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Is England going to self destruct...?

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posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 12:47 PM
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ARe the rothschilds freemasons ? Is this all to do with that too ?




posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 12:52 PM
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From were im sitting England is just fine.
We still have the same usuall crap like anti social idiots, stabbings and the odd shooting but nothing like a revolution.
Guys were you getting your info from its same old same old here.

Its the main stream media that project this doom gloom in England. Apart from the so called credit crunch - not that iv noticed much of a crunch here apart from a few job losses and so on. England looks and Feels fine and dandy to me.

Ignore MSM its a fear generator.



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
reply to post by LiveForever8
 


This is the worst news I've had all morning. I hope something turns around for England. It would be such a shame to lose this great country.



Don't you worry. England isn't going anywhere... Okay a lot of us are dumbed down by #e tv, but a lot of us are still thinking, we may be pacified for now, but that doesn't mean we are comfortable.



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 12:55 PM
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Revolution with who exactly?.
Goverment or a Race of people?



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 01:29 PM
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I believe they are, but it's not about being freemasons. My Dad was a freemason, and he was only interested in studying the practice, and studying the occult. There are many types of freemason groups.

It's just about the Rotschilds powerful position in the world over the past 200 years...

If you'd like further information on them, please let me know. You can find plenty about them on Google, Youtube etc. They are the true answer to what we should know about the ruling elite, as they are the reason for the type of economy we live in now, and have been living in since the days of Mozart and Beethoven and before.



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 01:29 PM
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Bank of England "Rothchild" just pumped 84Billion Pounds or Dollars into UK Economy... how many britians are there divided by 84B equals.. ? you all should be rich...

source CNN

[edit on 9-8-2009 by BornPatriot]



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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I think it's time to not only thank the Bank of England, but also to thank Lord Peter Mandelson for trying to rescue the car industry, so here's an article from the Mirror that I also found earlier today in the Independent:



Lord Mandelson flies back from his Corfu holiday tomorrow to make saving Britain's car industry his top priority as stand-in PM.

The Business Secretary takes over from Labour's deputy leader Harriet Harman,who flew to Italy on Thursday for her holiday.

But Lord Mandelson is determined to show he is in charge, with a raft of measures to help the car industry.

He hopes to cement a new deal to save car giant Vauxhall and will reveal details of the huge success of the car scrappage scheme.

Last night, a source close to Lord Mandelson said: "Peter's top priority will be helping the car industry and small businesses emerge from the recession." He will warn potential car buyers that "time is running out" to snap up the £2,000 discounts on offer under the car scrappage scheme.

Under the £300million plan which started in May, the Government and carmakers each give buyers £1,000 off the price of a new motor - provided the buyer trades in a car which is at least 10 years old.

The deal covers 300,000 new cars - with 150,000 already having been sold.


Look at him sitting at the steering wheel grinning like a little boy! Good job Mandelson! 150,000 cars sold and more to come! Let's give him some praise!
Who bought those cars? I guess there are still 150,000 people with money in the UK...how many MPs are there to start off with?



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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Before my laptop battery dies, please read the following about the MPs extravagant income:

Times Online



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 01:48 PM
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I don't think the unemployed or the sick think Enland is fine and dandy.

As well as trying to push two thirds of the sick and disabled on to ESA and cutting their money at a stroke they also intend reducing payments to those that survive their interrogation by ATOS by getting rid of DLA payments and AA payments by stealth and making people less financially independant by handing the money over to local authorities.

Join the protest movement

www.benefitsandwork.co.uk...

www.davidicke.com...

Remember a society demonstrates how strong it is by how it treats its weakest members and at the rate the UK is going we are all reverting to barbarians.

[edit on 9-8-2009 by keldas]



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by mattymatty78
reply to post by MightyAl
 


ARe the rothschilds freemasons ? Is this all to do with that too ?


The Rotschilds are a Jewish banking family, pure and simple:
www.youtube.com...

Oh, the irony of using that link. Just couldn't resist it! But really, it's all rather objective and matter of fact.


Now, can anyone enlighten me what's up with Britain in this thread? I don't really get it. Sure, Britain is being overwhelmed by cocky, self confident and hateful Muslims "demanding respect" as well as committing collective suicide by multicultural insanity, but we all knew that. Nor is it very unique for Britain among European countries to behave in the manner described.

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posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by Tussilago

Originally posted by mattymatty78
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Sure, Britain is being overwhelmed by cocky, self confident and hateful Muslims "demanding respect" as well as committing collective suicide by multicultural insanity, but we all knew that. Nor is it very unique for Britain among European countries to behave in the manner described.




True. But perhaps the difference lies in motivation.

[edit on 8/9/0909 by ladyinwaiting]



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 11:06 PM
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Back to the interesting connection between Labour and the Tories.

Labour Lord Peter Mandelson was hanging out with Conservative George Osborne in Corfu last year, which resulted in a disaster when Osborne told the media that Mandelson had "dripped poison" in his ear about Gordon Brown's incompetence.

Ever since then, they've been enemies still accusing each other for this and that now.

But how much do they really sincerely disagree with each other's views if they already chose to hang out with each other in Corfu last year with the Rothschild's and some Russian billionaire on his yacht?

Is it all just a set up for the people of England to still believe there's a difference between the Tories and Labour? Don't they all have equally bad intentions?

The following article was found in the Telegraph last night:



Tories pledge to block law allowing Lord Mandelson to return to Commons

The Conservatives have pledged to try to block a new law that could allow Lord Mandelson to return to the House of Commons and seek the Labour leadership.


Right, so since Mr. George Osborne and Mr. David Cameron are pulling the torie strings, either Osborne really doesn't like Mandy anymore, or it's all just set up that Mandy is aware of and is just playing along with.

After all, they are all Bilderberg and Rothschild buddies, right? Or did I miss something here?



And what does Labour dislike about the Tories? Oh yeah, the following was reported today on Times Online:



Labour, meanwhile, seized on a report that the Tories were actively considering a plan to raise VAT to 20 per cent if they won the election.

The Tories strongly opposed last year Mr Darling’s temporary cut in the rate of VAT from 17.5 per cent to 15 per cent.


As Paul McCartney once put it "We all stand together!"

The same goes for America. Republicans? Democrats? Aren't they both following the same agenda? They have a different way of sending the same message to the people. Bush talked directly, Obama beats around the bush, but both support war etc.

I love the following image. Imagine it being used for Labour and Tories:




posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 12:08 AM
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It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money. Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!

-Oliver Cromwell on disolution of parliment after 1st Revolution


Pretty sure the speech could be used today at our politicians and still run true



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 03:50 AM
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Is England going to self destruct?

No England is not. England is a sick patient suffering from a terminal illness, strapped to an oxygen machine, trying to stave off death. It's just going to quiver and die.
There are so many new laws being pushed through, that no-one knows whats legal and what isn't. Obviously we know what is illegal because you get arrested for it or a letter through your door with a bill attached to it telling you you've just been fined for it. So what is legal any more?
Walking down the street? Not anymore. That became apparent in the recent disturbances in London.
How about sitting at home? There was debate recently about allowing people to smoke in council houses as this is technically council property, which have zero tolerance smoke rules.
Sit still and watch TV? As long as you have the right license, but quite soon analogue TV gets turned off, and with the digital, they'll actually be able to monitor what you're watching.

Want to see how England is choking to death?
news.bbc.co.uk...
www.dailymail.co.uk...
news.bbc.co.uk...
www.dailymail.co.uk...

So would a revolution help? Despite what the revolutionists claim, no. You change one master for another.
Whats best then? Vote out one party to have another party in? All parties are corrupt. Those that say they're not just haven't been found out yet
How about becoming a politician and changing it from the inside? It's a possibility, but then you're fighting people who don't want it to change, or to make it better for themselves. Then to get to the top, you need allies who have their own agenda. You've got to keep these allies or they'll pull support from you instantly.
You have a voice! You can protest!
video.yahoo.com...

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posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 04:58 AM
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posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by Daisy-Lolamoke rules.

So would a revolution help? Despite what the revolutionists claim, no. You change one master for another.

How about becoming a politician and changing it from the inside? It's a possibility, but then you're fighting people who don't want it to change, or to make it better for themselves. Then to get to the top, you need allies who have their own agenda. You've got to keep these allies or they'll pull support from you instantly.
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*edit*Swapping one master for another would only be bad if that master is bad, it would work if he was good and cared about the people.*edit*
Well actually, revolution would work if the leader is good. you say revolution will not work and then you say becoming a politician and getting to the top is too hard.
Well if you become that revolutionary leader then it could work. You would have to closely watch who is supporting the revolution and is trying to push it through incase they have an agenda. Protesting will do nothing unless you reach the whole nation and awaken them.

Britain Prevails!


*edit* and im not talking about a republicanism/democracy/communism revolution as all 3 are absolutely pathetic and cancers of nations. The only system which would properly work is National Socialism in my opinion.





Liberalism glorified individuality, Marxism glorified humanity, but both ignored the people, National Socialism fanatically affirms the people. The first and deepest representatives of the people is that part that feeds people from the riches of the earth and thus provides for the continuation of the family of the nation



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posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 06:13 AM
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England will not self destruct, but the country as we know it will disappear, as will ireland and most other EU countries. The future of all European countries is a bit foggy at the moment because we, the Irish, who were the only people allowed to vote for lisbon voted NO.

It threw a bit of a spanner in the works, but believe me the next time around there will be a yes vote, this orchestrated recession has scared the Irish into believing that voting yes to lisbon can fix the problem, no matter what I tell them.

Change will happen quicker in the EU because of the lisbon treaty, that was its goal. Only time will tell now though.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 07:20 AM
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To the OP;

For clarification, do you mean England as a seperate nation, England as part of the UK or the UK as a whole?

The answer could well be different.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by fapython
[*edit*Swapping one master for another would only be bad if that master is bad, it would work if he was good and cared about the people.*edit*


How many revolutions has this actually worked successfully with?


Originally posted by fapython
Well actually, revolution would work if the leader is good. you say revolution will not work and then you say becoming a politician and getting to the top is too hard.
Well if you become that revolutionary leader then it could work. You would have to closely watch who is supporting the revolution and is trying to push it through incase they have an agenda. Protesting will do nothing unless you reach the whole nation and awaken them.

Britain Prevails!


Never said it was too hard, but the sponsorship will be provided with so many strings that even the best of hearts will be pulled down. Of all the politicians that come and go, how many get to stay in No10, and of those how many shook hands with the devil (metaphorically speaking) ?

At present errors are built on older errors. Laws built on older laws. All of them need to be erased, and new laws brought in, tight laws, no loop holes, no getting off because you're famous or you have a doctors note etc. Can that happen? Yes. Would it happen? Only after an extreme emergency that would render all older laws redundant

Personally I would remove House of Lords, which would prevent blockage from non-elected government officials. Remove the PC brigade and start from there for a clean up job. Both of these little f-ers are bogging the whole process in red tape and delays.
Legal professionals to create new laws, loop hole free, erasing older laws, and removing unnecessary un-repealed laws with one quick tick of a pen without debate. The only people who would be able to introduce these laws would be elected officials, elected by the people and subject to the public. Lawyers would then be again expected to defend their clients rather than seeing if they can weasel their way out. Judges would have to prove themselves capable instead of making ill-informed decisions

Would it work? Who knows! I'll say yes It'd be a start.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by CRB86
I know this is a popular opinion, but it is, in my experience, massively untrue. I'm not even sure what it means. I see no evidence of it in day-to-day life. Most of the stories posted on here about this subject are from the Daily Mail, a horrendous torrent of hatred and fear in print form. It amazes me that so many non-british people on here are so untrustworthy of mainstream media, yet swallow up anything they read on the Daily Mail website.


I'll second that.

The Mail is notorious for ramping up the drama. It gets used by those who want to paint something in a bad light, because it adds an air of credibility to their claims, but in actual fact things are not quite as bleak as they seem.

What people tend (deliberately) to forget is that its easy to take something unusual or bad and sensationalise it.

Don't get me wrong, things are far from perfect here, but as LiveForver said we're no worse off, or better off than any other country in the world at the moment.



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