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Why isn't Operation Northwoods enough to convince people that 9/11 was an inside job?

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posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 07:41 PM
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If the U.S. government was planning to murder their own citizens and start phony wars through the use of false flag terrorist attacks 47 years ago, why is it so hard to believe they'd do the same today?

And what lame excuse do the paid government disinfo shills who stalk the ATS 9/11 Forum 24/7 have for this?


Operation Northwoods

US PLANNED FAKE TERROR ATTACKS ON CITIZENS TO CREATE SUPPORT FOR CUBAN WAR

From BODY OF SECRETS, James Bamford, Doubleday, 2001, p.82 and following. Scanned and edited by NY Transfer News.

According to secret and long-hidden documents obtained for Body of Secrets, the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of anti-Communism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba.

Operation Northwoods

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.

Do other parts of the Operation Northwoods plan sound familiar?


An aircraft at Elgin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CJA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone [a remotely controlled unmanned aircraft]. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida.

From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Elgin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency a "May Day" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MiG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft, which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO [International Civil Aviation Organization radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the U.S. what has happened to the aircraft instead of the U.S. trying to "sell" the incident.

More on Operation Northwoods, including original Northwoods document scans.



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posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 07:57 PM
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I find the notion that it was an inside job, very likely, given all the evidence. But as in this case, this information merely makes the scenario more likely, not a certainty.

There can, and always be doubt. Calling people who either reserve judgment or do not agree with you paid government shills is about as accurate as the notion in of itself is.

Operation Northwoods goes to show that there is a will, and that the government is not the caring benefactor many would have it be. But, and I may be wrong, it does not add anything more than that.



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 07:58 PM
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The United States Air Force was partly responsible aswell.

The USAF was conducting a live-fly exercise involving real commercial airliners. Norad was also involved in this training exercise(s), hence why 911 occured unimpeded.

NORAD had over 15 hijacked airliners on their screens.


"Is this real world or exercise?" - Norad worker



[edit on 8-8-2009 by CaptainAmerica2012]



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 08:10 PM
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Well, most people are horribly afraid of life. They live to find and accept the rational's that allow them to feel safe, accepted and comfortable. They don't really care what it takes or what the truth is. On top of that, brainwashing is everywhere. The so-called social religions (Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Sikh, Hindu, etc.) seem to have been set up, in part, to promote in people a brainwashing, conformity, fantasy life of pretend spiritual accomplishment. Most of the military does exactly the same thing under the guise of them-against-us patriotism. People are simply conditioned to the idea of escape into belief and pretend and find it to be their safe place. That don't know life to be any different. The spirit itself is partly to blame. It can find acceptance with any condition because all that it experiences really comes from the spirit itself. So, the spirit can fuel a center acceptable for it's state of consciousness. If it can not do so, in a particular form, it will rebel until the form is annihilated and it can descend to a form and plane suitable to it's needs.

Frankly, these illusions are orchestrated from higher regions still under the domain of the Devil. The agents in the world are simply that. Illusion is fundamental to keeping the spirit chained to these worlds. The lies are perpetual and always will be here.



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by Oscitate
Calling people who either reserve judgment or do not agree with you paid government shills is about as accurate as the notion in of itself is.

That wasn't meant towards you or anyone who reserves judgement or disagrees. It's intended towards the professional pseudo-skeptic disinfo types who monitor the 9/11 forum 24/7 and never post anywhere else on ATS. They know who they are.


Operation Northwoods goes to show that there is a will, and that the government is not the caring benefactor many would have it be.

Indeed -- as further demonstrated by the phony Gulf of Tonkin incident, the assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK, etc., the USS Liberty, TWA 800, Waco, Oklahoma City, "WMDs" in Iraq and many other examples. And don't forget Hurricane Katrina, which aptly demonstrated how much of a benefactor they truly are -- I'd characterize it somewhere between "incompetent" and "evil".



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by CaptainAmerica2012
THE United States Air Force was partly responsible aswell.

The USAF was conducting a live-fly exercise involving real commercial airliners. Norad was also involved in this training exercise(s), hence why 911 occured unimpeded.

NORAD had over 15 hijacked airliners on their screens.


"Is this real world or exercise?" - Norad worker




What a fantastic coincidence! On the one day in history when planes are hijacked, we're conducting a "drill" that deals with hijacked planes being flown into buildings. Gotta love a great coincidence!

The first time in history we experience a real hijacking and attack, and our trillion dollar defense industry FAILS? Are you kidding me? It sounds like they were set up for failure. Don't you think?

Hundreds of millions go into providing security for the most heavily defended building on earth, and even after 2 planes have been hijacked and flown into buildings, our trillion dollar defense industry fails to stop a 3rd attack?

Wow! Coincidences for everyone! YAY FUN TIMES!


Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.


The only funny part here, is that Bush and Co. didn't even produce the evidence and yet the American Public gobbled it all up. Hahah.



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 08:19 PM
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I agree Goldenfleece. There seemed to be a lot of incompetence on 9/11 -- aside from the conspiracy itself. And in a sense I believe that those who are willing to bathe the masses in blood occasionally do it for the peoples' benefit (hello milton friedman). So in a sense, have a skewed or astoundingly utilitarian ethics principle would make them evil.

When you're dealing with figures, numbers and absolutes, I suppose in a sense you lose a sense of humanity simply because you are not living it. And while I cannot forgive it, I can understand it.

As you say, it's probably a mix.

[edit on 8-8-2009 by Oscitate]

[edit on 8-8-2009 by Oscitate]



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by king9072

Originally posted by CaptainAmerica2012
THE United States Air Force was partly responsible aswell.

The USAF was conducting a live-fly exercise involving real commercial airliners. Norad was also involved in this training exercise(s), hence why 911 occured unimpeded.

NORAD had over 15 hijacked airliners on their screens.


"Is this real world or exercise?" - Norad worker




What a fantastic coincidence! On the one day in history when planes are hijacked, we're conducting a "drill" that deals with hijacked planes being flown into buildings. Gotta love a great coincidence!

The first time in history we experience a real hijacking and attack, and our trillion dollar defense industry FAILS? Are you kidding me? It sounds like they were set up for failure. Don't you think?

Hundreds of millions go into providing security for the most heavily defended building on earth, and even after 2 planes have been hijacked and flown into buildings, our trillion dollar defense industry fails to stop a 3rd attack?

Wow! Coincidences for everyone! YAY FUN TIMES!


Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.


The only funny part here, is that Bush and Co. didn't even produce the evidence and yet the American Public gobbled it all up. Hahah.


What would be a coincidence of biblical proportions would be say... One of America`s biggest allies to suffer terrorist attacks in their heart (capitol city is good), and at identical times a war game is being undertaken that reflects exactly the nature of attacks, me bad sorry, that`s just being plain stupid.. Oh wait.....

www.youtube.com...



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by GoldenFleece
If the U.S. government was planning to murder their own citizens and start phony wars through the use of false flag terrorist attacks 47 years ago, why is it so hard to believe they'd do the same today?



Erm, because Project Northwoods was never considered. Mc Namera summarily smacked that proposal down, and the next thing you know the proposer (Lemnitzer) found himself no longer a joint chief and in Belgium..Faaarr away from Washington...and domestic decision making.


And what lame excuse do the paid government disinfo shills who stalk the ATS 9/11 Forum 24/7 have for this?


Your paranoia has anyone that disagrees with you stuffed into a tidy box as a "Paid govt. disinfo agent" -- Which is narcissitic on your part, because, quite frankly my dear... no one gives a damn.

I just point out items that are wrong or misrepresented.. unfortunately free of charge. Pointing out errors in this particular "conspiracy theory" is way to easy to expect any kind of compensation. That should tell ya something right there.



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 11:57 PM
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To be honest, I don't see that Project Northwoods was real. Anyone can concoct a devilish conspiracy theory, especially of something that took place nearly 50 years ago.

I'm not saying I think Project Northwood didn't happen. All I'm saying is, the evidence of its existence doesn't appear any more convincing than any other evidence of some old conspiracy. It's not convincing, compelling. Just an intriguing possibility that I have no realistic way of confirming or denying.

I don't doubt that some elements of our Government - of any government - would hesitate to kill a few thousand civilians, for some "greater cause" (such as fighting Communism or grabbing some country's oil). I seriously doubt, however, that anyone would agree to losing the Twin Towers. That cost *money*. A few thousand lives, fine. Billions of dollars? Not so fine. And I'm not just talking about the buildings themselves, but of the businesses in them and around them. I just can't see anyone letting it happen.

I *can* see some government people, aware that some sort of attack was about to happen, allowing it to happen, thinking it would only involve a few hundred or thousand victims and perhaps some relatively unimportant building. Maybe they expected someone to use a bomb and kill a bunch of people without bringing down a whole building - not to mention the two most important buildings in New York. Some atrocity like that, let it unify the country, let it get everyone behind a grab for the oil we're so desperately addicted to. It could be that they never expected such a coordinated attack with four jetliners, doing so much damage. Oops.

When all is said and done, however, I see no compelling evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. All I see are accusations and some "expert" opinions by people who have no experience with how a building responds to having a jetliner filled with fuel crash into it at 500 mph. I see at least a dozen different, incompatible scenarios that try to prove why the 9/11 attack was a fake or an inside job. The planes didn't exist, they were holograms. The buildings were blown up using a controlled demolition, just like is done with old buildings that are imploded deliberately. Thermite was used. A missile, not a plane, hit the Pentagon. And so on.

What some of these folks would have us believe is that somehow someone managed to fake airplanes hitting the buildings, while bringing them down by other means (explosive charges hidden in the structures). Oh, and somehow they got rid of the airplanes that did disappear (along with the passengers), in such a way that they were never found again.

I want to comment on your "paid government disinformation shills". Not everyone who disagrees with you is a "paid government disinformation shill". In fact, probably no one is. The Government doesn't have to lift a finger to try to discredit 9/11 conspiracy theorists. The 9/11 conspiracy theorists are doing a fine job of discrediting themselves.

In fact, if *I* were the government and had done something like 9/11, I'd make sure that my paid shills were conspiracy theorists who made absolutely ridiculous claims about 9/11 that no one would ever believe. Have someone start talking about how the Reptilians did it with mind rays or something. The best way of doing that is to find someone who's already halfway there, and just feed him "evidence" that seems to prove his point. Let him rage on about it, ensuring that anyone hearing him (and by association, any other 9/11 theorist) would assume he's just crazy. If I were the government, I'd fuel all sorts of conspiracy theories. The true story, assuming it's not what the government told us, would be lost among all the nonsense, and no one would ever learn what really happened.



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by chiron613
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When all is said and done, however, I see no compelling evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. All I see are accusations and some "expert" opinions by people who have no experience with how a building responds to having a jetliner filled with fuel crash into it at 500 mph. I see at least a dozen different, incompatible scenarios that try to prove why the 9/11 attack was a fake or an inside job. The planes didn't exist, they were holograms. The buildings were blown up using a controlled demolition, just like is done with old buildings that are imploded deliberately. Thermite was used. A missile, not a plane, hit the Pentagon. And so on.


Welcome to the world of disinformation and pseudo skeptics. I recommend doing some REAL research rather than browsing around ufo and conspiracy sites. There are people that are employed to muddy the waters of truth so people like you can regurgitate such obscurities to hopefully irritate the reader and researcher till they give up and move to something else.

Killing millions and losing billions is nothing in the grand scheme of things by the way.

I once heard in the late 70's that the WTC was designed and planned for its inevitable destruction in the future to bring about change in this world but that was probably just ramblings of a crazy billionaire. I thought it was quite silly and unbelievable but here we are.

Think about all the wars that are now being fought because of 9/11. Wars based on lies.

Do you now get why 9/11 happened?

It's all a joke.



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by chiron613
I don't doubt that some elements of our Government - of any government - would hesitate to kill a few thousand civilians, for some "greater cause" (such as fighting Communism or grabbing some country's oil). I seriously doubt, however, that anyone would agree to losing the Twin Towers. That cost *money*. A few thousand lives, fine. Billions of dollars? Not so fine. And I'm not just talking about the buildings themselves, but of the businesses in them and around them. I just can't see anyone letting it happen.


But...but!


What about Silverstein's insurance money for the towers?

Was it not anything about abestos that needed to be removed from the towers? - when the towers went down that money for the removal wasn't needed anymore?

What about all documentation about the Enron corruption & scandal that disappeared when WTC 7 went down, didn't that save the bad guys some money & serious trouble - Law suits etc?

What about the wars that followed? didn't the Military Industrial Complex make a bundle of money out of that?

what about the "War Profiteers" like Halliburton and KBR etc? didn't they make an awful lot of money from the taxpayers and investments etc?

What about those trillions of dollars that Rumsfeld decleared was missing from the Pentagon one day before the tragedy - and all questions was buried the next day because something terrible happen?

Didn't also billions of gold disappeared from the WTC in some strange way?

Well! I'm just asking! - couldn't all this added together be more worth than the costs of bringing havoc and tragedy & destruction to the WTC complex?

Peace?



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 07:17 AM
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I think that was the idea. Sort of like Pearl Harbor. Get normally isolationist Americans to get mad and become aggressive at whomever attacked. And pass a few laws that restrict freedoms and increase govermental power on the fly.

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posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by Taxi-Driver

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
If the U.S. government was planning to murder their own citizens and start phony wars through the use of false flag terrorist attacks 47 years ago, why is it so hard to believe they'd do the same today?

Erm, because Project Northwoods was never considered.

And you know this how?

Erm, you don't. Operation Northwoods -- a plan remarkably similar to 9/11 -- was simply approved by the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff, but your interpretation of that is "it was never considered?" Yeah, not much!


Originally posted by Taxi-Driver

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
And what lame excuse do the paid government disinfo shills who stalk the ATS 9/11 Forum 24/7 have for this?

Your paranoia has anyone that disagrees with you stuffed into a tidy box as a "Paid govt. disinfo agent" -- Which is narcissitic on your part, because, quite frankly my dear... no one gives a damn.

Well, let's see, in addition to name-calling, attempts at ridicule and the laughable assertion that "no one cares" (except you, evidently) it looks like the lame excuse turned out to be "it was never considered."


"Taxi-Driver" is another one of the 9/11 Forum stalkers and disinfo specialists I'm talking about -- always lurking in the shadows, always ready to defend the government's patently ridiculous 9/11 official story.



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by chiron613
To be honest, I don't see that Project Northwoods was real. Anyone can concoct a devilish conspiracy theory, especially of something that took place nearly 50 years ago.

Oh, I see -- a plan approved by the ENTIRE Joint Chiefs of Staff wasn't "real." It was probably just their overactive imaginations.


Originally posted by chiron613
I don't doubt that some elements of our Government - of any government - would hesitate to kill a few thousand civilians, for some "greater cause" (such as fighting Communism or grabbing some country's oil). I seriously doubt, however, that anyone would agree to losing the Twin Towers. That cost *money*. A few thousand lives, fine. Billions of dollars? Not so fine.

I guess you haven't done much research into how much it was gonna cost to remove all the asbestos in the WTC towers, not to mention how much Larry "Pull It" Silverstein has already made on his 99-year lease (he's still suing for BILLIONS more), on a lease that was conveniently signed just a couple months before the towers and WTC7 were pulled, err, I mean collapsed.


Originally posted by chiron613
When all is said and done, however, I see no compelling evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

Oh no, the evidence isn't very compelling at all.
Especially for those who've never bothered to personally investigate or who believe what the government and corporate media tells them to believe. Read one of the many books like "The New Pearl Harbor" and THEN tell me there's no compelling evidence.

There's a friggin' MOUNTAIN of incriminating evidence!


Originally posted by chiron613
All I see are accusations and some "expert" opinions by people who have no experience with how a building responds to having a jetliner filled with fuel crash into it at 500 mph.

Maybe you should read a little about how the WTC towers were designed and constructed by the architects and builders. They were built to withstand MULTIPLE impacts from a 707 -- a plane that's very similar in weight and fuel capacity to a 767. And since you're so knowledgeable, please tell us why no steel-framed building in HISTORY has ever collapsed due to fire, even buildings that burned at much hotter temperatures for days and weeks.


Originally posted by chiron613
I see at least a dozen different, incompatible scenarios that try to prove why the 9/11 attack was a fake or an inside job. The planes didn't exist, they were holograms. The buildings were blown up using a controlled demolition, just like is done with old buildings that are imploded deliberately. Thermite was used. A missile, not a plane, hit the Pentagon. And so on.

If I were the government, I'd fuel all sorts of conspiracy theories. The true story, assuming it's not what the government told us, would be lost among all the nonsense, and no one would ever learn what really happened.

You're doing a fine job of promulgating nonsense by mentioning the hologram BS. What's so incompatible about the rest? It's obvious you haven't done any research or personal investigation into an event that "changed everything." Why not?

In any case, thanks for doing your part by writing a post that basically says nothing except "I see no compelling evidence that 9/11 was an inside job." Un... friggin'... believable.

You see nothing because you haven't bothered to look. Perhaps you're afraid of what you might find? Some people just can't handle the truth.



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by GoldenFleece
If the U.S. government was planning to murder their own citizens and start phony wars through the use of false flag terrorist attacks 47 years ago, why is it so hard to believe they'd do the same today?


...imo, the culprit is fragile ego... so many people's identity is securely wrapped up in a fantasy of what our government is... saying that our government is less than the fantasy's claims is perceived as a personal attack, even though its an attack on the fantasy and not necessarily the fantasy-believer...

...re: operation northwoods... elgin afb?... i checked the link and it says elgin too but i dont think there is an elgin afb in florida... theres an eglin afb up in the panhandle... so whats up with that?... disinfo?... dyslexia?... typo?...



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 03:07 AM
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Well,Fleece you must also remember that according to the debunkers the government never allowed the CIA to get involved with drug dealers.The government would never negotiate with terrorists and so on.Operation: Northwoods is proof that the noble patriotic moral US government would willingly kill it's citizens to further their own goals.But,forgive me I'm just a conspiracy nut so what do I know?




posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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On the contrary, Northwoods is enough to tell us 9/11 *wasn't* an inside job.

First off, read the plan again- nowhere in the plan did it say they were going to murder US citizens. The plan was to create LIVE witnesses to report the Cuban aggression that was to have been staged by US insiders. the peopel who were to have been killed were peopel who never existed to begin with.

Second, the plan was scrapped and the guy who came up with it was sacked, meaning the gov't DIDN'T want to do operation Northwoods.

Third, becuase they didn't do it, there's no way to tell whether the plan would have even worked, which is unlikely. All the reporters had to do was find out the killed Americans never existed to begin with and the whole plan would have unravelled

Fourth, the gov't ADMITTED they concocted the plan to begin with. If they're going to be pulling secret plots liek this they're sure as hell not goign to ever admit any other plots.

You're reading into all this to see what you want to see...or I should say, these damned fool conspiracy websites are feeding you a lot of rubbish in order to get you to believe what they want you to believe. Trying to use a plan that DIDN'T get anyone killed, which the gov't DIDN'T want to do, which they ADMITTED they came up with, to support the idea there's a gov't conspiracy behind 9/11, is stretching things grotesquely. It's akin to saying that becuase I dropped the toothpaste on the floor this morning, it must mean you have really bad dental hygene.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by GoodOlDave
On the contrary, Northwoods is enough to tell us 9/11 *wasn't* an inside job.

First off, read the plan again- nowhere in the plan did it say they were going to murder US citizens.

Wrong, unless you don't consider "blowing up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay" or a "wave of terrorism in Miami, other Florida cities -- even Washington, D.C" as murdering U.S. citizens. I sure the hell WOULD call it murdering U.S. citizens.

The suggested operations grew progressively more outrageous. Another called for an action similar to the infamous incident in February 1898 when an explosion aboard the battleship Maine in Havana harbor killed 266 U.S. sailors. Although the exact cause of the explosion remained undetermined, it sparked the Spanish-American War with Cuba. Incited by the deadly blast, more than one million men volunteered for duty. Lemnitzer and his generals came up with a similar plan. "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," they proposed; "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

There seemed no limit to their fanaticism: "We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington," they wrote.


Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Second, the plan was scrapped and the guy who came up with it was sacked, meaning the gov't DIDN'T want to do operation Northwoods.

You don't know whether the plan was scrapped or not. What we do know is that another infamous false flag incident -- Gulf of Tonkin -- WAS initiated and a U.S. president (JFK) who was opposed to expanding the Viet Nam war was assassinated, most likely by the CIA, according to a deathbed confession to his son by E. Howard Hunt. Just because Lemnitzer was sacked didn't mean Operation Northwoods was sacked along with him:


Even after Lemnitzer lost his job, the Joint Chiefs kept planning "pretext" operations at least into 1963. Among their proposals was a deliberately create a war between Cuba and any of a number of N. American neighbors. This would give the United States military an excuse to come in on the side of Cuba's adversary and get rid of "A contrived 'Cuban' attack on an OAS [Organization of Americas] member could be set up," said one proposal, "and the attacked state could be urged to 'take measures of self-defense and request ice from the U.S. and OAS; the U.S. could almost certainly obtain necessary two-thirds support among OAS members for collective action against Cuba."


Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Third, becuase they didn't do it, there's no way to tell whether the plan would have even worked, which is unlikely.

Doesn't matter if it would've worked or not. What matters is that false flag terrorist incidents have been planned by the U.S. government for over 50 years, as demonstrated by the USS Liberty, Gulf of Tonkin, Oklahoma City and many other operations. If you count the USS Maine and FDR's foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor, it's been over 100 years.


Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Fourth, the gov't ADMITTED they concocted the plan to begin with. If they're going to be pulling secret plots liek this they're sure as hell not goign to ever admit any other plots.

Absolutely incorrect. The government didn't admit squat. They thought all evidence of Operation Northwoods had been destroyed:


Because of the secrecy and illegality of Operation Northwoods, all details remained hidden for forty years. Lemnitzer may have thought that all copies of the relevant documents had been destroyed; he was not one to leave compromising material lying around. Following the Bay of Pigs debacle, for example, he ordered Brigadier General David W Gray, Craig's predecessor as chief of the Cuba project within the JCS, to destroy all his notes concerning Joint Chiefs actions and discussions during that period. Gray's meticulous notes were the only detailed official records of what happened within the JCS during that time. According to Gray, Lemnitzer feared a congressional investigation and therefore wanted any incriminating evidence destroyed.

With the evidence destroyed, Lemnitzer felt free to lie to Congress. When asked, during secret hearings before a Senate committee, if he knew of any Pentagon plans for a direct invasion of Cuba he said he did not. Yet detailed JCS invasion plans had been drawn up even before Kennedy was inaugurated. And additional plans had been developed since.


Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Trying to use a plan that DIDN'T get anyone killed, which the gov't DIDN'T want to do, which they ADMITTED they came up with, to support the idea there's a gov't conspiracy behind 9/11, is stretching things grotesquely.

Through the use of actual Northwoods documents, I just proved that everything you claimed is incorrect -- blatant disinformation. Care to try again?



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 09:21 PM
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This is the strangest thing cause this Northwoods document was
on the web long before 9/11/01.

That and tons of Tesla stuff filled the net.

Well now more and more 911 material fills up the net.
Conspiracy theories are always stalled for some reason.



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