This is a great thread and I will definitely try these techniques When I have the time.

My main reason for posting is to just bump this awesome thread! I need more reading material.

Very good post!


You are right about the inside and outside projections, although they are the same in my opinion, one is much more personal and brings closer to God and the other is the travelling in the different places of the astral.
I also wished you spoke about all the astral entities one may come across (even before the exit!). Most are neutral in nature but there are good and bad beings and to the inexperienced traveller it can be quite a shock.
There is also a chance of temporarily losing control of the body (a few seconds max) and in some cases this can be very unsettling or down right scary.

My favorite technique is to imagine peacefully laying down on the Ocean, doing a mental countdown and switch off parts of my body until i reach the head. When complete relaxation and sensory deprivation occur, I only imagine myself having the urge to stand up or jump, or simply imagine a vaccuum above me sucking me up.

This has always fascinated me, never APed but I have been into trance once, it felt kinda like I was floating. I have heard stories of people encountering hellish, demon like creatures whilst Aping though, other people saying you have to ground yourself properly otherwise a malevoant spirit might enter your body whilst you are out, the idea of which always terrifies me so the few times I have tried to AP, I have quickly abandonded it in fear.

Im actually freaking out about it now just thinking about it, time to grab my MP3 player and listen to some cheery tunes...

*My song of choice right now- the Ghostbusters theme! Certinly did the trick*

Id still love to do it though, I just need to get past my (rational) fear.

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Originally posted by joecool280
This has always fascinated me, never APed but I have been into trance once, it felt kinda like I was floating. I have heard stories of people encountering hellish, demon like creatures whilst Aping though, other people saying you have to ground yourself properly otherwise a malevoant spirit might enter your body whilst you are out, the idea of which always terrifies me so the few times I have tried to AP, I have quickly abandonded it in fear.

Im actually freaking out about it now just thinking about it, time to grab my MP3 player and listen to some cheery tunes...

*My song of choice right now- the Ghostbusters theme! Certinly did the trick*

Id still love to do it though, I just need to get past my (rational) fear.

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I've had the same fear sometimes. Those stupid shows (cough cough A Haunting) put fear into people. I personally think they may be purposefully used by TPTB to be put fear into our hearts so we are scared to astral project. I'm going to try this astral projection too, because I'm new to all these spiritual practices.

I think I know how to protect yourself from these entities. Imagine a white light of protection, a white light emanating from within you. I like to imagine it a sort of filter, and any negative entity will bounce against it and go away. Be sure to do this right before you begin to astral project. I use this method when I get frightened or go into a place where there may be negative spirits. I have a friendly spirit in my house who I would like to speak with. She's not negative, and is actually an Indian. I've done EVP's, but have not tried any spiritual communication, yet. And no, she's not a demon. Perhaps this will work. I love these kinds of threads. The conspiracy threads are always so negative and are like, RED ALERT!!!! PTB ARE GOING TO KILL US triple exclamation mark again. These threads are positive and can bring great joy. Thanks!

Originally posted by deloneninja
I ask that people please read this post and respond to it, advice would be really great.

I have just tried meditating and using these methods for the first time. I focused on my chakras opening starting from the root and working towards middle. This was actually suprisingly easy i found. I had about 5 tingling sensations each time i focused enough and visualised them opening. When i got to around the solar plexus area it became harder, and i was having a hard time at the chakra in the head(not sure the name) and the crown chakra. I still felt energy and started to use the sinking method. I felt very heavy and almost fell asleep. While continuing to do this i felt like i was both moving in a direction and falling, it was strange. I then snapped out of it, because i really was about to fall asleep.

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Just a quick question,where did you visualize the energy coming from?

If you visualized it coming from your feet down, then use that technique until you reach your solar plexus. DO not try to open it, just let some energy flow into it. Ive found the solar plexus harder to open at times, and my theory is because it requires a mixture of positive and negative energy. Yin and Yan if you will, to fully open.

Once youve done that, try to force energy down instead of up, start at your crown chakra pulling energy down from above you, allow it to go down until you reach your heart. Then take some of that energy and fully open the solar plexus.

Hopefully this will help you with your energy work, ive found its easier this way to visualize it all. Pull from you head down for positive upper chakras, then pull from the bottom for lower negative energy chakras, or visa-verse.

good luck

Originally posted by TheOracle
Very good post!


You are right about the inside and outside projections, although they are the same in my opinion, one is much more personal and brings closer to God and the other is the travelling in the different places of the astral.
I also wished you spoke about all the astral entities one may come across (even before the exit!). Most are neutral in nature but there are good and bad beings and to the inexperienced traveller it can be quite a shock.
There is also a chance of temporarily losing control of the body (a few seconds max) and in some cases this can be very unsettling or down right scary.

My favorite technique is to imagine peacefully laying down on the Ocean, doing a mental countdown and switch off parts of my body until i reach the head. When complete relaxation and sensory deprivation occur, I only imagine myself having the urge to stand up or jump, or simply imagine a vaccuum above me sucking me up.

Hehe thanks, i will cover the spirits and voices and such in section two thanks for the request.

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Ok, I'm just post-last-attempt so I'll give a run-down while it is fresh in my mind.

Something I found was a real issue with not wanting to initially experience my body in the 3rd person. I don't really feel a great fear but rather some excessive attachment to the body. Perhaps I am equating that with death and perhaps in the most common experience it is death. It seems a bit silly right now especially since I had a recent involuntary experience and did OBE quite often as a child, but still more or less out of my control.

It almost seems as silly as being unwilling to get out of your car because you think it's you.

I am having what feels like memories of being wheeled around on a stretcher, unable to move or communicate while hearing voices around me.

I feel like my awareness starts to move slightly in front of my face and awarness starts to diminish from the body itself as if I were forming a bubble that is about to break off and float free.

Do you have any suggestions on this one other than to just confront the issue when it arises?

This is normal, i suggest you just sit in that state and not try to project until you get used the all the sensations. Many people who project regularly are able to project while;e still retaining the feeling within the body, while other are not. i grantee you you wont die and its 100% safe the only way youll get hurt is if you fall off the bet.

Those memories may be dreams, or past memories, only you will know

If your awareness is moving out of your body you are on the right track

good luck, and remember there is nothing to fear except fear itself

This is a great thread, Star & Flag for the amount of work that went into the presentation.

The thing that amazes me about this entire phenomenon is that it actually happens cross-culture, and is possible for everyone to do. I was an atheist until I started randomly projecting and lucid dreaming. It definitely changes your perspective on things once you achieve the ability to project / lucid dream. It's really not hard to do at all, but it does take patience above all.

Originally posted by joecool280
This has always fascinated me, never APed but I have been into trance once, it felt kinda like I was floating. I have heard stories of people encountering hellish, demon like creatures whilst Aping though, other people saying you have to ground yourself properly otherwise a malevoant spirit might enter your body whilst you are out, the idea of which always terrifies me so the few times I have tried to AP, I have quickly abandonded it in fear.

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I think those stories are a result of fear and misunderstanding its like being afraid to go to sleep cause someone may take over your body. You are still in your body and nothing can posses it, also you cannot be hurt in any way. Fears of the flesh do not apply in the astral, and that is one thing many people forget, nothing can happen to you.

just my 2 cents on that

good luck.

Originally posted by phi1618 The Mental Layer Personally I have never experienced this realm, although I have been to higher one I somehow managed to skip this one. Since I have never experienced it, I personally believe it does not exist or is misinterpreted for a buffer zone between realms. Here is what Robert Bruce’s Astral Dynamics Website has to say about it.

This is a spectacular dimension! Iridescent rivers of sound bounded by rainbow shores of pulsating light. Thoughts appear as kaleidoscopic patterns of light and sound. You walk across fields of ideas under a sparkling crystal sky of inspiration. If you enter this world don't try to rationalise or understand it, or you may go mad, for it is beyond human understanding. Just accept it all, go with the flow and enjoy it!

Sounds like a DMT/LSD trip - pretty sure I've been there

Thanks, will continue to read this wonderful piece of information

edit: quote tags didnt work but u get my drift



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Astralpedia part two is in the works, if anyone would like to suggest topics i include and try to cover please feel free to post.

So far i have the following :

1 Helping you project ( THings that help other than energy work )
2. sensations before during and after projection
3. Spirits/astral figures
4. The Big Pull ( Time travel through the astral )

please feel free to add more topics for cover.



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I have a question:

How do I overcome itches? It may sound funny, but it happens to me every time I try and meditate now. I get these horrible burning itches right on the insides of my nostrils that get so bad, I literally break out in sweats and my meditation session is ruined. I've been unable to overcome this obstacle to the point to where I do absolutely no "work" anymore in this field, whereas, I used to do it all the time.

Yes, I've trimmed the hair in my nose. They are impossible to ignore as it's akin to trying to meditate while someone's holding a lit match under your butt.

Very frustrating.

I've never gotten out, but I HAVE experienced the final step right before exit, as per Robert Monroe's descriptions. Over the past several years (before the dreaded itch, that is) I was able to get to the vibratory state.

If ever there were any skeptical doubt as to the efficacy of energy work and altered states of consciousness induced only by meditation (no drugs), I can tell you that there IS something to this crazy business. I have experienced Monroe's vibratory state on 4 separate occasions, and each one I could not describe the sensation to do it justice.

It's amazing...so amazing in fact, and unbelievable, that I always get shocked out of my session. Which is why I've never been able to "exit."

Now, I'm just interested in the energy.

Anyway, got to rambling there...sorry.