Celante knows what he is talking about , I listen to him quite often on the Alex Jones show.......Great guy.

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Originally posted by RolandBrichter

Wow...

I think I know where you get this idea, it comes from Paul in the Book of Romans....

Romans 13:1-7 states: "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established.

Sorry, but Paul was a bogus wanna be apostle who supported slavery and whose sole intention was to completely distort the teachings of Jesus and start a new following that would help control the masses...he was very successful...

I don't recall hearing about Paul in that context...

However, many years ago while studying, I recall that there are many scholarly scholars that remind us to take the book of Romans with a grain of salt because they aren't in fact fully convinced that Paul wrote that book.

Sorry that I don't have a source and being a lazy Sunday afternoon I'm not going back into research 20 years old.

Take it for it's worth (likely nothing.) I still hold to read Romans light-heartedly.

Unfortunately there are far to many mainstream preachers that love quoting Romans. Too often, in my opinion. =\

No possible way there's going to be a "revolution" in this country any time soon. I hate to be condescending but the idea is laughable. In ten years, I very much doubt that I'm going to be saying "Wow! Did I ever have it wrong."

This nonsense is mostly a right wing fantasy -- they keep trying to create this idea that somehow we're all upset (I mean absolutely everybody) now that we have a liberal black president. And we have to "take back" the country, you know, "OUR" country (CODE: white corporation butt kissers)

Methinks they've been doing a little to much teabagging, but I see no harm in it. When conservatives talk about "revolution," I get a smile on my face and say, "Uh oh. we better watch out. We're in big trouble now. Those conservatives, gosh, they talk so TOUGH!!"

They're fun though. And when I get enough of them into a room, I love to say, in a hushed voice, "hey, you know, I think this country is teetering on the brink..."

I know. It's mean. I'm an arrogant jerk when I do that. But it's partly their fault for being so easy to set up -- for SO wanting rubbish to be true.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

I'm sorry, how was it factually distorted?

I didn't catch that.

First, the author sees fit to defend Obama at the outset....why?

Fox News [video] and wingnut sites like Alex Jones' Infowars, desperate to blame Obama for things he hasn't done yet, pounced on Celente's gloom-and-doom prognostications like a Doberman on a rump roast.

Then, the author quotes Celentes long term TREND FORECASTS and tries to turn them into failed preditions...

Voluntary simplicity, once merely a counterculture ideal, will finally become a reality in the twenty-first century. ....Moderation, self-discipline, and spiritual growth will be the personal goals of the future, not material accumulation. Such a stunningly accurate description of the Bush years.... NOT.

The trend to convert lawns into gardens will have a significant impact not only on the way we eat but also on how we live and feel. ....Billions of dollars formerly spent on lawn care will either be saved or re-deployed into producing fresh food. I was just thinking that as I waded through the succotash on my front lawn.... Just kidding. Do you know anyone who's farming on their front lawn? Home lawn care products and services have grown (ahem) at a steady rate throughout this decade.

Erm...yes these TRENDS are indeed happening now....and I could go on...

He just struck me as a typical overzealous Obama shill that wants to take selected truths and turn them around...



[edit on 9-8-2009 by RolandBrichter]

If you are happy and comfortable living on your knees then do whatever floats your boat...I on the other hand am tired of slavery...i prefer to live and die on my own two feet....end the fed and burn their playhouse down

Just to use this above post as an example, I'm quite baffled by this mindset. I don't think people have any real idea what REAL tyranny is. What REAL socialism, or slavery is. You are really a slave? To who?

I got the job I wanted to do, based on the money I wanted to make, the hours I wanted to work. If I so chose, I could not work, and live off the land. I could be a bum. I get up in the morning, decide if I want to go to work or not (usually a good idea though), read whatever paper I wanted or blogs, online, which may well have articles which speak out quite profusely against our government. Freedom of speech, alive and well.

I can work late, or not, my choice. I can go out after work, wherever I want. I have no curfew. On weekends I can pretty much drive my own vehicle wherever I want, do whatever I please, as long as it is within the confines of the law. I can fire guns. I can own guns. I can join a rally. I can protest politicians. I can do all this without being branded a traitor and thrown into jail.

We don't have a perfect country, but I'm about sick of hearing how much some people are "slaves," even though they have freedom of choice in almost all things. Where you go for medical care, what political agendas, in which you have a say, you support. What you read.... some countries would give their left eye to have the freedom to read whatever they want.

It's like jury duty. Most countries would kill for the right to be tried by a jury of their peers. It's not very common, and yet those that get the opportunity to perform on this jury complain and whine and do whatever they can to get out of it.

You are a slave on your knees? You really have no idea, do you. Are you forced to serve in the military, like many countries require? Do you have a curfew? Can you speak your mind? Do what you want? Yea.. you just have it so bad.

It's like many kids these day. Those 'emo' kids who feel abused because they are not allowed to do absolutely anything they want. It's like these emo kids are growing up, and posting crap like this, on sites like these.

You have no idea how good you have it. The poster that said that there is no point in a revolution, because too many would have too much to lose is right.

What.. credit is terrible? Your own fault. Can't afford your own home? Your own fault. Maybe if Americans actually lived within their means, instead of feeling they are entitled to absolutely everything, would put things more in perspective. Our country has issues, but that's no surprise. But even with all the problems we are facing right now, people here have more rights and freedoms than most countries in the world.

Originally posted by fleabit

If you are happy and comfortable living on your knees then do whatever floats your boat...I on the other hand am tired of slavery...i prefer to live and die on my own two feet....end the fed and burn their playhouse down

Just to use this above post as an example, I'm quite baffled by this mindset. I don't think people have any real idea what REAL tyranny is. What REAL socialism, or slavery is. You are really a slave? To who?

Like a frog in a slowly heated kettle, you won't feel the heat until you're boiled...you do realize that Americans fought the most powerful nation on earth (at that time) for as little as a stamp tax??? They had quite a bit of freedom back then, too....didn't they..


Look how far we've come since then....and now we're faced with an elite class of rulers, whose only goal is to line their pockets before anyone catches on...at your expense, I might add, and you are hunky dory with this?? Are you so naive that you really think anything is solved at the ballot box??

Some of us are not "Emo Kids".....This is about human liberty dammit, and NOT giving it up just to be somewhat comfortable....because doing so will ultimately lead us all to hell on earth...

Some of these posters sense this, and just because you are unable or unwilling to figure it out yourself you feel compelled to criticize it...

Your eyes will be opened, but it will probably be much too late for you, because if you can't see the point now, you probably never will..

I truly wish you the best of luck..

With a cursory review of Celante and the Trend Institutes accuracy, I believe it to be a reliable source to predict/prepare for what's to come.

I see a trend on ATS and many forums and message boards, even within MSM that the 'people are not happy'. We all agree and see that laws being passed and tent cities popping up are becoming an uncomfortable reality in the US. With crime going up and the very nature of our communities decline, nothing seems to be going in a favorable direction. We have the national debt going way beyond anything we can hope to pay back. Added to this arduous formula, a little something called Swine Flu. Everyone is quick to claim Revolution and to fight the man.

I know many will immediately disagree but we are already beaten. There have been posts concerning weather or not Military Troops would open fire on fellow citizens and people boycotting banks. To what end? I ask this because it all seems to be in the realm of fantasy. As in the movie Red Dawn, we don't have an easily identifiable enemy. You want to take down banks, and the Federal Reserve? Most people don't even know how banks work or that the Federal Reserve isn't even a Federal agency. We would be fighting amongst ourselves. The people would turn on one another once they get hungry enough. Friendships would be questioned when there is only a few pieces of bread left. When the delivery on demand system stops and store shelves run empty people will kill themselves just to escape the harsh reality of going hungry.

People depend too much on football season and fast-food, making their mortgage payment or in hopes of the hot new girl down in accounting wears that short skirt tomorrow. Everyone wants to be a hero, but they don't consider the consequences. You can't put down the PS3/Xbox360 controller and hop in bed and play the Revolution game when you wake up. Its not a walk in the park when your mom,dad and best friend die right in front of you.

And for your logical consideration; I say this with the complete respect, I think everyone here is speaking what they view as the truth but I welcome you to say it in public. People will saunter past you with smirks and looks of disapproval on their faces. Why...its because you would threaten their comfort zones. People may feel a certain way about what they see going on around them but in our modern society we are all nothing but social security numbers, without voice or cause. If you rock-the-boat in a fashion that draws real attention you will most likely be arrested. To simply protest requires a permit these days. In Denver protesters where beaten/gassed by police in the streets and this never made the news. Why... its because the movement for Governmental change is already beaten. The two party system as we all know as a sham is nothing more then the divide and conquer method used to put forth the illusion of choice. Public education, even what's taught in universities is nothing more than prepackaged intelligence. Prepackaged intelligence put in place to support the pecking order. From birth to death you have a roll in which modern America society uses and disposes of you to meet its own end. You all have the basic idea of ideal life. Enjoy childhood, get good grades, go to college, get a great job and have kids, work until retirement and leave your life's worth to your offspring. Anything outside that social paradigm and your viewed as a failure.

My point is - you cant change the way people think. You wont start a band of rebels to revolt against the giant that is American Government. You will be closed down or laughed at before you take even one step.

Spikes in crime and riots is the best you can hope for. Any organized movement will be closed down before it even gets started.



[edit on 9-8-2009 by Mr.Hyde]

Originally posted by fleabit

If you are happy and comfortable living on your knees then do whatever floats your boat...I on the other hand am tired of slavery...i prefer to live and die on my own two feet....end the fed and burn their playhouse down

Just to use this above post as an example, I'm quite baffled by this mindset. I don't think people have any real idea what REAL tyranny is. What REAL socialism, or slavery is. You are really a slave? To who?

I got the job I wanted to do, based on the money I wanted to make, the hours I wanted to work. If I so chose, I could not work, and live off the land. I could be a bum. I get up in the morning, decide if I want to go to work or not (usually a good idea though), read whatever paper I wanted or blogs, online, which may well have articles which speak out quite profusely against our government. Freedom of speech, alive and well.

I can work late, or not, my choice. I can go out after work, wherever I want. I have no curfew. On weekends I can pretty much drive my own vehicle wherever I want, do whatever I please, as long as it is within the confines of the law. I can fire guns. I can own guns. I can join a rally. I can protest politicians. I can do all this without being branded a traitor and thrown into jail.

We don't have a perfect country, but I'm about sick of hearing how much some people are "slaves," even though they have freedom of choice in almost all things. Where you go for medical care, what political agendas, in which you have a say, you support. What you read.... some countries would give their left eye to have the freedom to read whatever they want.

It's like jury duty. Most countries would kill for the right to be tried by a jury of their peers. It's not very common, and yet those that get the opportunity to perform on this jury complain and whine and do whatever they can to get out of it.

You are a slave on your knees? You really have no idea, do you. Are you forced to serve in the military, like many countries require? Do you have a curfew? Can you speak your mind? Do what you want? Yea.. you just have it so bad.

It's like many kids these day. Those 'emo' kids who feel abused because they are not allowed to do absolutely anything they want. It's like these emo kids are growing up, and posting crap like this, on sites like these.

You have no idea how good you have it. The poster that said that there is no point in a revolution, because too many would have too much to lose is right.

What.. credit is terrible? Your own fault. Can't afford your own home? Your own fault. Maybe if Americans actually lived within their means, instead of feeling they are entitled to absolutely everything, would put things more in perspective. Our country has issues, but that's no surprise. But even with all the problems we are facing right now, people here have more rights and freedoms than most countries in the world.

Your points are valid. However the freedoms that we enjoy are becoming endangered. Our freedom of speech is under attack. Home Land Security can and does monitor e-mails and phone calls. The Whitehouse has set up an e-mail account specifically for people to turn in (what they consider propaganda). To what end?

You can own a gun,and you can join a rally,you do have free speech,for now. Home Land Security now considers former military and other gun owners a potential terror risk. You can rally and protest,so long as it is carried out in a "free speech zone" and there is no guarantee that you won't be beaten,tazed and arrested by the police.

I agree that people should be held accountable for their own actions. If you have to much credit debt,it's your own damn fault.
The angst that most people are feeling is the potential to lose the rights we have,to an out of control government that has its fingers wrapped around the throats of nearly everything.