Palin: Obama's 'death panel' would decide Trig's care

Palin: Obama's 'death panel' would decide Trig's care

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From CNN Political Producer Rebecca Sinderbrand

(CNN) — Sarah Palin is accusing President Obama’s health care plan of looking to create a “death panel” that would weigh whether her parents or son Trig were “worthy of health care.”

"Americans delve into the disturbing details of the nationalized health care plan that the current administration is rushing through Congress, our collective jaw is dropping, and we’re saying not just no, but hell no!" the former Alaska governor said in a post on her Facebook page late Friday.

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Wow, some pretty strong language here from the former Alaskan Governor and Republican Party sweetheart.

Yet for all the inflammatory fear mongering involved her points are valid. The risks are tremendously high of letting the Government and Bureaucrats in a Council for Foreign Relations in love with Eugenics and Euthanasia theories run government have the outright reigns of Health Care in the United States.

The fact that the Administration has no real Bill as of yet and is just testing the waters through contentious Town Hall Meetings where staged political theatre from both sides of the aisle drowns out the legitimate concerns of independents looking for real answers as to whether Government Sponsored and Controlled Socialized Medicine is a good or realistic idea is just adding fuel to this fire.

Many Americans hit by back to back massive sweeping legislation with price tags in the trillions of dollars that were rushed through Congress by representatives who plainly admitted to not having time to read them or having read them before voting on them has many Americans alarmed.

A huge giveaway of Federal Reserve funny money is one thing, when it gets down to a person’s health and health care it becomes a lot more personal.

While many Americans are unable to afford Health Care and feel it’s their rightful due as human beings to have the government provide it and perceive perhaps incorrectly that it will come without some significant cost to them are anxious for any Health Plan as opposed to no Health Plan, many cooler wiser heads want to see whether the Health Plan is a healthy thing for them first.

I have concerns and so do a lot of other people.

Government needs to slow down and think this through and put the brakes on the strong arm intimidation rush tactics and let Americans decide by seeing a real Bill that really will be voted on in the form that it’s presented to Americans first.


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Wow. That's probably the smartest thing that I've ever seen Sarah Palin say.

Be forewarned about all the liberals and all the haters who hate her. I have my dislikes about her.

But that really speaks to it. She just told it how it is. I agree. The government needs to slow down. There is no reason to rush a national health care system in America just because we're the only country that doesn't have one as for the consequences that you've mentioned.

Wow. That's all I can say.

Good thread.

I can't stand Sarah Palin but I'm actually glad she is calling the Admin out on this one.
This thing is really starting to get people riled up. Last night going through one of these threads I lost my own temper. Try as I might some of these issues are just completely inflammatory.

The admin is going to be in for a very big surprise if they don't pump their brakes.

PS - Furthermore, I am getting very tired of hearing these liars tell us this stuff has to be done in order to save our economy. You don't spend your way out of debt. It is a foolish notion.

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Sarah Palin just might be the main reason I voted for Osama. With that said, she just got my attention, and maybe I need to reevaluate my overall opinion of her. At one time I supported national healthcare. Lately, I am not so sure. The dumbest thing I may have done in my life is vote for Obama.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
Wow. That's probably the smartest thing that I've ever seen Sarah Palin say.

Be forewarned about all the liberals and all the haters who hate her. I have my dislikes about her.

But that really speaks to it. She just told it how it is. I agree. The government needs to slow down. There is no reason to rush a national health care system in America just because we're the only country that doesn't have one as for the consequences that you've mentioned.

Wow. That's all I can say.

I agree. I haven't really followed Sarah or listened to her speak during the campaign or afterwards but what she is pointing out is pretty much just common sense.

How can we trust a cash strapped lying government to not adminster Health Care as a form of for profit Tax where life and death decisions on citizen care are determined solely on their revenue earning potential?

I don't think we can, and if Congress has proved one thing, it's once they have a program they will keep modifying and expanding it and changing the rules often by piggy backing the legislation onto other unrelated Bills.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Wow, some pretty strong language here from the former Alaskan Governor and Republican Party sweetheart.

I know, but expected. She always uses libelous hyperbole to attack her political opponents.

Because the private sector doesn't do the same thing?

Oh but leave her family out of it!!

What a hypocrite.

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Jay to be honest with you the Government is starting to remind me of a street gang. In street lingo they call it Bum Rushing. Its a rushed shuck and jive to scam you out of something by trying to entice you into buying or wagering on something without giving you time to consider or inspect it first.

It's pretty clear that Health Care will be a TAX and that the Government will adminster that pool of money looking to make a profit off of it, and looking to borrow from it just like with Social Security.

I think to that end they are telling the truth that they need to get in to health care because they know it's going to be political suicide to raise taxes in the immediate wake of the bailouts while unemployment is still high, inflation is creeping up, and the economy on main street continues to detoriate.

I think they feel with a Universal Health Care Program everyone can 'Afford' and everyone has to pay for and buy unless they can prove private insurance that it will take in billions of dollars of revenue quickly and they can use the float amongst other things as they stall paying health care providers like hospitals and doctors 2 to 3 months from the time they present the Bill.

It will give the government a huge influx of cash to manage or better put mismanage and frankly I think that is why we are being bum rushed on it.

Just another scam to seperate us from our cash and give us little real value for it.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Wow, some pretty strong language here from the former Alaskan Governor and Republican Party sweetheart.

I know, but expected. She always uses libelous hyperbole to attack her political opponents.

Well but here is the thing Hunka we have no way of knowing that she is wrong in her fears.

But hey you keep doing a stellar job at attacking the messenger instead of dealing with the message.

Frankly I don't trust the Government whether it's run by Republicans or run by Democrats to adminster something like Health Care.

I do fear they would do it just for a financial profit and to manage the population through eugenics and euthanasia and frankly there is no precedent to say that they wouldn't just like there is none to say that they would because in America we have always used free enterprise and not socialization when it comes to things people normally make their own purchasing decisions on.

But since you have no Health Care plan to sell, and don't know what's going to be in the Health Care Plan feel free to keep attacking and libeling anyone who does have questions or concerns, after all it is free, at least until it leads to violence and rioting in the streets.

Oops too late, there is a price Hunka for playing silly blame games!

Disclaimer: Sarah Palin Is NOT Fit For Politics.

There now that I have that out of the way.

I agree with her 100% on this issue.

Now that took alot for me to say, I'm usually the first to jump and say that Palin is a whackjob, but I know where she's coming from.

I have 3 family members who have down syndrome and my son has a very severe form of Auto Immune disease. I would be up in arms if I lived in the states right now over Obamacare.

Nationalized healthcare does work, I'm not disputing that, but not in this socialist form he's presenting it.

I think this would lead to thousands of untreated folk, simply because they were not "worthy" of care. What a ridiculous notion.

Man, I think Palin needs a talk show, that should be her venue, cause she's be good at just running her mouth on live TV to an audience, she speeaks about good issues, but as far as government goes.... it's a big .

~Keeper

Originally posted by tamusan
Sarah Palin just might be the main reason I voted for Osama. With that said, she just got my attention, and maybe I need to reevaluate my overall opinion of her. At one time I supported national healthcare. Lately, I am not so sure. The dumbest thing I may have done in my life is vote for Obama.

I missed Sarah on the campaign trail! I swear getting rid of my TV...the best darn thing I have ever done in life!

She is way to conservative for my tastes but the sad reality that too many people are missing right now is a typically dumb conservative republican or a typically dumb liberal democrat can on occassion come up with some brilliant ideas.

The Democrats right now have little of substance to say, and while the independents and the republicans question them on the absence of hard facts and the rush to do things absent the details no one is even considering listening to one another.

The independents and republicans can't listen to the Democrats because all they have to say is don't criticize us it's not valid, don't question us you have no right.

The Democrats won't listen to the independents or the Republicans because they don't want to be questioned because they know they have no real answers other than they want something in theory that isn't properly or completely formulated yet to let people decide if it's a good idea.

That is poor leadership on the part of the Administration, it lacks substance, and it lacks thought as well.

I wouldn't have voted for Obama or McCain but the reality is in a true representative democracy you get to vote every day by speaking out and about the issues being voted on everyday.

Sadly the current Administration and the Democratic Party really does seem to want to put an end to that citizen participation in Government and be given a blank check to rule and pass laws no questions asked no criticism allowed.

Can anyone show me proof of these death panels?


I'm hearing this from most of you:

"SP is a crackpot but she's right on this!"

So why is she right on this?

Please... evidence... not fear. Links, not conjecture.

Honestly... why do you feel this way?

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I really think she stepped down as Governor to take a more vissible agitant roll in the public spotlight and politics.

I don't really know where she stands on any issues so I can't really comment on her value as a politician.

I don't like politicians!

Yet your fear is my fear. I have five kids and thank the lucky stars they are all healthy but I don't want the government deciding their fate via a State Controlled Health Care System.

It is simply an absolutely absurd notion that the Government taking over health care when the government already operates on a huge deficit could possibly be good for the economy, health care, or the Government unless they have a plan to profit off it, and the only way they can profit off of it, is providing less care than the insurers do in order to cut costs, or to dictate costs and force quality oriented health care specialists out of the country or out of practice all together.

Jackson Memorial Hospital here in Miami linked to the University of Miami Medical School is the current public health trust in South Florida.

If you have no insurance and you are sick or injured that is where they are going to take you.

Some of the best Doctors in the world practice at Jackson and teach at the University of Miami Medical School.

The doctors litterally come from all over the world to do that, often from countries that have socialized medicine because they know they are going to get paid top dollar for state of the art and cutting edge treatments and skills and recieve the largest grants and best research facilities to keep developing state of the art medicine and skills.

Often the uninsured end up being operated or treated by such accomplished doctors at Jackson and charity picks up the tab, and the county and state pick up part of the tab if they are truly indegent.

No one dies for lack of treatment, and those who might not be able to afford state of the art treatments for terminal diseases are at least given beds and sustinance and basic medicines to minimize their discomfort and die humanely.

Take the incentive to earn unlimited income out of medicine and you loose the best doctors. Give the government the check book and let them decide who is worth the costliest treatments based on a ahem 'prognosis' for full recovery and you do have the government deciding who lives and dies based on it's criteria.

Run the other insurers out of business by offering a similiar slightly substandard program initially at a far reduced cost and pretty soon the reamining insurers can't afford to stay in the business and then all you have is government health care or cash and if you don't have cash you are screwed.

My landlord's daughter in law worked for Humana here in Miami for 20 years up until 2 weeks ago when her and hundreds of others were laid off.

It would seem to me the private Insurers see the writing on the wall and starting to downsize in advance to manage their own exit from the market as profitably as they can.

There is a lot not right and very fish about this rush for Health Care and something far more sinister about it than in Hillary's attempt when Clinton first got elected.

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If he'd give us a little transparency, we could know what is going on. He is keeping us in the dark, and he promised not to. I don't know what is in the reform bill, that is why I am against it. I don't want peoples fantasies about what is in the bill, I want to see everything before it is passed.

Obama has already tweaked me. I don't care if he solves all the problems known to man in the next few years, I am going to vote against him. Just as I voted against McCain/Palin.

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Hunka how can there be proof when there is no plan?

Do you get the fact that there is no Health Plan in a votable and finalized form?

Do you get the fact that our Congress always expands things passed into Law later by attaching countless amendments and additions to the Laws into other Bills and vote changes into law with out it even being really noticible because the changes are piggy packed into other non-related Bills.

No one can show you proof there will be Death Panels though obviously a review process has to be included just like private insurers have a review process.

You though can't prove there won't be Death Panels because there is no finalized Bill as of yet up for a vote.

That's why you just have to resort to attacking critics and questioning their motives without offering a shred of anything of why anyone should be in favor of the health bill beyond you wanting to no longer have to pay for your employees insurance.

If I were you I wouldn't spend the windfall profits on a Hawaiian vacation so you can visit your Mesiah's Manger just yet buddy.

And where exactly did Palin get this information from? It's certainly not in any of the bills that are in front of the Senate or House. It's never appeared in any policy statement or plan by Obama or those proposing reform on health care.

So if Palin is going to make those sorts of accusations, which are really quite serious, she really should back them up with some sort of facts. Yes, those pesky old facts that have a habit of deflating the best of political rants.

There is only one reference that I am aware of in the proposed bill that might have even a slight relationship with Palin's statements, although the path from reality to her claims is tortuous, locking in logic and coherence, so it is hard to say. For those of us who have had the experience of making end of life decisions for loved ones -- and by that I mean issues like honoring living wills by saying no or yes to heroic resuscitation and the like -- knows that it is a time of intense emotion. Right now, medical professionals often provide support for us at those time by sitting down and discussing with us what the medical implications of our decisions are, which helps us be more sure that the decision we are making is the right one for us and our loved one. The only thing the legislation proposed does is ensure that medical personnel are paid for their time when they take on that end of life support task.

That's it. The bill says that this vital service (and until you have been through it you don't realize how vital it is) which is performed free in most cases now, should be something that those who provide it are compensated for. Nothing more. No death panels. No end of life decisions being made by those other than next of kin. No changes to how it is now except to compensate doctors for doing it.

I really long for the days of conservatives like William F. Buckley who understood what a logical argument was and brought intellectual rigor to the conservative position. Oh for a good Eisenhower conservative!

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Ok, so what you are basically saying is that even though you think SP is pretty nutty, you believe she is right saying that Obama has death panels in mind only because you haven't seen the bill?


So you believe anything because you have no proof otherwise? No matter how ludicrous it may sound at first glance?

I can understand your desire to view a plan, have transparency etc. I'm with you there.

But to venerate an idiot like SP just because you haven't seen it yet doesn't seem like a way that will actually be productive.

Folks like me would definitely support and echo the case for transparency... but that doesn't make some "maverick" from Alaska spouting absurdities an authority.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire

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I think america should have a national healthcare system..but let it be known that governments in other nations do not run it.Atleast here in the uk it is run by managers who understand the healthcare system more than a politician ever could.If i read obamas health care bill properly though it seems the usa government would have alot of say in it....i wouldn't trust them to run a lemonade stall nevermind the healthcare of 300 odd million citizens.

Originally posted by Solomons
I think america should have a national healthcare system..but let it be known that governments in other nations do not run it.Atleast here in the uk it is run by managers who understand the healthcare system more than a politician ever could.If i read obamas health care bill properly though it seems the usa government would have alot of say in it....i wouldn't trust them to run a lemonade stall nevermind the healthcare of 300 odd million citizens.

Solomons... Fair enough... what section of the bill seems to be different from Englands?

Is this also true of Frances model? I understand it's one of the best in the world.