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Health care opponent calls for town hall violence via Twitter

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posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 08:41 PM
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but seriously, if someone has a CC, they are prolly packing at these meetings anyway.

I would try to be really careful about who I listen to.


True enough. Who knows why this person was calling for people to show up armed? He could have some off-the-wall personal agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with the protests. If it's legal in your area and you were going to be carrying anyway, go for it, but don't let someone do your thinking for ya. Thanks and star for the reply.


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Do you suppose this person is a DNC shill to give Obama ammunition while he slanders the hard working people who just want to be heard. I would not be at all surprised.

Well, I can't prove it, but I wouldn't be surprised at all either.


TA


[edit on 8-8-2009 by TheAssociate]




posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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Those who are really in power, IMO, are wanting some form of violent escalation, some form of aggressive behavior to ensure their end goals come about as smoothly and as streamlined as possible.


Best theory so far,


I do believe there's more to this situation than just some random, fed up person calling for violence.


TA



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 09:19 PM
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Sounds like something I would type in anger and wish I could retract over the threat of nationalized healthcare.


Nationalized healthcare just really ticks me off.

Only Dictators Nationalize



Obama and Pelosi just want to be like Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and nationalize everything.



I'm sure the author was responding to the Union thugs who've been roughing up Ma and Pa coming to voice their objections over the selective care they'd get in a public system, and the nation hurtling towards not just a socialist but a fascist direction.

I do believe these average people have the right to defend themselves and to provide citizen policing.

Personally, I'd hate to go to an IRS office for accounting advice.
Or to the immigration or state department for travel advice.
Or to the DMV or EPA to make a decision on buying a car.
Or to Amtrak or the US Postal office for management advice.
Or to Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac or Treasury or Fed for investment advice.
Or to public schools for a top notch education.
Or to congress on how to represent your constituents.
Or to a VA hospital, Medicare, Medicaid, or National Healthcare for my health.

And yes, Obama wants to put health insurance companies out of business and move to a socialist single-payer healthcare system.




[edit on 8-8-2009 by Dbriefed]



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 10:00 PM
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Only Dictators Nationalize


I agree, and socialized medicine pisses me off too. It could just be that the person got a little too upset and posted in twitter out of anger. I don't think it's just the left that are looking to nationalize everything though, bush was involved in bail outs as well. Both the republicrats and the demicans are our enemies. Great videos and info, thanks and star for posting.


TA



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 10:03 PM
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Oh BS I know a lot of people who are attending these meetings in protest. No one organized them. They are just plain pissed off at the outrageous attempt to create a communist police state under the guise of 'fixing' health care.

For some reason they don't like:

having the government decide their health care choices,
waiting in line to see your doctor,
giving the government all of your bank numbers,
forcing the elderly to receive death counseling,
forcing young mothers to receive warnings about having too many babies and the option of government funded abortion,
the elimination of private healthcare options,
the rationing of health care,
giving free healthcare to illegal aliens,
making all doctors and specialists receive the same low salary (aka communism),
sending in goon squads to every home to enforce mandatory vaccination
etc. etc.



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 10:10 PM
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This smells of a setup. I fear it may be a move towards taking our weapons away.



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 10:18 PM
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The more I read through HR3200, the more angry I get. I no longer think that Obama is a socialist or a fascist, I think he's a neo-feudalist. A few themese that jump out at me in that bill is that the gov't is going to tax you back to the stone age and if they get their cap and trade bill then whatever is left will go towards that. Perhaps it's a bit extreme, but seems like in Obama's vision of a "green" world you'd work, have nothing except some crappy healthcare system that doesn't reward research and advances in medicine it'd be a virtual dark age of medicine. We'd all be basically serfs while Obama is at the top acting out some sort of twisted fantsasy of his.

As someone who works in healthcare I'm doubly terrfied of this bill and I think it'll just totally sink my standard of living. In this recession I think healthcare is about the only industry that as survived relatively unscathed, but this nightmarish bill would totally destroy the healthcare system and make people long for the "old system".



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 10:42 PM
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This smells of a setup. I fear it may be a move towards taking our weapons away.


I think it's possibly a setup, but it doesn't seem to be drawing enough attention to affect change on that big a scale. I know they want our weapons, and I do believe there will, at some point, be a staged "tragedy" of sorts (a false flag operation) to convince people it's time to turn their weapons over, but I don't think this is it. That event is going to be huge. Good looking out, though:

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips


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The more I read through HR3200, the more angry I get. I no longer think that Obama is a socialist or a fascist, I think he's a neo-feudalist.

Agreed, it is one disgusting piece of legislation. It certainly does seem that the goal of TPTB to tax us into serfdom.


TA



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 10:51 PM
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I will agree with the Obamacare supporters that something should be done to make healthcare more afforadable and such. I just don't see the logic in burning down a house to remodel one room. I would think for something as big as helathcare reform should be done very carefully. From my interpretation of HR3200 and while it's not the final version of the bill that Obama will eventually sign into law (fight it as hard as we can, but let's face it the Democrat senators/reps will probably vote for it to show the "vast right wing conspiracy"), but it seems to only cater to young healthy "productive" members of soceity and anyone too old or infirm just don't matter. Isn't one of the sticking points with the supports to make healthcare more affordable for "ALL AMERICANS"? Seems contradictory to me.



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 11:37 PM
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First I would like to say taking a gun to a town hall meeting???

I recommend a flogger! A horse haired one.

Oh and ear plugs, I hear there is a lot of yelling and screaming at those things!

A name tag is always nice too at a large public gathering, I recomend drawing a big smiley face on it, it shows people you are friendly.

If you take gum make sure you take enough for the whole class!

Don't put it under the seats when you are done chewing it! Janitors are people too.

I also recomend taking three long stemmed red roses with a sprig of baby's breath tied in a colored cellophane wrap with a bow on it.

The first pretty girl who asks you who those are for...say... why you of course...

Ride your bicycle there and lock it up by the front door so people can see no one bussed you in there.

Wear your old Marijuana Growers Local Union No. 13 T-shirt. Let security know you support Union causes too!

Take a copy of Better Homes and Gardens too to read when you get bored since you can't hear because of the ear plugs.

Smile at everyone.

If things get out of hand stay calm and pull out a Party Sized Bag of Tostidos and make it a party!

Take some Salsa.

Oh and a limbo stick!

After you have people dancing, eating and singing and the Congress Person interupts and mentions Health Care...

Accuse them of being a party pooper and demand that they Limbo or go home!

But wait...tell them there is a 1,000 dollar prize to the Limbo contest winner...

Chances are excellent it will be the Congress Person who can stoop the lowest in the room!

Only pay them 900.00 though and tell them you will give Nancy Pelosi her 10% directly, they will understand!

While all this is going on, set up some tiki torches outside and a bar-b-que make some new friends!





[edit on 9/8/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 01:00 AM
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It easily could be an agent provocateur trying to draw out radicals.

They do not care who gets hurt.

A smart man would say bring tazers and pepper spray.

The use of force policy taught to most police steps up in progressive
levels until the cop feels his life is threatened.

Some do not care and just reach for the gun quickly.

Some within the government want a blood bath to justify martial law.

They will try other things to achieve this as well.

If it gets too crazy they will activate Northcom and Garden Plot.

Once the order goes out to roll out nation wide check points to
yell " papers please " at the citizens I am so gone.

Once they announce the mandatory swine flu vaccines I am so gone.

I'll self shield in my campsite in the middle of BFE.

Good Luck to you all !



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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It easily could be an agent provocateur trying to draw out radicals.

A very good possibility. TPTB are well aware of how upset people are getting. This would be a perfect way to draw out some of the more 'confrontational' people.




I'll self shield in my campsite in the middle of BFE.

Good Luck to you all !

Don't blame ya in the least...looking for a decent place to ride it out when the S hits the F, myself.



TA



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by M157yD4wn
Doesn't this sound suspicious? Sounds like some group attempting to discredit the protesters. It looks like a setup and smells like a setup, sounds like a setup. Might it be a setup?

Who would be behind such proclamations of violence? Would it be the so called "democratic party", or maybe the Obamanoids? How about those who live covert lives in the agency known as The Agency?

All i can say is it would be a very unwise move on the part of protesters to heed this advice. i can see all kinds of negative actions arising from this. Such as new laws degrading our 2nd amendment rights, new laws degrading our freedom of speech, new laws degrading us as Humans period.

Someone needs to tweet that fool to shutup.

love and peace


My thoughts exactly. Agents provocateur are trying to turn the grass roots protests at these town hall meetings into violent confrontations so they can be demonized, vilified and shut down.

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The agents provocateurs ARE the radicals, get it?

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It’s really depressing how many people still cling to the false left-right political paradigm. Put down the cool-aid and wake up to the fact that all of the republicRATS are owned by the globalist bankers. I find myself actually hoping that most of such posters are disinfo agents, despite what that says about the state of our erstwhile republic.



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 08:24 AM
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Isn't it funny that this "agent provocateur" is now fighting against the same people he was working for seven months ago? This guy on twitter is nothing but a right-wing fringe lunatic just like the majority of other nut cases going to these things and making fools out of themselves.



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
First I would like to say taking a gun to a town hall meeting???

I recommend a flogger! A horse haired one.



So you are supporting the call for violence?

I'm surprised.



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
First I would like to say taking a gun to a town hall meeting???

I recommend a flogger! A horse haired one.



So you are supporting the call for violence?

I'm surprised.


Of course not, I abhore violence...did you not read the entire post?

The horse hair flogger is for swatting flies! It's that Imperial Roman look!

You see my friend when ever any encounter turns confrontational both parties loose.

A person convinced against their will is a person who remains unconvinced.

You might be able to cower, or intimidate, or humiliate someone into submission in a confrontation but you haven't won a friend and you haven't changed their mind.

Like Arnold in the Terminator movies, They'll be back!

It's why I recomended taking a Party Sized Bag of Tostidos, filtering out the heated rhetoric with ear plugs and turning it into a festive party where people can celebrate and enjoy their similiarities instead of fighting over their differences.

Now maybe the horse hair flogger ends up seeing some consensual action with the girl I give the 3 long stemmed roses to, but hey that's between me and her!

Lighten up friend, and make some friends, they come much more in handy than enemies.

The original Obama message is celebrating diversity...remember? remember?



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by Kords21
From my interpretation of HR3200 and while it's not the final version of the bill that Obama will eventually sign into law (fight it as hard as we can, but let's face it the Democrat senators/reps will probably vote for it to show the "vast right wing conspiracy"), but it seems to only cater to young healthy "productive" members of soceity and anyone too old or infirm just don't matter. Isn't one of the sticking points with the supports to make healthcare more affordable for "ALL AMERICANS"? Seems contradictory to me.


From what the government ALREADY does for the disabled, infirm or elderly (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc.) I don't see any reason to fear lower priced, government subsidized (for those unable to afford it) health insurance for the whole population. They're not talking about dismantling what's already in place for the general welfare, they're talking about expanding it.

The ones who value "the young, healthy 'productive' members of society" the most are the insurance and drug companies and health care providers and employers and marketers and so on that we already have today. Young, healthy, and affluent people already get preference in everything in our society from lower insurance premiums to higher paid jobs.

It seems to me anyone who really values the less fortunate and/or elderly are those who are for health care reform.

But to get back to the original subject of the thread: there are always some people out there from all points in the political spectrum who will advocate violence. It seems to me a sort of logical progression from screaming so the speakers cannot be heard, and thus ending any possibility for productive debate, to bringing guns and thus also ending the possibility of productive debate.

The motives are the same, it's just a matter of degree.

And then, Twitter needs some T&C's like we have here on ATS.



[edit on 10-8-2009 by Sestias]



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 04:26 PM
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I'm all for making the US healthcare system better and more affordable. I just don't like the current plan as it is in HR 3200. I also have to take issue with the people that are advising Obama on healthcare. I think these are some very scary individuals who don't care one bit about the good of the people, it's about the good of their ideas of who's more productive and who isnt.

Take this quote:

Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change," he wrote last year (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008).

· Emanuel writes that savings will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, "as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others" (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).

· Emanuel wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else.

· Emanuel believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96). He means don't give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson's or a child with cerebral palsy.

· Emanuel explicitly defends discrimination against older patients: "Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years" (Lancet, Jan. 31).

· Emanuel criticizes Americans for being too "enamored with technology" and is determined to reduce access to it.


www.jacksonville.com...[/url ]

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel
[url=http://]http://www.cc.nih.gov/about/SeniorStaff/ezekiel_emanuel.html

I find it very troubling that this person has a very influential voice in overall reform. Obamacare is a nightmare in my opinion and it will lead to a lot of people suffering and dieing because they're not "productive enough"

[edit on 10-8-2009 by Kords21]

[edit on 10-8-2009 by Kords21]



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 04:26 PM
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Woah...


It is very possible this guy is a plant. If not, then he's an idiot. We can oppose "Obamacare" without having to kill or hurt anyone. I know people are feeling angry, and the SEIU and ACORN have been recently seen committing acts of violence. But killing people over the health care debate is NOT productive and can only lead to more problems.

I'm not liking this at all.

[edit on 10-8-2009 by projectvxn]



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 04:32 PM
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I predict an increased police presence at these town hall meetings. Maybe even National Guard. Are these right wing protesters going to be the catalyst for martial law?

Just my 2-cents




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