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U.S. Commander Warns Taliban Getting Stronger

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posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by CanadianDream420

Either way. This is only stirring up more, future, "terrorists"....
So, I can't see America/NATO leaving the Middle East ever.

EVER.



Understand what is really going on!



Central Asia The oil reserves there shrink the gulf states to nothing. It will be the flash point of the future.

Undoubtedly Central Asia’s strategic importance in international affairs
is growing. The rivalries among Russia, China, United States, Iran, India,
and Pakistan not to mention the ever-changing pattern of relations among
local states (five former Soviet republics and Afghanistan) make the region’s
importance obviously clear. Central Asia's strategic importance for Washington, Moscow, and Beijing varies with each nation’s perception of its strategic interests.

Washington focuses primarily on Central Asia as an important theater in the war on terrorism. Additionally, it is viewed as a theater where America might counter a revived Russia or China, or a place to blunt any extension of Iranian influence. Moscow and Beijing view the region as a vital locale for defending critical domestic interests. This asymmetry of interest is




If you look closely at the above map you will notice the surrounding countries. Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Russia, China, and Pakistan. Both Iran and Pakistan are in "Play" We need our bad guys the "Taliban" back in the game. They tend to be pretty smart they don't want to hang around Afghanistan they tend to die there so they go back home to Pakistan.

Following me so far?

Pakistan pushes them back across the border so we can have our "Enemy". So we can still have an excuse to be in the Region.

China gets a huge chunk of it's oil from Iran. We are in Iraq and Afghanistan. China is desperate for oil.... Iran supplies that oil! It has supported their economic boom. Without it their boom goes bust.
It seems a great way to keep in check the power that holds most of Americas dept. Wouldn't you agree?


And they know it!



The fight with the "Taliban" is not supposed to end. It's an excuse to be in the region to be a player in the future of central Asia. Think of Good Cop/Bad Cop

Bush- Bad Cop!
Comes in through the front door guns a blazing. We are here to fight Terrorism! We take Iraq and invade Afghanistan.

Obama- Good Cop!
He will fix everything, Works all the back door channels. We stay in the region. Iraq war is pretty much over except for the occasional bombings. Doesn't really matter to us because they are mostly killing themselves. "HURRAY for Democracy"
We increase our numbers in Afghanistan and decrease our numbers in Iraq.


The New Great Game


Following me so far?

Russia needs the oil reserves in the region to either stop or have very low production rates.

WHY?

Because they will be in direct competition with the future oil producers in that region! Russia's economy is desperate for the oil revenues. Apparently Communism was a flop! That's why. So that's their "Piece" in the "Game"

China needs oil desperately in order to keep the growth cycle going!
So they go around the world making oil deals. Venezuela Anybody?

WHY?

Otherwise despite "Pop culture" view that China is the new world power their economy grinds to a halt without oil. That's Why! So that's their "Piece" in the "Game"


The US will be a player like it or not We are the only ones with the means to reach around the world and touch somebody! That's our "Piece" in the "Game"

They are all unhappy especially Iran about having the US in their collective backyards and they all know they cant really do squat about it!

The games a foot.

Correct me if I'm wrong but who exactly was one of the first person Obama went to see early on in his "Presidency"


I've been sitting here for days, weeks and months watching the headlines and reading everybody's responses here at ATS to this "action" or that "attack".

Whose to blame?

Was it the CIA, FSB, Mossad, The Iranians, The Chinese, The Taliban, Al Qaeda etc etc etc? Yadda Yadda Blah Blah Blah

The Answer is YES!

Understand what is really going on!

What about the present situation in Iran? Remember Chaos as you well know is always a good thing in the "Game" Whether they get overthrown or not is not really important, what is important is that we stay in the region AKA "The Game"

So please the next time you're on a thread and people start flinging accusations at each other over which country to blame or whose the favored "Super" power or "Up" Coming Global power understand that if you have a car and when you put your key in the ignition to drive to work, school, or to take little Timmy to baseball practice remember there is more in your tank than just GAS!




posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 12:46 PM
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BS. Why don't we invade Mexico? Why don't we invade North Korea? Why don't we invade a whole host of other countries that pose much more of a risk and harbor much bigger terrorist threats than Iraq and Afghanistan? Keep drinking the kool aid kid.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by CanadianDream420
 


BS. Why don't we invade Mexico? Why don't we invade North Korea? Why don't we invade a whole host of other countries that pose much more of a risk and harbor much bigger terrorist threats than Iraq and Afghanistan? Keep drinking the kool aid kid.


You really think I was serious? The war in Iraq is not to steal oil, but to call Dibbs on it, in American $ of course.

btw, they only poison American drinking water. I go down to the river with my Brita everyday, anyways



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 12:56 PM
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The war in Afghanistan isn't even a war. The USA is murdering people with high tech military equiptment and pretending they are fighting a war. They aren't fighting a military, there is no objective to be achieved.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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Please people how can we win in Afghanistan when Russia was beat by them? The Russians were never known for their kindness in battle. They used poison gas and alot of other nasty tactics and it did nothing! American and NATO troops are hamstrung by rules of engagement, wars are not won by playing nice.
When I was a kid I read my fathers Soldier of Fortune magazine and being the 80's a majority of the stories were about Afghanistan. Back then very few Americans knew anything about it, in typical fashion if it isn't being spoon fed by the media no one knows or cares! Twenty years later the American people think they will get a video game victory. Sorry bombing the country side will accomplish next to nothing. The war has to be fought low tech because it is the only way to guarantee victory. If the media was a bit less judgmental of the military and let them do their job the right way,we might have a easier time! And don't act like the Taliban are not guilty of atrocities, the vile acts of both sides are a part of war. Not saying it's right but save the moral judgments till after the war is over. War is not humanity at its best and trying to put any kind of morality to it is impossible. To win you must destroy the enemy and not leave anyone to start it back up as a grudge match !



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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For a better understanding of the situation I'll provide these links.

The New Great Game

Battle of the Titans: The New Great Game II

Iranian revolt explained.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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too funny considering Bush declared Afghnistan "won" in June of 2004.

Bush: Afghanistan is a victory over terrorism
www.cnn.com...





posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
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When was the last time a goat herding, Ak-47 toting Taliban insurgent exploded a bomb in our shopping malls?



Look, the Taliban can kiss my arse as far as I'm concerned. If I woke up tomorrow and we had bombed them out of existence, I would write in my diary "Nothing of any significance occurred today."


What are your thoughts as to why we are fighting them?



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 01:02 PM
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Wow that is quite a presentation there! Star for you on that bit! That should get it's own thread! I think you got a huge piece of the puzzle with it.

[edit on 10-8-2009 by hangedman13]



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 01:02 PM
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Whats up warren?

Yeah that is too funny. We'll never leave. Too much at stake. This isnt about winning the hearts and minds of the people. It's all about being in a position to have an influence on Central Asian resources.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by hangedman13
reply to post by SLAYER69
 


Wow that is quite a presentation there! Star for you on that bit! That should get it's own thread!


It is, I've provided some links in my follow up post on this thread.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 01:05 PM
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For starters you can read Slayer's post above concerning oil and economics.

You didn't answer the question........if you believe so much in the war why aren't you over there fighting? Why aren't you in the military?



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 01:07 PM
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OK, I'm going to go check these out.

Slayer is usually on point... and if I'm talking out my backside, I'll find out on those threads.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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Sounds like we are about to hit peak oil by the way all these players are acting. It's as if the last piece of pizza has been proclaimed in a room of stoners.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by HunkaHunka
 


For starters you can read Slayer's post above concerning oil and economics.

You didn't answer the question........if you believe so much in the war why aren't you over there fighting? Why aren't you in the military?


That is the common, failed argument I hear all the freaking time! After 9/11, I tried to enlist but was denied due to my age and my last name. I'm the last of my family name.

Because a person believes in the fight deosn't mean they have to be there fighting it! Support is as much valuable as time served!



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by cloakndagger
Sounds like we are about to hit peak oil by the way all these players are acting. It's as if the last piece of pizza has been proclaimed in a room of stoners.


Peak oil has nothing to do with it. They do, however, know the stakes for holding all the cards. That is why China is buying up land like it's nobodies business. To control their own energy reserves. This way, if the world tries to force others to become environmentally friendly, they can lift their proverbial nose at them and continue to pollute as they will.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 01:18 PM
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Slayer69, I enjoy your work and I am in agreement with you about an indefinite presence in central Asia. However, continuous carnage and violence isn't good for business. How are the oil and natural gas contractors going to set up shop without order. I don't think the Afghans will put up with a permanent American present in their country with seemingly no end to the violence and the poverty. I look at the "Great Game," as involving highly sophisticated parasites ie: US, Russia, and China sucking all the resources from the central Asian nations and leaving them with nothing.

Moreover, how long can these powers continue their pillaging before the jig is up? These people have been known to run outsiders out of their territories as long history has been recorded. They won't put up with it and they will do everything in their power to stifle any enterprise by foreign occupiers. I wouldn't sit idly and take the Afghans for granted. When that animal awakes look out Nato and any other nation that wants to take advantage of them. The conflict in Afghanistan could bring the US to it's knees if it isn't careful.


[edit on 10-8-2009 by Jakes51]



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 01:24 PM
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It's not at all a failed argument when our troops are doing 3, 4, and 5 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm sure the military would rather have HunkaHunka actually fighting or serving than "supporting at home".



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by St Vaast
reply to post by HunkaHunka
 



And where are you, exactly, right now ?

Posting from a cave 200 metres from an Afghani stronghold ?

Drinking your own urine and eating goat droppings, because you're an intrepid explorer/adventurer/soldier of fortune/US patriot ?

You're ready to tear out your jugular before they'll get a thing out of you ?

You're battle-hardened ? You can run all day in the blazing sun with a 30 pound pack on your back ? You can strip down your rifle and whip around in an instant and shoot the eye out of that crow 600 metres away, even with the sun in your eyes ? You've experienced hand to hand combat ?

Or, you're a plump, soft boy who does nothing more physical than pounding a keyboard from your folks' basement in between applying for jobs you're unqualified to do --- and playing armchair general, regurgitating 'tough talk' you plagiarised from computer games and getting yourself all excited with talk of 'injecting DNA' ?

No. No. Don't tell me. Don't even give me a hint. I know the answer already



Hrmmm... try a 37 year old veteran of the Bosnia-Herzegovina conflict who is self-employed.

I believe that qualifies me to have an opinion on the matter.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
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It's not at all a failed argument when our troops are doing 3, 4, and 5 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm sure the military would rather have HunkaHunka actually fighting or serving than "supporting at home".


And some, if not most have volunteered for additional tours!



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