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Originally posted by mikerussellus
I think your premise is wrong. People are shouting at these townhall meetings because THEY already know what is in the bill. Any talk, pablum, diatribe, out of DC is just that. Talk. They are trying to sell a bill that does not help anyone.
The poor get medical care already. If this bill passes, they would get lower quality of care.
A main cost (especially in California) is treating illegal immigrants. With this bill, they would still get that care.
Unions, elected officials are exempt from this type of healthcare.
Coming from the UK (I'm now an american) it is socialized medicine. This bill takes control from the people and places it in the hands of those elite that think they nkow better than us.
Bush spent trillions. Obama has spent trillions more. Comparing those two won't work.
The minutia in this bill (HR 3200) is disgusting. Long lines, longer waits, lower standards of care, letting the elderly, the mentally challenged, the very young, die is a nightmare.
This plan forces the avaliability of abortion onto a system that voted not to have it.
Most people in this country are happy with their current system. Does it need to be improved? You're damn right it does. But changes this radical won't make a bad sitution better, it'll make it worse.
[edit on 8-8-2009 by mikerussellus]
Originally posted by bladerunner44
reply to post by js331975
Just read the bill then come back and post intelligently on the topic. You will not like the consequences when they ram this through. Or are you a Dr kavorkian devotee
Originally posted by rival
For me, this all started with 9/11 and the Patriot Act.
HURRY, HURRY, HURRY....PASS THE BILL....OR THE SKY WILL FALL!
I've got one for ya...
HURRY, HURRY, HURRY...Pass the bill to audit the Fed...OR THE SKY WILL FALL.
NO...don't read it...there is NO TIME....JUST HURRY. Just pass it!
WE have to know where the ten trillion dollars that has gone missing went.
So PASS THE BILL....HURRY. IF we could get our ten trillion back, EVERYTHING
WILL BE OKAY....
Originally posted by js331975
This was a note written by a friend of mine. She's an individual that doesn't react emotionally but rather thinks things through. Also I've included a response to her post.Okay people. I’d like to clarify some things.
First I want to say that the reason I posted that yesterday was because I had spent part of the afternoon doing my usual on the interweb, when I saw video of people disrupting the town hall meetings that have been arranged throughout the country to try to explain single payer healthcare. The protesters have been chanting nonsense and screaming over the speakers as they try to inform the public of what it’s all about. See, they have been unable to explain it – just explain it – through other regular channels because of people like Fox News etc. who rip it apart without letting the information get out there. In this day and age people do not look for information, they do not research or inform themselves, they take what is readily given to them. And when supposedly impartial journalists are shouting at you that the government just wants to tax you into the next century, it causes otherwise reasonable people to panic and get angry, which is exactly what they want to happen.
These people shouting were a ‘grassroots protest’ designed to disrupt the exchange of information and that pisses me off. It’s one thing to protest an idea or something terrible that is happening, and I am all for that - trust me, but to protest informing the public is absurd. Idiotic.
This is living proof that it is not just the information you are given but the quality of that information. How can you make up your own mind and make your own choices if you do not expose yourself to all sides of an issue?
You have to question the motives of any group of people that does not want you to think for yourself.
Right now the conservative right is angry. They lost big this last election, and are going out of their way to sabotage every move, every decision, every idea this new administration has so that they can say “See, it doesn’t work. It’s going to cost you more in taxes and make life harder than it already is.” Then you’ll vote for them again and everything will go back to the status quo – which as you can clearly see by the state of things right now (failing health care system, failing environment, failing economy, failing education) that the status quo doesn’t work. Things change and are changing – and have to change. It’s the nature of living things to evolve, and this goes for societies too (RE: compare today with say, the 1950’s).
Single Payer Health Care is a good thing. It is not the government deciding the fate of your health. Nor is it new. We already have various forms of it in this country: Medicaid for example. It is not perfect, but it is the only recourse for people living below the poverty line who cannot afford to pay an insurance company.
All that this new health care plan is, is an alternative option for people in the middle class. It is an option that will both give you health care coverage if your insurance company drops you, and fill in the gaps of coverage that you may find yourself needing. It is not enforced enslavement to a government system. It’s an alternative.
Originally posted by stevedel0Health care is too expensive. Insurance makes it so, and the insurance itself is too expensive.