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reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 11:00 PM by xXUnseenXx
reply to post by Eitimzevinten



Yeah, but this is the explaination that gimme_some_truth gave, If you travel 99.99999 or whatever % of the speed of light away from earths orbit then came back, only a certain time would've passed for you, but a lot more would've passed for earth. Or so he says anyway.

Just wondering. Don't really know what to think yet


reply posted on 27-8-2009 @ 03:37 PM by gimme_some_truth
Originally posted by xXUnseenXx
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post by Eitimzevinten



Yeah, but this is the explaination that gimme_some_truth gave, If you travel 99.99999 or whatever % of the speed of light away from earths orbit then came back, only a certain time would've passed for you, but a lot more would've passed for earth. Or so he says anyway.



So the theory of relativity says. I just simplified it in an attempt to not only help myself further understand the theory but also to help everyone else who may be interested.

Anyway, you have that correct. According to the theory, time slows down for the person moving. The faster they move the more time slows for them. The people who are not traveling at that speed experience time as they always have. Time slowing down for the person moving does not push you forward into the future. It just slows down time for you while the rest of time is moving at a much faster pace. What you have then is a person who just travelled for 6 months (or what have you)m there time and because time has slowed for THEM only, they see that several years has gone by for everyone else.

You got it!


reply posted on 27-8-2009 @ 10:40 PM by Deicide88
How would you solve paradoxes without going into another timeline?



reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 02:49 AM by Eitimzevinten
reply to post by gimme_some_truth



Time doesn't slow down, their observation rate speeds up. All objects involved age the same amount of time but, to the observer inside, they will see things moving much slower. Time was made-up to meausre change. They see slower change if the human body attains the ability to interpret information at that speed upon reaching it however, their one second occurs more often then the lower speed 1 second.

For every 1 second "real" time, 5 seconds or so would pass for the faster observer again, only if their observation rate is adapted to the speed at which they are moving.

Einstein based all his time related findings on the speed of light and assumed that human observation would adapt to any speed they are moving so long as it did not exceed the speed of light (at which point, you "observe" faster than anything that can be seen at our level). The faster something moves, the relatively slower everything else is which could provide an illusion of less time passing however, I'll maintain that the time used for traveling ages everyone and thing the same.

While the observer may feel like less change has happened for them, the ship they are traveling in can be observed from the outside to have aged 3 years as well as everyone else. If the outside of the ship is observed to have aged 3 years in normal time, then the inside of the ship must have as well. If the inside of the ship has also aged 3 years normal time, then so has all its cargo.

If somehow one part of the ship or its cargo had less change happen to it compared to change that was observed that must have happened from the outside, physical particles must have slowed down somewhere along the line. The physical partices are being accelerated more (having more energy) than their outside companions so this hypothetical slow down seems illogical. Aside from having such a vehicle, we'll all have to just keep thinking about it, so at this point, no one really knows how it could all work.


reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 10:39 AM by blackbirdish
reply to post by gimme_some_truth



Wow. I have to say. GREAT post. I really enjoyed reading it. Just two questions:

1. I'm curious where you've learned most of what you know. I love reading and learning, and books on the subject have always fascinated me.

2. Also, it reminds me a lot of what Stan Deyo gave a lecture on a while back, and he mentioned the relationship of UFO crafts and time. Do you have any thoughts on the subject? (Specifically how technology used to cancel gravity alters time.)

Thanks.



reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 03:31 PM by gimme_some_truth
Originally posted by blackbirdish


1. I'm curious where you've learned most of what you know. I love reading and learning, and books on the subject have always fascinated me.



Hi, I have picked most of what I have learned up from a number of various places through out the years. Different books, legit scientific websites and even the occasional TV show. The inspiration and much of the research for this particular article came from a book called " How To Build A Time Machine" By Paul Davies.

2. Also, it reminds me a lot of what Stan Deyo gave a lecture on a while back, and he mentioned the relationship of UFO crafts and time. Do you have any thoughts on the subject? (Specifically how technology used to cancel gravity alters time.)

Thanks.
My take on UFO craft and time... Well from what I have learned, it does not matter whether the craft is of terrestrial or extra-terrestrial origin. If it is capable of accelerating away from Earth ( Or any other planet) at a high rate of speed time for the observer ( the person in the craft) will be affected in a way that it slows down for them.

As for technology used to cancel gravity altering time, admittedly I don't really know much about that. There were quite a few posts in this thread discussing theories that included that idea but if I recall they were pretty much crack pot theories that science has pretty much proven incorrect.

Besides, if you are in space travelling , gravity would not really be a factor anyway. That is, if I am understanding your question correctly. If not Feel free to slap me upside the head and reword it.

Peace and love


reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 09:50 PM by lazimodo
reply to post by james420



From a physical science theoretical perspective, travel to the future is not possible because,

1) it does not yet exist,

2) according to string theory, by observing the future, you would change it to the observable string and not necessarily the expected string of contiguous outcome. Disjointed time, where random and instantaneous paradigms of massive change and upheaval are common occurrence. Like let's say, you go to bed as a Chef in Paris and wake up as a plumber in No-Where, Idaho. Bonjour Mssr. , ou a le biddet? Sacre Blu. Or you go go to church and its a bank. You go out for food and become food.

3) Since these tectonic shifts in spatial and temporal location do not occur in the present, they do not occur in our future, nor in our past, so logically, its copper plated conclusion that since there are no time travelers, there never was, and could never be. Otherwise they would already be here. I hope you understand the elemental logic of that fascinating argument.

But all is not lost. Travel behind the present is not in contra to any physical laws, that are specific to our current physical construct. I do think that visiting the past is within the realm of possibility, but highly improbable. By the time man throws off the tribal blinders the Sun will have dwarfed and the Earth will again be a dark chunk of rock floating in the periphery of the cosmos, so if there is a entity living on that rock on the outer fringes of the universe somewhere in the dark future of the planet, we call Earth, he should fire up his time machine and put a big Yellow Sticky Note on our collective fridge.

Inter-dimensional travel, l where you you could slide to a existence previously invisible to you and then warp time before returning to a existence known to you could be a way to visit the ancient past. Just remember that time does not exist. Clocks are mechanical devices that mimic the rotational characteristics of the earth and sun. Time is not a dimension. Its a device that busy folks use to keep every thing from happening all at a once. Peace Love Out.

Laz


reply posted on 18-12-2009 @ 08:14 AM by zosomike
reply to post by gimme_some_truth



Have you read 'The Elegant Universe' by Brian Greene?

Incredible expansion on what you're posting.

One of my favourite books!

Much love...


reply posted on 20-12-2009 @ 11:47 PM by gimme_some_truth
Originally posted by zosomike
reply to
post by gimme_some_truth



Have you read 'The Elegant Universe' by Brian Greene?


I have read bits of it, but never the whole thing... Every time I picked it up life got in the way... Things are going slow right now, so I think I may go grab it off of my bookshelf.

Thanks!

Peace and love


reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 02:30 PM by gimme_some_truth
reply to post by tauristercus



It truly is a great thread.... Now I am not saying that because I authored it. I am saying that because of what everyone else has made of it!

There have been so many great, intelligent well thought out posts that have added so much to this thread. I can honestly say that this thread would not be what it is without you guys.

This thread is the perfect example of what ATS is about, intelligence, civility, decorum, and much more...

There has even been a spin off thread or two... Which is great, because we were able to inspire others to write yet another great thread!

Now I wonder, I have had a few books suggested to me. Most recently 'The Elegant Universe"...

I wonder if there are any other books regarding time travel, Physics and other such topics that have come up, that make a great read....

Anybody have any other suggestions?
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