Russia Holds US Humvees as Trophies

Excellent, all is going according to plan!

Step 1: Create a vehicle capable to draining an entire nation of it's oil reserves in a matter of DAYS. Call it a "Humvee".

Step 2: "Allow" the Russians to "capture" American "Humvees"

Step 3: Wait...

Step 4: PROFIT

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones

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The Russian Propaganda War Rages On

So... not only me who thinks that the Russian media are going over the top with this.





Well at least Lavrov was honest for once. And the information held onto by the general... puhhleeassee... it's as ridiculous as the claims of captured Israeli and American troops. Yeah Russian's hold onto supposed information and expects us to believe their stories! Fools! And repetitive fools as well!

[edit on 10-8-2009 by john124]

hahaha, I have no reason to argue with you because I know the facts and the more I talk about them, the stronger you'll push your defense mechanism to hide away from truth. In this world, there is no right path and no perfect path. There are just paths and the path that you end up on is up to you. If you keep believing in the same path, then you'll end up only in circles. I used to be like that, then I grew a pair and now the world is a much easier place to understand.

I'm with my comrade Dimitri here. America could nuke Australia and spin it as a preemptive strike to foil the future Australian conquest of Hawaii... and people would believe it.

Russia did the right thing and if they captured a few Humvees, well that's how war goes, I don't remember the Germans getting any tanks back.

America is OK - they saved the fuel it takes to run 4 Hummers for a year... That could probably have a hundred soccer mums doing the school run in SUV's for 5 years!

Any ways the armed forces of countries all over the world abandon kit all the time - a chopper comes down in the wrong place and squaddies typically stick some high explosive in it and take cover so as to deny the enemy.

What were the exact cirmstances that the vehicles fell into the russians hands? I'm not talking politics here, just like what did the yanks have them parked the wrong way and it was quicker to bug out on foot? Or did they run out of gas! That would be funny!

Maybe some Sargent got a new hole ripped for not wasting the Hummers with hand grenades or something.

Hmmm if you have the facts that don't agree with my analysis, then I presume you have proof, or have seen proof. What have you seen?

The Russian's seem unwilling to provide such proof, therefore only validating my assertion that they are talking out of their arse with lies and propaganda. Oh the Russian's claim a lot, and even come out with more claims 1 year later that they somehow forgot before.

Farcical leadership going on in the Kremlin indeed. Much like yourself really.... are you part of the Russian Federation maybe?!

I put it to you that it is a failure of Russian PR and leadership by not being able to provide the evidence or proof of Georgian aggression before Russian aggression.

And this whole path nonsense you are going about makes about as much sense as the Russian propaganda. Oh you're probably part of it so actually it does make sense

And you are going round in circles like a Russian propaganda parrot. Keep providing the entertainment.

As Sergei Ivanov says on newsnight last year: "We don't have tanks in S.Ossetia"

"Are you sure?" says Paxman.

"we err yes we have tanks in S.Ossetia... err yess yess they are peacekeepers, yes that's what they are peacekeepers" says Ivanov.

"What about reports of tanks raiding the port town of Poti, and sinking Georgian vessels?!" says Paxman.

"NO! We do not do such a thing... we are peacekeepers... we are here to protect russian citizens" says Ivanov.

"Hmmm. Mr Ivanov. I put it to you we have videos of Russian troops sinking georgian vessels and towing away American Humvees!" says paxman.

"(curses in background....)nobody told me about that" whispers Ivanov.

"Are you still there Mr. Ivanov" asks paxman.

"Yes we are here.... all we can say is Russian troops from Russian federation are on peacekeeping mission" snarls Ivanov.

"Inside of Georgia proper??? what peacekeeping activities are needed there?" asks paxman.

And the cycle of absurdity from the Russian Kremlin goes on and on and on.....

Oh and are the Russian kremlin going to take down ATS with denial of service attacks because somebody wrote a disagreeing blog?

Well no... because most people here believe the Russians. Again that is hilarious!!!!!

[edit on 10-8-2009 by john124]

I just thought I'd throw this one in on this thread (not trying to derail of course... I just didn't think that it warranted a thread of it's own)

linky poos

I just thought it was funny given the topic

Hahahaahaaa hilarious!!! Get in!!! I'll have one comrade send me one over, actually make it 2 I can spare £6!!!

The Russian's make me laugh so hard my sides are almost splitting. It's your find, well done!

Make a thread about it mate, before somebody else does.

I wonder if the US or Georgia or Ukraine, or even Israel bought these on the black-market just to show who's boss!!


[edit on 10-8-2009 by john124]

reply to post by john124

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Ahh you can have it... There's enough Ivan to go round!

This was specifically designed as a ploy by the U.S. Gov to destroy Russia.

How you ask?

Give them 4 humvees and they eventually end up spending their whole Government surplus on gas bills just for those alone, draining the whole Russian economy.

Smart move

Considering the US is phasing out the Hummer fleet with the JLTV, why don't we just offer to sell them to the Russians rather than they start a war to get themselves some.

the georgians are still the aggressors in that case, they fired the first shots. although i do believe that was a whole military operation that was US backed. i mean just look at the coverage within hours of the attacks. every news agency had the same story.
then u find out were putting a missile base there. also i have a couple friends who were stationed in georgia prior to the attack on S ossetia who confirmed a buildup of us troops prior to this happening. Then the ukraine got in the mix and tried to default on its contracts with russia. now the black sea is russias main port during the winter cause most of russia is locked by ice at that year. all in all russia got punched in the face from all sides at once.

Ain't it the truth. Russia has been ganged up on in its entire history and it still prevails with actions, not by crying like a baby and picking fights with ragtag insurgents (Chechens are elite compared to Taliban).

I say why argue when Russia clearly shows how to prevail in terms of survival of the fittest.

@johnny- Me? Russian Federation? Maybe in my past life, now I'm just a young philosopher with ties to some crazy euphoric spiritualism. Military analysis is just my hobby... for now.

[edit on 10-8-2009 by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi]

I'll have to comment on the general stupid nature of whining over 4 hummers. The US govt. does waste tremendous amounts of tax payers dollars.

I don't think the people in here, or on ATS shouting US/Israeli/EU supremacy have fully researched the entire spectrum of resources on the subject.

No doubt with the Western MSM trumpets blowing at full speed ahead in regards to war with Russia/Iran/and all other countries that go with that we will soon be in a war.

We will really see losses on a scale previously not known.

OH THE HUMANITY

However will poor American taxpayers cope with the tremendous loss to Pentagon's balance sheets of several HUMVEES? Just think about it - as much as a hundred thousand dollars lost to evil Russia.

Forget the hundreds of millions of dollars US provided to arm Saakashvili's regime, which were all pretty much wasted when he started the South Ossetia War by attacking a civilian city and headquarters of peacekeepers mandated by UN. Forget the tens of millions of dollars worth of training and military advice offered to Saakashvili just prior to his aggressive endeavor.

NO - those millions were well spent. They enabled a little flourishing brave "democracy" (with a leader who came to power through a coup and represses all opposition) to rain down artillery shells on a civilian city without any prior warning. Those millions did their job in paving the way for Georgia to kill over a dozen Russian peacekeepers stationed in Tskhinvali by a UN mandate.



Instead of questioning why the US spend hundreds of millions (and upwards of over a billion $) to fund a dictator labeled by an EU commission as the "aggressor" in the August War, US will raise a stink about no more than a hundred thousand dollars worth of trucks.




How about this - hundreds of innocent people lost their lives, and tens of thousands were displaced, because of a maniac US-sponsored puppet. Go to Tskhinvalli and ask the locals who managed to survive how they feel about you precious HUMVEES.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There you go. An original thread on the war - documenting the actual timeline of events. Russian tanks were first reported to enter the tunnel around 10 am on August 8th, which is about 12 hours after Georgia shelled Tskhinvali and itself announced that it is launching an attack on South Ossetia.




And where is Georgia keeping this evidence? Or did Saakashvili eat it, mistaking it for a tie?




Will you be willing to state that on the basis of any actual facts?





Because no one except Russia has a propaganda strategy right?

How is the search for the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq going by the way?




Do you care for me to site some of the fatality figures thrown around in the US during 9/11? Some innitial ones were upwards of 20,000. All that proves is that chaos may lead to indefinite figures.




Ok - so if Russians "took over" Poti, care to explain why they are not there now? Or why they were no there even in September of last year?





Were the lives of civilians in Tskhinvali Saakashvili's to take? Was Iraq America's to take? Boo hoo - the US flushed down hundreds of billions of dollars on the Iraq War. How much of a dent does several HUMVEES make on your budget?




All they need is Pentagon's backing. And Biden seemed to be cuddling up with Saakashvili on his recent visit.





Why does US insists that Iran and Syria must not arm themselves? Meanwhile Iran and Syria started no wars for decades, and Georgia started a war last year. Hypocrisy? Couldn't be.




They allowed monitors on the border. Monitors are no allowed inside, because the said monitors refuse to recognize South Ossetia's independence.




How many Americans are exposed to Russian media? 2%? 1%? And how many are exposed to Western Media - which proved to be no less biased during the conflict?




No. Care to provide a reliable source for that info?

Did you know the history of Georgia and its borders, and why its king asked to become part of Russian Empire hundreds of years ago?




Then explain why Russia did not invade Georgia during last year's war. it had the capability to do so, and US demonstrated unwillingness to directly interfere.




Have you watched Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, BBC etc? Amazingly they show no bias what so ever, and are never selective in which news they report and which they leave out.





Of course not. They should have more coverage of Michael Jackson's death. In fact they should dedicate a whole week to coverage on Michael Jackson's death - taking the example of their Western media counterparts.


[edit on 10-8-2009 by maloy]

The JLTV's look more sturdy.

Why not paint a hummer's pink like these:

lib.store.yahoo.net...

thecarloos.files.wordpress.com...


And send 'em to Putin as a gift!

reply to post by maloy

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Took over for a few days is still an invasion deep within georgia proper.



Russia Today still shows vides today of S.Ossetian's claiming that 1,500 were killed! Yes that is propaganda!



Not my country's budget.... I'm British.

It's not the value of what is stolen that is at dispute, it's still stealing whatever it may be - boots or humvees.

I don't expect the teeny tiny losses to affect anybody at all.... Russia gives us all a laugh when they proclaim them as trophies, and that is enough in return.

I heard 4 mig-31 jets got sold for £6. More embarrassment coming out of Russia.

Sergei Ivanov couldn't even admit Russia had peacekeepers inside S.Ossetia 2 days after the war started for the majority of the interview with the BBC. I really really want to believe the Russian story has credibility, but their own actions in the media lead me to realise that they don't.



Well I hope this is wrong because it's not worth one more person dying over a piece of land. We are where we are regardless of our disagreements on how we got here.



That's an easy one... sales of arms to terrorist groups such as hezbollah. Iran does enough harm to it's own people and to Israel thru' hamas and hezbollah, they don't need to attack another country directly.



How can the EU ever recognise S.Ossetia's independence with Russian occupation there, and without letting EU monitors inside? Cooperation works both ways. And without these monitors, we can just accept Russia's word on the activities inside S.Ossetia.



Erm... Russia did invade half of Georgia proper. And don't forget the Georgian army was in a defensive position around Tbilisi. And President Sarkozy did a good job brokering a cease-fire and for all Russian troops to leave Georgia proper.



Yes of course they do to some extent... but apart from Fox news maybe, Russia Today is much more extreme and comparable with Iranian state TV and Iranian Press TV. Those are all entirely propaganda based and full of bull#.



Haha that was funny.... I did not say follow the stories of western media. What I would expect is some domestic news and politics. You know about Russia itself, after all that's what the channel is called - not S.Ossetia TV!!!

You know why they don't??!! It's because it's state run propaganda and it won't ever dare show news stories that the kremlin does not authorise, and it definitely will not criticise the kremlin whatsoever.

British news media are always criticising politicians. I don't see that in Russian media, and I know it's not because they are perfect!

Anyway thanks for very for asking easy questions!!!

Oh and before I go here's some less biased news on S.Ossetia:

www.telegraph.co.uk...

key summary: Russian's arm S.Ossetian militia's.

Drunken militia's and russian's cause trouble and start a war.

Georgia are forced to fire back, and re-take S.Ossetia.

Russia sends in more reinforcements. Russia re-takes S.Ossetia and Russian airstrikes in S.Ossetia and Georgia unnecessarily kill the majority of civilians that are killed.

Militia's cause havoc and destruction in the region near S.Ossetia and Russian so-called peacekeepers arm them and back them up.

Russia invades Abkhazia.

Russia forces the georgian army to retreat back to Tblisi.

Militia's are left by the Russian army to roam and burn down georgian villages.

Russian troops invade half of georgia proper, they trash & steal whatever they want like the violent thugs they are.

Russian troops only retreat after days of negotiating between the EU president and Medvedev.

And russian soldiers as far S.West as Poti who weren't officially called peacekeepers even by their own govt. became peacekeepers from their govt's perspective by wearing an armband with the words "peacekeeper" written on it. So Russia doesn't distinguish peacekeeper or aggressive soldier even themselves, so how are we supposed to. And their actions certainly show they are aggressive.

Up to the present day, Russia has broken the ceasefire and agreements put in place from last year according to the EUMM. Georgia have not according to the EUMM.

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Ya huh. But sending American support to Georgia wasn't an act of war?!



So Saddam's golden Dragunovs and beautiful palaces et al will be returned to his family in due time right... or were most of them killed? I forget. Im sure you guys did not take any katanas from the Japanese either right? Or Lugers from the Germans..?

Because Russia were the aggressors, and even if they weren't you said it yourself that sending equipment to Georgia is not an act of war, and loaned equipment are not legitimate war prizes.

Anyway who cares?? I don't..... the main point is the ridiculous nature of declaring them war trophies like they are priceless artifacts, and not production line machines that aren't in any way unique.

[edit on 11-8-2009 by john124]