I Would Side With the Serpent

Sometimes I wonder if 'serpents' were mistranslated from 'spirits'. I doubt all such words are a mistranslation in the bible and related texts, yet it does seem like there is something that needs correction or has been gravely misunderstood. The prospective evidence to this is more psychological, as in the way that people have acted or the result of such effects by the influence of gospel on any perspective. Even more significant is the expectations after exposure to an event, as if some have used knowledge as weapon more than a cure or for balance.

Maybe one thing misunderstood is that the knowledge said to be given by the apple (exposure) is actually only a part of a whole while it is expected to be all of the whole. With further consideration you probably see how this could be abused to control people or at least control others how they are to treat someone. It could be as simple as if someone is part of a certain religion than that someone could be diagnosed with a certain condition. Usually diagnoses have factual evidence to support such claim, yet some may feel that because of someone's religion that it is ok to diagnose that person without factual evidence of a condition.

The reasons why can get pretty deep. For one, a doctor could use the excuse that he knows a patient is a religious person therefor the doctor uses evidence based only on faith rather than something factualized. The same doctor may diagnose an atheist based on factualized evidence if the atheist relies on science. We would expect the same level of study to produce evidence, yet I doubt the possibility this same level of study or consistency in care from patient to patient actually happens as people would assume it does. I'm sure we could come up with many reasons why it is not the same.

The old ways of the serpent (as in related to the bible) seemed to be able to fairly balance a middle point between concerns as above. This doesn't seem so true anymore, and it may be time the old ways of the serpent come to an end before further corruption or carelessness occurs. There is obviously 'new ways of the serpent' and those that support the old ways surely disagree with the new ways, as the new ways support its actions by ego rather than by wisdom.

"Be as *egotistical* as your serpents".... I doubt it was suppose to happen like this.

No wonder why so many very religious people get drunk off alcohol. They probably are afraid to admit the reasons why they do.

These serpents of the new ways are nothing like those of the old ways. Who ever said serpents have teeth, venom, or anything like to even be considered evil by look alone?

Hope this helps those doctors that want to cure other doctors that mistreat patients, especially when a diagnoses is given when it is actually mere opinion and such opinion further causes mistreatment. I think here when someone says they 'would side with the serpent' they might be confused to side with mere opinion as an order.

If it was a spirit instead of a serpent, it might be seen as mere opinion since someone that follows strict science, like an atheist and some others, would find it hard to be convinced to take orders from a spirit... well, just imagine something like the Caduceus with spirits instead of serpents.

Ah... its about Halloween time. Trick or treat. =)

i completely agree

the whole "forbidden tree of knowledge" is a painfully obvious anti science metaphor, in a book written by men to control the masses stupid enough to take it literally and believe it was the word of god

what its really saying is, "dont eat from the tree of knowledge! your mind is much better off as a slave to dogmatic religious thought (or rather, the lack thereof)! the bible says so! if the bible says so, it must be true!"

s&f

[edit on 10/27/2009 by prototism]

[edit on 10/27/2009 by prototism]

Knowledge of good and evil implies the ability to comprehend the effect of ones' actions. The preservation and transmission of this knowledge is the ability to read and write. They go together.

As smart as we think humans are compared to, say house cats, the fact that we have reading and writing, computers, internet, cars, space rockets and so on, indicates to me how handicapped we are.

Our comprehension levels are so low that only small fraction of the population understand how things work despite multiple years of schooling.
The fact that the human body requires sleep for half of its operational lifetime is unbelievably restrictive. Not to mention procuring food, clothing and shelter. This is god's way of keeping us "barefoot and pregnant" so to speak.
The fact that our memory is so short that we have to rely on written record is pitiful.
The fact that only handful of humans have been to the moon in a tin can, if you can believe that, is laughable.

But like fish who are born and die in the water who are not aware of their are restricted existence, hardly anyone on this planet gives a second thought about the condition we are in.

Oh yeah, god created humans because he loved us. Yay!








[edit on 27-10-2009 by tungus]

I don't see how they go together. A radio may be the means in which to bring a song or a message, but it isn't in and of itself THE song or message. The ability to write down information on quantum physics isn't the knowledge of quantum physics in and of itself. Yes, it is a form of knowledge, but it isn't specifically the knowledge of good and evil, no more than it is the knowledge of quantum physics.

Repeatedly I hear you guys talking about the "Word of God" and serpents the way the "Bible describes it". I find it ironic then, that you guys are saying God doesn't want us to know how to read and write. The 10 commandments were scribed on stone with God's own hand...and commanded by God for us to READ. The written word is one of the parts of the armor of God (the sword) that we're supposed to have. It also says "Faith comes by hearing and SEEING of the word".

dzonatas, you misinterpret Christians when you imply that we assume the right to judge others. A bad representation of a Christian would do that, (ok so that might a percentage far higher than my liking) but God is the judge of things, not us. I think a good summary of the Christians creed...if you will, is simply "God has given me more life than I ever imagined, more joy, more love and more purpose than i thought possible. If you don't have that, then I want you to experience it yourself and I want to show you how." To put it in Jesus' words "I came so that you may have life, and have it more abundantly. " It's not a "your a cancer cause you don't believe what I do". I hope you understand the difference.

God didn't create a robot (as some of you are insinuating) and with free will, we chose other things other than God. You are right in the fact that the serpent wasn't THE issue. The serpent was just the tempter/suggester of the issue. I don't even believe the issue was the fact that we have the knowledge of good and evil (if it was then even with the cross I wouldn't be able to enter heaven)....the issue was that God asked us not to taste of it, and we disobeyed and did it anyway...we SINNED. Why were those trees there in the first place? Who knows, maybe God was going to give them to us later. (With the cross we get eternal life, so the other tree has been given to us) Maybe God used the trees as a means to exercise free will...to give us the OPTION, but I feel like you guys are caught up in the tree, when you should be caught up in the sin.



The bible also says that we will judge angels. Whoa...that's pretty privileged if you ask me. Kinda counter to the "slave mentality" you guys keep talking about.

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JayinAR made the point that the apple refers to the ability to write and read. That lead to an awakening in consciousness. If people are illiterate it is easier to keep them enslaved, rather than god having to control the media. More work for him.
You missed my point about how severely handicapped we humans are. The gods made us smart enough to follow orders and to serve them but they did not want humans to equal to them. Equality is purely a human value, not a god given one. We want to give our children the best education and would like them to surpass us, but god does not want this for his creation. Hmmmm.
Awakening in consciousness makes slaves question orders and strive for freedom and equality. A dog cannot question orders but also it cannot work the fields or set the table for its master no matter how much you train him.

He did create little robots! Then, he had a fit when someone upgraded their capabilities.
We have the illusion of free will. For example, something as trivial as whether you prefer tea or coffee -or neither in my case, is determined by set of genes. Subtle things like fluctuations in the magnetic field are known to cause people to make different decisions than what they would have otherwise made. And yet they thought that they are making a decision on their own at the time. Full moon causes some people to do things that they wouldn't normally do. So if you look into the idea of free will deeper it evaporates quickly under investigation, because you have all kinds of factors influencing one's decision.
What you have is the appearance of free will.



[edit on 4-11-2009 by tungus]

Change that from 'assume' to 'assumed' and maybe I won't disagree.

Touche.



Disobedience in itself is not an act of sin. Sin is the result, especially when you don't have the knowledge to prevent or resolve sin in whole to make everything and anybody 'virgin' again, away from any sin to be considered not to have sinned. Don't even expect to understand if you don't even understand that much.



The old ways of the serpent could to be have said to 'suggest' a desired order from the Order, yet not to commence such order until there is approval by an Ancient (i.e. excludes any approval from a Doctor or Military order until the Ancient approves the order.)

Doctors wanted to 'taste' the Blacker than Black, which is to say black as in if you were to figuratively 'paint it all black'.

I'm not even going to get into examples that the new ways of the serpent have became, yet hopefully it gets addressed as neopagans are SHOWN how to align/attune themselves with pagans.



You are not the only one that has had their knowledge of heaven 'painted all black'. Many don't even recognize heaven even when they are it.

Fair? (Or if you don't want to judge, than have belief/fiath of a 'higher power' of justice above any god... a sense of oneness)


[edit on 5-11-2009 by dzonatas]

reply to post by JayinAR

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OK, Jay, you are in there with Satan the Deceiver.

He will not save you or help you in any way.

Good luck.

You assumed way too much. I also suggest to study the thread, so we don't have to repeat some of the discussion or get too far off topic. This isn't a bible bash thread, so yes there is disregard for that reason and not because we don't consider it.

reply to post by smokingfretboard

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Commenting on your question as to where I came up with the comparison of the knowledge of good and evil actually referring to the ability to read and write.. write... right... (haha, just thought I would try that out.)

Ummm, It is nothing more than what I have deduced by looking at all of the religious writings, or more specifically, the Genesis accounts of various cultures over the last 10 years or so.

Not that I study this stuff in earnest, but it is a hobby of mine. I have concluded that our religious inspirations were a group of "Gods" (aliens) that travelled to this planet long ago and set up a colony. I'm still not quite sure what the colony's purpose is, but I'm leaning towards a gene-splicing platform.
When looking at "good and evil" in this context, it becomes apparent to me that "good" is a slave race designed to simply carry benficial immunity type genes and "evil" becomes a race that is "equal to" the Gods themselves in potential. Or, the genes allowing mankind the ability to preserve and pass on history. Therefore, giving them the ability to advance into "godly" status.

Ummm... it fits.
It works.
It makes sense.

I think it is true.

Wow, there was quite a lag in the activity of the thread and I thought it had run its course.
This has turned out to be quite the discussion. I'm glad you guys have participated.

Thanks a lot. Lets me know that I'm not alone in these thoughts. Or that these thoughts are considered worthy of response by those that may not agree.