Many things go through my mind when I read this. I am on pins and needles over the entire national healthcare issue simply because I have no idea what
is going on. Now I see that the pharmco's have their hand in the jar and probably did all along. What implications are going to come from this?
Will we be given medication that suits a companies bottom line over our health?
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Topic started on 8-8-2009 @ 04:50 PM by tamusan
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Is Obama Selling Us Down the River to Big Pharma?
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It turns out that Obama has had lobbyists from Big Pharma in contact with the White House negotiating on their behalf about the "comprehensive" health care reform measures. The White House has signaled that it won't support two things we need in order to fix the problem in return for the Drug Lobby's support on the rest of the package.(visit the link for the full news article)
reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 07:17 PM by tamusan
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My concern is that I will be given medicine for economic reasons and not medical reasons.
All I ask for is transparency.
Maybe they scratched his back, and now it's his turn to repay the favor. I'm also a millionaire and always on the lookout for more cash. Let's face it, being a millionaire is not such a big deal these days.
I am not concerned about the tax money. I am way ahead of that game, as I am married to a citizen of another country. I am concerned that people who need the healthcare will not get the best deal for them. I don't need more healthcare. I have Tricare, the VA hospital, private insurance, and Japanese national healthcare. I'm all set.
I want national healthcare for the U.S., but I want it to be done right.
My concern is that I will be given medicine for economic reasons and not medical reasons.
All I ask for is transparency.
He's a millionaire and President, why would it matter to him if he made Pharmacutical companies rich?
Maybe they scratched his back, and now it's his turn to repay the favor. I'm also a millionaire and always on the lookout for more cash. Let's face it, being a millionaire is not such a big deal these days.
you'd think that extra 30$ a month outta your taxes will make
I am not concerned about the tax money. I am way ahead of that game, as I am married to a citizen of another country. I am concerned that people who need the healthcare will not get the best deal for them. I don't need more healthcare. I have Tricare, the VA hospital, private insurance, and Japanese national healthcare. I'm all set.
I want national healthcare for the U.S., but I want it to be done right.
reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 07:24 PM by tamusan
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
You hit the nail directly on the head with that post. The pharmcos will be pushing their poisons into every Americans life. I worry that they will work limited liabilty clauses into the healthcare systems. Next time they make a drug that kills more than it heals, they could just walk off whistling with their hand in their pocket like nothing happened.
You hit the nail directly on the head with that post. The pharmcos will be pushing their poisons into every Americans life. I worry that they will work limited liabilty clauses into the healthcare systems. Next time they make a drug that kills more than it heals, they could just walk off whistling with their hand in their pocket like nothing happened.
reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 07:54 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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The reality is they can get away with anything that's in the contract 100% legally.
Congress creates the Contract with them, for you.
The second you sign up or pay a premium or accept a identification number you have accepted the contract.
The reality is we don't need a new health care plan, we need a new government that will follow the constitution, to bust up all the monopolies. abolish the Federal Reserve and tear up NAFTA and make sensible tarrifs that keep American Companies from exporting jobs overseas to make products they want to sell here.
Then people can be paid a living wage, and can pay for afordable health care, which would be afordable once you get all the big monopolies out of the insurance and pharmacutical business.
As usual dumb Americans just want to put a band-aide on a gaping wound the just keeps getting worse and worse everytime we slap something half assed and ill concieved on it that only ever benefits the corporations and corporate government and not we the citizens.
I keep hoping at some point Americans wise up that fixing simple problems really just require simple solutions, not 1,000 page Bills!
The reality is they can get away with anything that's in the contract 100% legally.
Congress creates the Contract with them, for you.
The second you sign up or pay a premium or accept a identification number you have accepted the contract.
The reality is we don't need a new health care plan, we need a new government that will follow the constitution, to bust up all the monopolies. abolish the Federal Reserve and tear up NAFTA and make sensible tarrifs that keep American Companies from exporting jobs overseas to make products they want to sell here.
Then people can be paid a living wage, and can pay for afordable health care, which would be afordable once you get all the big monopolies out of the insurance and pharmacutical business.
As usual dumb Americans just want to put a band-aide on a gaping wound the just keeps getting worse and worse everytime we slap something half assed and ill concieved on it that only ever benefits the corporations and corporate government and not we the citizens.
I keep hoping at some point Americans wise up that fixing simple problems really just require simple solutions, not 1,000 page Bills!
reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 08:06 PM by tamusan
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That right there could be the problem. The way bills are pushed through, and often there are many unrelated issues tacked on for increased confusion, or to make sure the bill gets votes. Special interest groups are there to make sure that their agenda's are taken care of. It's not about you or I at the end of the day, but how much they can squeeze out of us before we die.
Maybe Obama had our best interest at the start. I will give him the benefit of the doubt. However, now I think that there is a race for everyone to make sure they are able to get both hands in the pot.
not 1,000 page Bills!
That right there could be the problem. The way bills are pushed through, and often there are many unrelated issues tacked on for increased confusion, or to make sure the bill gets votes. Special interest groups are there to make sure that their agenda's are taken care of. It's not about you or I at the end of the day, but how much they can squeeze out of us before we die.
Maybe Obama had our best interest at the start. I will give him the benefit of the doubt. However, now I think that there is a race for everyone to make sure they are able to get both hands in the pot.
reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 09:00 PM by Animal
Is Obama Selling Us Down the River to Big Pharma? It sure looks like it.
To begin with we must acknowledge that
Now the agreement made between PhRMA and the Obama administration is that the drug companies will promise $80 Billion in saving on prescriptions here in the USA over a period of ten years.
Sounds good, right?
At face value $80 Billion is a HUGE number and of course if going to be seen as a major improvement. Sadly, once you get past the wrapping the package holds nothing but more crap rolling down hill from the drug companies to US citizens.
What is included in this $80 Billion in savings for US citizens is this:
There also remains the question of whether or not the agreement reached between PhRMA and the Bush Administration still stands as well:
The $80 Billion, to be honest, is not a gesture of kindness on the part of PhARMA nor a victory for Obama. PhARMA's mission after all is to influence the government to make decisions that at the least do no harm to the Drug Companies more often to improve their standing. Because these drug companies are CORPORATIONS their whole idea of 'progress' and 'success' is based on increased profitability.
This $80 Billion is simply an attempt to buy-off the government and the people in order to save more money that these corporations would loose if say a Public Option were allowed to be created.
Obama has most certainly dropped the ball on this one. What a shame. But that is the way the political ball is rolling. There has been so much money pumped into preventing the creation of Public Option by Big Business that there has been a major uprising of the people of the USA who are deluded into believing they are acting t preserve their 'personal freedoms' when in fact they are protecting the corporations bottom line.
To begin with we must acknowledge that
Prescription drug manufacturers, represented by their trade and lobbying group, Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), have one of the most powerful and successful lobbies in Congress.link
Now the agreement made between PhRMA and the Obama administration is that the drug companies will promise $80 Billion in saving on prescriptions here in the USA over a period of ten years.
Sounds good, right?
At face value $80 Billion is a HUGE number and of course if going to be seen as a major improvement. Sadly, once you get past the wrapping the package holds nothing but more crap rolling down hill from the drug companies to US citizens.
What is included in this $80 Billion in savings for US citizens is this:
In fact, the Congressional Budget Office projects that if drug manufacturers were required to give Medicare Part D plans the same rebates they give the Medicaid program, the federal government would save $110 billion over ten years—$30 billion more than PhRMA’s offer with that single change.link
There also remains the question of whether or not the agreement reached between PhRMA and the Bush Administration still stands as well:
Language was inserted into the law that explicitly prohibited the government from directly negotiating with drug manufacturers for lower drug prices. That has meant billions of dollars in extra profits and an assurance that the government would not interfere in how they set their prices.link
Their gain was our loss. As I explained in a previous post, evidence shows that the prices negotiated by the private Medicare Part D plans are substantially higher than prices that government-run programs like the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), Medicare Part B, Medicaid and those in other countries are able to obtain for their patients. The private plans' inability to secure better prices has meant higher costs for people with Medicare and for taxpayers.
The $80 Billion, to be honest, is not a gesture of kindness on the part of PhARMA nor a victory for Obama. PhARMA's mission after all is to influence the government to make decisions that at the least do no harm to the Drug Companies more often to improve their standing. Because these drug companies are CORPORATIONS their whole idea of 'progress' and 'success' is based on increased profitability.
This $80 Billion is simply an attempt to buy-off the government and the people in order to save more money that these corporations would loose if say a Public Option were allowed to be created.
Obama has most certainly dropped the ball on this one. What a shame. But that is the way the political ball is rolling. There has been so much money pumped into preventing the creation of Public Option by Big Business that there has been a major uprising of the people of the USA who are deluded into believing they are acting t preserve their 'personal freedoms' when in fact they are protecting the corporations bottom line.
reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 09:55 PM by Animal
reply to post by Animal
In reflection, what I think this issue is emblematic of the un-democratic power that corporation have amassed in the USA.
This reality calls all political parties legitimacy and honor in to question, though does not automatically dictate dishonor or legitimacy.
The seemingly limitless power of corporations to use their financial dominance to sway the political process to meet their needs 'profits and power' above those of the PEOPLE of the United States has continually degraded the quality of life of all US citizens EXCEPT those in positions of economic power.
This power could very easily be countered in a number of ways.
First, contributions to political campaigns could be dramatically reduced, if not removed completely.
Second, the 'person hood' granted to corporations could be erased. Thus making those who run the corporation personally responsible for any action taken by the company that causes harm.
I am sure there are many more examples of methods of limiting the corporations power, a goal I think vital for the protection of American Democracy.
In addition, there needs to be a method to create more accountability with our elected representatives. There should be direct consequences to Obama for selling ou the US people to PhRMA. Such actions are inexcusable.
Corporations have every right to make profits, even huge profits, but there needs to be accountability when profits come at the cost of human well being.
This is simply a free form rant, I look forward to hearing your replies.
In reflection, what I think this issue is emblematic of the un-democratic power that corporation have amassed in the USA.
This reality calls all political parties legitimacy and honor in to question, though does not automatically dictate dishonor or legitimacy.
The seemingly limitless power of corporations to use their financial dominance to sway the political process to meet their needs 'profits and power' above those of the PEOPLE of the United States has continually degraded the quality of life of all US citizens EXCEPT those in positions of economic power.
This power could very easily be countered in a number of ways.
First, contributions to political campaigns could be dramatically reduced, if not removed completely.
Second, the 'person hood' granted to corporations could be erased. Thus making those who run the corporation personally responsible for any action taken by the company that causes harm.
I am sure there are many more examples of methods of limiting the corporations power, a goal I think vital for the protection of American Democracy.
In addition, there needs to be a method to create more accountability with our elected representatives. There should be direct consequences to Obama for selling ou the US people to PhRMA. Such actions are inexcusable.
Corporations have every right to make profits, even huge profits, but there needs to be accountability when profits come at the cost of human well being.
This is simply a free form rant, I look forward to hearing your replies.
reply posted on 9-8-2009 @ 11:03 PM by mostlyspoons
reply to post by tamusan
Follow the money.
Follow the money.
Third line
I'd like to add, we definately are past due for health care REFORM. But this is not reform, this is a selling out of the American Ideal. How can you blindly believe this healthcare bill will be a good thing? I don't think you're ready to pay the real price for what you ask for, because if anyone has any real understanding about the world, they will see this for what it is. I blame the parenting and the media and the schools for raising a bunch of wonderful people you supporters of this nonsense must be. Don't blindly follow this tyrant and his regime. I thought you all had some sense. I'm quite dissapointed with this site as of late, it seems all the reasonable, good natured people are slowly being chased away by you vile bunch. Make no mistake, I'm not talking about any one party here, Bush was a tyrant too! But most of you saw that!! Or so I thought... it seems that many were simply being obedient little republican-hating bleeding hearts. Now you all look like hypocrites! And the republicans are out of control too. (Me? neither rep or dem) Until we can dissolve these ridiculous party lines and go back to NON-PARTISAN REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
[edit on 9-8-2009 by mostlyspoons]
Follow the money.
Follow the money.
Third line
I'd like to add, we definately are past due for health care REFORM. But this is not reform, this is a selling out of the American Ideal. How can you blindly believe this healthcare bill will be a good thing? I don't think you're ready to pay the real price for what you ask for, because if anyone has any real understanding about the world, they will see this for what it is. I blame the parenting and the media and the schools for raising a bunch of wonderful people you supporters of this nonsense must be. Don't blindly follow this tyrant and his regime. I thought you all had some sense. I'm quite dissapointed with this site as of late, it seems all the reasonable, good natured people are slowly being chased away by you vile bunch. Make no mistake, I'm not talking about any one party here, Bush was a tyrant too! But most of you saw that!! Or so I thought... it seems that many were simply being obedient little republican-hating bleeding hearts. Now you all look like hypocrites! And the republicans are out of control too. (Me? neither rep or dem) Until we can dissolve these ridiculous party lines and go back to NON-PARTISAN REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
[edit on 9-8-2009 by mostlyspoons]
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