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reply posted on 9-8-2009 @ 02:40 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Originally posted by RRconservative
reply to
post by dodadoom



To suggest that ATS has a bias towards Obama has nothing to do with hate.

I'm not sure it is a polical bias though. During the election you could not log onto ATS without Obama's smiling face asking for a donation. It was unavoidable, and the crackdown on political speech here on ATS coincided with his nomination by the Democrat party.

The OP makes a great point, but the point is concealed within a bias.



I really don't think any bias exists on the part of ATS itself.

At some point you do have to put the breaks on the politically charged rhetoric.

If cooler heads don't prevail, the next thing people will be openly calling for violence or attempting to organize violence and that really is the last thing an excellent source of information like ATS needs to sully itself with.

The site in my humble opinion is really about proving or disproving conspiracies.

A lot of these political discussions especially the left/right arguments rarely if ever speak to the conspiracy angles but rather just the party lines.

It then starts to boil down to Howard Dean said this; Rush Limbaugh said that...yawn.

Part of what the OP might be saying in a round about way, is people falling into this left/right trap and simply parroting party lines are kind of missing the whole conspiracy angle of ATS and in the process possibly falling prey to the main conspiracy a lot of us on ATS are trying to expose that the left and right both have the same Masters and the left and right only exist to create and foster arguments to shield and hide the real conspiracies possibly being carried out by Government and those involved with Government.

Personally I feel people who want to just engage in the left/right argument which is their right to do so, should be engaging in it on Bellow Top Secret, because there is no conspiracy related angle to the left/right argument, save the left is up to no good according to the right, and the right is up to no good according to the left, while both those in the left and right camps imagine that nothing untoward or conspiracy oriented could be going on in their affiliated party.

It's true that a lot of the conspiracy theories are far fetched and hard to prove and based often on pure conjecture and assumption but that's what makes ATS fun!

The left/right party lines are actually kind of boring in my humble opinion and if you want to see a debate between the left and right solely based on party line I think getting two TV's and keeping one on CNN and one on FOX would cover all those angles.

Ultimately anyone seriously into conspiracy theories is never going to fall for or accept any party line or party argument.

People who subscribe to the left really aren't going to hop on over to the right no matter what you say or how you say it.

People who subscribe to the right aren't really going to hop on over to the left no matter what you say or how you say it.

The left and right basically just exist to argue with each other about the left and right on half the issue, because the government never really ever discloses the whole issue or the agenda for you to argue about.

They work on that, while the left and right argue with each other.

It's great if you have conservative values and you enjoy them.

It's great if you have liberal values and you enjoy them.

Being uncivil about one's values and ramming them down other peoples throats rudely...not so great!

It's still a conspiracy site though that encompasses a lot more than partisan politics and the fact that there are some presumably conspiracy related partisan politics discussed shouldn't turn the site into a counter productive slug fest between left and right talking points and propaganda.


reply posted on 9-8-2009 @ 02:43 PM by jsobecky
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



(2) Alterations of a politicians name for disparaging political effect is not allowed, including within member avatars and signatures.


Does this apply only to politicians, or does it extend across the board? For example, calling Rush Limbaugh "mush loosebowels", which I see a lot of.

Also, I'm interested in seeing the effect on avvies...



reply posted on 9-8-2009 @ 02:47 PM by Majic
Meet The New Troll, Same As The Old Troll

There's absolutely nothing new about trolling being unwelcome on ATS.

Political trolling (aka "p-troll") warnings first appeared years ago, during the Bush administration. The criteria for issuing them have always been clear and are independent of the specific opinions expressed, as are the
terms & conditions upon which they are based.

Additionally, the owners and staff have been calling for civility and decorum in all forums since long before many of us were members.

The only thing new about this particular call to sanity is that it comes in response to the latest wave of madness.

Members who are inclined to view the enforcement of our longstanding rules on courtesy as reflecting some sort of bias should consider that nothing in any of our policies is based on any member's opinions on the issues.

Specifically, whether posts are pro- or con- the current administration has absolutely nothing to do with whether they comply with ATS rules for civility.

Members who observe violations of our rules are encouraged to ALERT offending posts, regardless of what political affiliations may be expressed.

For anyone who may have missed the numerous related threads on this stubborn, perennial problem, please review the following links.



Related Threads

Civility and Decorum are Required

Civility And Decorum Are Required on AboveTopSecret.com

A Call To Action: Ending The Political Game on ATS

The Quadrennial Exploitation Of The Moronic Masses

New Policies for Political Bickering on ATS ## MAKE IT STOP! ##

The End of Political Baiting and Sniping on ATS

Related Topics

How Not To Be Banned From ATS...

Trolling, And What To Do About It

Ad Hominem Attacks And You

Courtesy Is Mandatory


Seriously, folks. This is nothing new, and anyone who truly believes our longstanding policies against rude, disruptive behavior are somehow motivated by political bias on the part of over sixty staff members (with varying perspectives on pretty much everything) can only do so in ignorance of the facts.

So please, Deny Ignorance and help us ensure that ATS remains a place where members can politely share their opinions on the issues, however controversial they may be, without being attacked, harassed or ridiculed for doing so.

Thanks.


reply posted on 9-8-2009 @ 03:08 PM by Kellter
reply to post by Stormdancer777



I'm pretty sure that was made before the announcement just like this thread.


Why I am tired of Idiots supporting the current Healthcare Bill

i feel so sorry for the mods on this one. And in other cases this mostly occurred during election time. I have a bad feeling about this though, there is no end in sight.



reply posted on 9-8-2009 @ 03:09 PM by FredT
reply to post by Stormdancer777



The issue is actually under discussion by the staff and will be resolved soon.


reply posted on 9-8-2009 @ 03:10 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by whaaa





Not entirely true. I have been physically threatened in U2Us many times.


I have gotten a couple of nasty U2Us but I just ignore them, and don't respond. I don't think they are really credible threats because most people intent on violence wouldn't create an electronically documented trail for investigators.

It's just people showing frustration that their arguments and points aren't being received well.

Most people like that end up banned within a short period of time because the staff really does do an excellent job at monitoring the threads.

I can say this that the two people who are most diametrically opposed to my opinions and views on this site (very credible and worthy debaters of the most impressive ilk) are on my friends list.

We exchange friendly U2Us from time to time because we respect and admire the depth of conviction and passion and knowledge we each put into our debates.

We agree on almost nothing except that we admire each others intelligence and skill at debating the issues.

The reality is there really is no reason not to get along or be friendly and friends with people who have different perspectives, beliefs and views.

In fact it's an excellence source of balance and additional perspective in life.

Opposites do attract and it's a fine line that separates hate and love that can turn on a dime.

They are both powerful emotions stemming from basically the same area of the mind which is why we often love to hate to things that people we love do despite the fact we love them.

You can attract more flies with honey than vinegar that's for sure.


reply posted on 9-8-2009 @ 03:13 PM by DrMattMaddix
reply to post by Stormdancer777



There's another one now ... It's the other side of the coin.

Why I'm Tired of Idiots Opposed to Health Care Reform

Maybe they are letting these two counterpoints burn themselves out.

I'm all for thick skinned political rhetoric without name calling. Point and counterpoint. That's debate. Cleverly crafted insults are appreciated by all.




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reply posted on 9-8-2009 @ 03:15 PM by FredT
reply to post by DrMattMaddix



The titles in question have been fixed. When the staff takes action, there is always a discussion beforehand and that is what was going on in this case. Yes they were posted before this thread but, they still would have been altered regardless.



reply posted on 9-8-2009 @ 03:16 PM by schrodingers dog
reply to post by FredT



Well done ...

That's why you guys get paid the big bucks.
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