanding that all questions will be in a civil manner and disrupters will be removed. Obama is going to have to face the music sooner rather than later.

The comparison could be made to Bush mad dash into Iraq and look how well that turned out. Obama and Democrats are trying to force this stuff on the people so fast. The same people who were critical of Bush for going into Iraq so fast are now using the same strategy on healthcare. I guess it's politics as usual.

reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 12:22 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

reply to post by Kords21

It really is politics as usual and the old addage "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

There is an old saying to that "He who protest loudest is usually false (hiding something)"

When he kept saying "Elect me and not my opponent because I am not 4 more years of George Bush" he really was saying "Elect me, I am George Bush Jr's. junior!"

I really can't tell the two apart, and lets not forget that Bush tinkered with Medicaide and the Senior Drug Plan thing that had half the Senior Citizens up in arms when he was President and he basically forced it on them, and it took them the better part of a year once it was passed to figure out based on their medications and conditions if they need to be on option 1, 2, or 3.

People especially the elderly hate these Health Care issues, as many of them are entirely dependent on the Government for Health Care and many of them would die in short order with out their medicines and doctors.

It's really very important to the Elderly and the Handicapped and familes that have those with dissabilities.

reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 12:33 AM by Kords21

I'm a big supporter of Ron Paul and his ideas because they make sense to me on a lot of levels and it's definately different views than what either the Republicans and Democrats ever say. In an interview with Bill Maher Dr. Paul said that our foreign policy has had "unintended consequences". I think that's a term that's not really considered in DC today on bills. It's all about debating endlessly on a "problem" coming up with a quick fix that'll placate big business at the expense of the people.

I think this healthcare bill will have a lot of uninteded consequences and it won't be as apparent as the ones as US foreign policy have had. I've seen first hand the suffering and lives destroyed because of Bush's Iraq, but I think with Obamacare the suffering will be a lot more widespread and the gov't that they trusted to look after them and made sure they had the tools to make a good life for themselves and their family will have sold them up the river for 30 pieces of silver. How many advances in medicine will this bill stop or delay? How many Dr's will leave this country and/or never enter medical school?

The system we have now is not perfect by any stretch. Yes there are too many business who are only in it for the money. There is a need for real healthcare reform, but what Obama and the Democrats are proposing is a nightmare and I think it'll stifle progress in research, degrade personal liberty and destroy lives.

reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 12:39 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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Ron Paul is a good man. I think he is one of the few honest people in Government and he would have made an excellent President.

It's a tough road for him to hoe nationally though because the main stream corporate media loves to give him sound bites now and then to whip up fear and controversy, but when it comes campaign time they pretty much just ignore him because he won't play ball with corporate America.

Since he is the only one who speaks common sense, and all his opponents have everyone used to accepting pure nonsense as being sense, his common sense comes across as corny nonsense to people who have no common sense.

I really don't want Government in Health Care, for seniors, for the poor, for the handicapped fine.

For everyone else, they should have more options, this is America and free enterprise and options is what America is about.

reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 12:45 AM by Kords21

I think Ron Paul did what he wanted to do in the campagin by getting his ideas/message out. There are a lot more people planning on running for congress in 2010 like his son Rand Paul and Peter Schiff. I think the ideas he talked about resonated with a lot more people than what the media will let on about. Even if Ron Paul had won the election his ideas would never see the light of day due to the congress being in the cluthces of the whole left/right paradigm.

Unless Obama and the Democrats change thier way of doing things and fast, I think you might see more candidates with similar views crop up. Both parties can only play the same song over and over before people start demandnig a different beat.

reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 12:52 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by Kords21
I think Ron Paul did what he wanted to do in the campagin by getting his ideas/message out. There are a lot more people planning on running for congress in 2010 like his son Rand Paul and Peter Schiff. I think the ideas he talked about resonated with a lot more people than what the media will let on about. Even if Ron Paul had won the election his ideas would never see the light of day due to the congress being in the cluthces of the whole left/right paradigm.

Unless Obama and the Democrats change thier way of doing things and fast, I think you might see more candidates with similar views crop up. Both parties can only play the same song over and over before people start demandnig a different beat.

Well the kids really liked Ron Paul a lot of them even more than Obama, even the liberal grunge rocker types in Seatlle thought Ron Paul was the coolest thing since sliced bread.

Had he actually run as a full on independent he could have taken a lot of the Youth and Independent Vote away from Obama.

He would have taken a lot of the conservative vote away from McCain though and it likely would have ended up like a repeat of the Bush Sr., Ross Perot, Bill Clinto ellection where Clinton won with only 42% of the vote. Only it would have probably been Obama winning with 42% of the vote. The unspoken and little mentioned reality is 90% of all Black registered voters voted for Obama. He had a lock on that huge segment of the population that just wasn't going to really not vote for him. It then really just takes about 10% of the non black population to put you over the top in a three way race.

I do believe that the kids who voted for Obama are unhappy now that they did and if Ron Paul could win the nomination in 2012 they would vote for him over Obama in a heartbeat.

reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 01:02 AM by Kords21

I think if the elections were held today, then Ron Paul could win very easily. I think in 2010 there's going to be a pseudo-third party movement. As the system stands now it's hard to run as an indepenendent and seriously expect to get anywhere. I think in order for a third-party to rise up it has to disquise itself as either Democrat/Republican and change the parties from within. I think that also means voting out these career politicians and getting people who aren't bought and paid for.

I think these policies that the current administration is trying to force on people will result in a political revolution and the elections in 2010 will determine if people are satisfied with the "change" they brought about and if it was a change that's more for the people. The next "Obama" the candidate that runs on flashy promises and then doesn't deliever is going to have so many problems, that both parties will have to pick their candidates very carefully.

As it stands now, the Democrats are making enemies of the people. On the right they're trying to label them as everything under the sun. As far as their on base goes, the more promises they break and the more "bushlike" Obama is their base will drop them pretty fast, except for the hard core kool-aid drinkers.

Back on topic though, Obama's white house is probably trying to find 12 people who still fall for his con game. Good luck trying to find 12 million to staff his Baghdad Bob operation of debunking his health care proposals.

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