Why I'm Tired of People Opposed to Health Care Reform

Originally posted by badgerprints

Originally posted by LoneGunMan

You can't afford your insurance but have it anyway?
Wait til you get to pay taxes on those insurance premiums you are paying and then get even worse coverage than you have now.

I can afford the insurance I cant afford my portion of the healthcare cost.

Who are all these people that love big insurance and big pharma?

We deserve to be the laughing stock of the free world.

These people that are against it are the same ones that wanted to let Bush drive up the budget for a war over oil and line the pockets of Haliburton.

Now we get something that may just benefit US and they buy the lies spun by the insurance companies.

reply to post by LoneGunMan


You're a public servant? OMG I hope not. You have a poor attitude, which probbaly doesn't help your health.

Last time I checked the democrats seemed to be running everything and are not asking for conservative input. Don't blame conservatives for questioning this unknown legislation. We are certainly not in a position to stop the democrats from doing whatever they wish.

I think the only fear is that things will get worse if government takes over the private health industry, that's all. Prove that it won't and win people to your side.

Originally posted by Xtinguish

Originally posted by Angus123
There is nothing "grass roots" about these protesters. They are organized by the drug and insurance companies and their bought and paid for members of Congress both Republican and Democrat.

And all the red faced screaming "concerned Americans" are either great actors or really really dim witted and easily manipulated. But I suspect it's a mix of both.

I'm sure the evidence you have of this is completely overwhelming.

Hey! Know what! Don't even source it. It's so obvious! Why even bother to back up your ridiculous claims?

Why waste my time sourcing when you'd not read it anyway?
And why would you after all. Fox News tells you everything you need to know right?

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
After reading just part of the crazed Christian rights comments to this post I have to agree they are all idiots.

Before this century I could afford to go to the Doctor and the hospital. My insurance company covered enough of the cost that it was nearly affordable, not quite but enough that I could take care of my health.

I cant anymore. I have health insurance and pay out my butt for it but I cant afford to go to the Doctor of the ER. My blood pressure is 170/100, I am a Firefighter/EMT and I cant afford it.

I have to wait until I have an stroke.

I dont know what to say...these insurance companies have enough money to manipulate the media and these goobers lap it up.

I just cant believe it. I thought for sure when we finally got someone as POTUS that was not against the people and only for the corporations and banks we would have decent healthcare that I can maybe live past retirement and not wear my body out from my blood pressure and die too young.

These right wing selfish stupid pigs are not going to let that happen though.

Next time you right wingers dial 911 to have Fire/Rescue save your life think of me, I am dieing from high blood pressure because my insurance wont pay enough for me to take care of my family and have healthcare at the same time.

[edit on 8-8-2009 by LoneGunMan]

Health insurance costs to much. Don't you think its a little wiser for the government to work on making it affordable instead of continueing to add to our deficit?

All I saw in your post was a whiny fireman who sounded like a 5 year old. All your post said was "me, me, me, me, Im a fireman feel bad for me".

Stop being selfish and instead of acting like a teenage boy with his first playboy, try and think a little. Stop and ask yourself if free health care is the right thing to do right now or if taking baby steps and making health insurance more affordable is the wiser move at this point.

If you don't do anything else though, don't think that everyone who is opposed to this is a right wing christian. That makes you an idiot fireman.

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Now let me tell YOU a little something about the healthcare system. 3 years ago, I had unfortunately gotten a kidney stone that I was told by the doctors, was too big to pass it through naturally. I was obviously in a lot of pain, and even if I had been able to pass it through naturally, I have little threshold for pain. I had to take a whole week off work while I was at the hospital. After being released, my health insurance paid for EVERYTHING, except for the $20 copay for the followup where they removed the "tube" from inside. Had I NOT had my health insurance, I would've had to pay upwards of $7,000.00 for all the tests that they had to administer.

Now I will admit that somebody WAS trying to sham me out of more money, but it wasn't my insurance. It was actually the Ambulance unit that transported me from my home to the hospital. Believe it or not, it was my INSURANCE that helped me settle the matter so I didn't have to pay for the ambulance. Imagine that, an insurance company that actually helped out its customers! ingenious!

Call it a farce if it makes you feel better. But I was VERY glad to have my health insurance at the time. Now you want to take that away from me so I can have a crappier insurance just so your lazy a** can have one too, instead of trying to get your own the "old fashioned american way"?

Some of you people are in REAL need to go back to basic traditions. Many of you people have been raised as nothing more than spoiled brats, who want EVERYTHING just handed to you on a silver platter, then justify it with "It SHOULD be a basic right" Yeah I know, I used to be a liberal hippie idealist too when I was in college. I used to think that college education ALSO should be guaranteed. Then I went out into the real world, and realized how idiotic that idea was. Luckily though, growing up I was raised with good old fashioned traditional ideas, that "if you want something, you have to work for it" and once I left college and went back into my real element, I realized again how true that statement is and forgot those cockamamie hippie ideas.

Personally I'm tired of Idiots for Nationalized Health Care.

Socializing though Single Payer



Would be about Socializing....uh, uh...would be about basically taking over and the government running all your Companies

Originally posted by Angus123

Originally posted by Xtinguish

Originally posted by Angus123
There is nothing "grass roots" about these protesters. They are organized by the drug and insurance companies and their bought and paid for members of Congress both Republican and Democrat.

And all the red faced screaming "concerned Americans" are either great actors or really really dim witted and easily manipulated. But I suspect it's a mix of both.

I'm sure the evidence you have of this is completely overwhelming.

Hey! Know what! Don't even source it. It's so obvious! Why even bother to back up your ridiculous claims?

Why waste my time sourcing when you'd not read it anyway?
And why would you after all. Fox News tells you everything you need to know right?

If you have proof of this I would like to read it.

A news article saying they are actors isn't proof.

Originally posted by Violet Sky
reply to post by jd140

 

You know, I agree that people shouldn't be handed everything on a silver platter. If you work hard, you should have something to show for it.

But, I'm thinking that health care should be separate from prestige rewards like nice car, house, clothes, vacations, etc...

Health care should be a basic right. No one should be hungry, or turned away from medical care. I'm not saying give them a mansion, new car and a trip to Tahiti. Just the bare necessities to sustain life.

That is why I said make health insurance affordable. If you read my whole post then you will see that I'm not completely against universal health care.

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Then what's the point?
Believe what you will.

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Nobody said anything about taking anything away from you. That is great that your health insurance worked for you. Be still, and try not to get excited by what I wrote about my own circumstances. I never said anything about taking anything from you. I too have had insurance that worked out great, including the birth of my son. I only paid $700 out of the $17,000 bill for a normal delivery and 24 hour stay in the hospital. Some things are "covered" and some are not.

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Thank you for that. I had seen those before but placed here is very appropriate. That Maxine Waters one is classic. Even her colleagues were laughing at her stupidity of admitting she wants socialism.

Honestly, about 97% of congress needs to be thrown out NOW, and hold new elections for all the seats, with NONE of the ones thrown out allowed to run again for at least 8 years.

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
reply to post by jd140

 

Let me tell you something about healthcare insurance. I used to spend $300 a month for my insurance to cover my family. When I took my son to the doctor to get his required shots it cost me $150 out of my own pocket each time. I thought what the hell good is insurance that I pay for that doesn't cover what I need. I did the math and figured out that I should just save my money and pay cash out of pocket the times that I need to see the doctor. I canceled my insurance.

I returned to the doctor for my sons two year check up. Another series of shots was required. I had no insurance, and didn't qualify for medicare. The doctor gave the shots, and upon leaving I paid $50 out of my pocket. I asked the doctor why this time was so cheap, and they told me when I was on insurance the insurance company would only cover the expensive brand of the shot. Since I had no insurance I received the free government shot and all I paid for was the administration of the shot.

This is why insurance is a farce. They dictate certain procedures that aren't necessary. They dictate certain drugs. The argument that government would dictate to your doctor is a possibility I must admit, but it's already happening from the insurance companies working with all the drug companies to administer their brands of medication at higher prices, and probably unneeded treatments as well.

Sounds like a personal problem.

Health insurance needs restructured, no doubt about that, but to spend money we don't have so that you can go to the doctor for free is ignorant.

Originally posted by Angus123
reply to post by jd140

 

Then what's the point?
Believe what you will.

The point is that I can show you a news article that says that bigfoot married a California woman, but it doesn't make it real.

To be more realistic, I can show you an article that counters yours.

If you have proof then I would lilke to see it, but just another news article saying they are actors isn't proof.

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
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Nobody said anything about taking anything away from you. That is great that your health insurance worked for you. Be still, and try not to get excited by what I wrote about my own circumstances. I never said anything about taking anything from you. I too have had insurance that worked out great, including the birth of my son. I only paid $700 out of the $17,000 bill for a normal delivery and 24 hour stay in the hospital. Some things are "covered" and some are not.

Really? because according to the bill, if my circumstances change in anyway shape or form, I change jobs for example, after this bill is passed, I CANNOT use a private insurer, I HAVE to use the public option regardless of whether I want to or not. You say they're NOT trying to take it away from me? For the love of god, don't kid yourself!

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Health care reform is not a bad idea in and of itself. The problem is that is not what Obama wants. He does not want health care reform, what he does want is for goverment to take over all healthcare for every American when all is said and done.

He wants a gateway my friend, a gateway to goverment being involved in every aspect of your life. Don't you see that healthcare is the obvious way to achieve such a goal?

Before you make your next post, take care to do some research into exactly what your president wants, see what he has said on the issue, use your common sense as to what the outcome probably will be.

Healthcare reform? lol, this has nothing to do with healthcare reform.

Originally posted by allclear

Look at the Canada health care plan, its a freeking joke. Most people from Canada come to the United States to get proper health care.......Now were gonna switch to a health care plan like Canada.......This is going to kill alot people, young and old alike

Ridiculous. I have family in Canada and many friends. While the system is not wonderful, it is very good and a safety net for millions. A majority of Canadians feel extremely lucky of their program, especially when looking to the south.

My aunt, a STAUNCH liberal supporter, and an educator (union member on top of that) went to Canada several times for vacation, she disagrees with you wholeheartedly. She was surprised some people have to wait months to get any kind of care.

Originally posted by jd140

Health insurance costs to much. Don't you think its a little wiser for the government to work on making it affordable instead of continueing to add to our deficit?



I wont even entertain the rest of your post.

I will answer this part though.

Take the ALL the profit out. No need to have insurance companies, we can pool our money and it will cost much less.

Get rid of 3/4 of our military, then we could have health care and college for everyone and not cost us anything extra. In fact our taxes would go down.

reply to post by Helious


Agreed, this is all about power, power over people and resources. If every Americans lives were dependent upon the good graces of a govt. run "healthcare" system, well... God help us is all I can say.

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If you are getting the same care for free, what's the problem with switching to a new health care plan?

Originally posted by Violet Sky
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If you are getting the same care for free, what's the problem with switching to a new health care plan?

because nothing is free as far as the government is concerned. Someone has to pay, and that wont be the ones who aren't paying in now, and have no intention of paying into the system.