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The truth about you and everyone and everything else and what 2012 is all about.

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posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 02:01 PM
This link leads to an article, which is a transcript of users of ATS asking questions and getting answers accordingly.
In order to understand it fully it must be read in it's entirety, that is about 54 A4 sheets of text.
if you feel you are not up for it, then please try anyway.

After reading all of it myself I became a different man, in a postive way. All this information resonates with my soul, it passed the test of my soul either "feeling' it to be true or not. And now I know,it is.

Again,i must stress that reading snippets of it is not the way to go reading this. It will leave a totally false impression.So take a day for it if you have to to read it fully not skipping any parts.

And what is most important, suspend your judgment for the whole time reading this(it wasn't easy for me but I accomplished that), once read, you can then after analyze it and take from it what you will. But for the time reading it,don't critisize or judge it,jsut read it for what it is and see if it resonates with your inner feelings about reality,2012 and so forth.

the link

[edit on 8/8/2009 by Valeri]

posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 02:02 PM
What link?
There is no link.
Dont matter i wouldnt read it anyway.

edit: ok fixed

[edit on 8-8-2009 by pazcat]

posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 02:06 PM
This has been discussed to death on this forum, in multiple other threads.

And I've been told the "truth" about 2012, including this one, about 150 times in the past year.

How bout we simply let time decide what will happen eh? That sounds like a less stressfull and comfortable environment.


posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 02:14 PM
That website is posting questions that were asked by ATS members but is not giving credit to the posters who asked the questions.

That is TOTALLY shady.

I knew that Hidden Hand guy was a shady cat, now we have proof.

I have complained to ATS management. You can't just steal what someone else wrote and not bother to mention who wrote it.


posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 04:51 PM
Actuallly if you had read it you would know(and the thread is still on ATS easily readable) that the OP-the one answering gave permission to post his answers to the questions on any other site as long as they keep all the questions and answers in tact in its full length.

Simple and logical completely.nothing shady about that.

And as far as just living is easier...well one could say being ignorant is much more easier than actually trying to understand things(in general)

And I DID mention that once fully read it, you can make up your own mind. But without giving the information any chance a person is only showing his own ignorance when critisizing something.

[edit on 8/8/2009 by Valeri]

posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 05:41 PM
I think it's impossible for anyone to read through 54 pages without reflecting on the material along the way as the OP suggests.
And even if it were possible it would certainly not be advisable.

It's obviously very coherent and very complex, but convincing as it may seem, I believe there is a very good reason to disregard everything this "Hidden Hand" has to say:

First of let's assume that "Hidden Hand" (HH) really is part of the Illuminati and this is not just some hoax or psy-ops (BIG assumption)

Then we assume that this HH character is actually telling the truth - another HUGE assumption, knowing that deception and trickery are trademarks of the Illuminati.

But even if HH is the real deal and is telling the truth, there is every reason to assume that HH himself has been lied to and manipulated by his superiors, who again probably have been lied to and manipulated by their superiors etc.

Remember that "the lie is different at every level"

Most likely this is a hoax, but I'll admit that I got a very sinister, manipulative vibe from this HH.
He may believe the worldview that he is presenting but it is, at best, a very, very subjective one.

posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 05:09 PM
but what good would the deception and trickery do if he is obviously propagating helping and loving people around you. Basically saying that there is much negativity i nthis world,but you/we are able to overcome it if we only realized that we are all One and the rest would follow.

What good would such hugely positive reading material be for the ones who wish us harm in retrospect ?

As many said, it's the message that counts,not the messenger.
I agree with that because our thoughts indeed are very powerful and make up the reality we experience so that message only helped along with creating a positive environment.

Obviously a hoaxer would not be as coherent and written so much as this poster has

What was written there truly resonated with my whole being and with those of my friends as well as I have found out.
So I stress again, don't buy it as Hidden Hand says, just give it a chance and then see if it resonates with you as your truth or not.
i actually support not buying everything you read, but do give it a chance please.

posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 04:45 PM
reply to post by Valeri

Regardless of whether the ATS member give him/her permission to post the content from here or not, the other site should be linking back to the original content here.

That is most definitely SHADY and unethical ( or ignorant of netiquette/copyright/creative commons) as well.

Giving the benefit of the doubt, that site owner is a nube at webmastering, you might want to inform him/her of the proper way to use content from other sites.

There's no excuse since we provide a "copyright" button with the very simple and very friendly creative commons licensure requirements on the bottom of every post on this site.


posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 04:50 PM
belief w/o evidence is called dogma.

I hate the rule about one line posts, my post requires no explanation and completes my train of thought, and many people will be able to get more from my one line than the OP. Sigh.

posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 04:57 PM
reply to post by Valeri

The truth about you and everyone and everything else and what 2012 is all about

First, I do understand that this issue and well over, this story has been hashed, pummeled and then beaten to a bloody pulp here a hundred times and elsewhere. But you know, it survives.

It survives the skeptic, it survives the debunker, it survives the rabid disbeliever, it survives even itself... until it comes around again.

It is an impressive belief... 2012, that is, simply because like UFOs and Nessie and Big Foot and a million JFK theories, it survives in spite of itself and a million more reasons not to believe.

In the end, 2012 may be the end, a beginning or something in between or... still nothing at all. But no matter, it is here and it is now and regardless of that million reasons NOT to even listen to one more single word, we do.

In the end, we are a part of history being made and no matter what does happen, we will be remembered for as long as tales are told and shared.

Just my personal opinion but... don't gripe. Take part in it.


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