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Originally posted by Level X
reply to post by TrustMeImaSalesman
Yes, America did a dirtybomb under-handed trick, we all know that...
Yes, America was itching to test it on a live population...
Yes, America knew not one, but 2 BOMBS would kill innocent children...
Yes, Americas scientific community was salivating to get their hands on how fallout from "Little Boy" effected the human body...
Yes, America was found to be the real instigator...
No, Japan or any other country has a military base near North America... Yes, America has bases in everyones backyard...
Yes, they are sick and tired of G.I. Joe...
Yes, Japan and China are getting their quiet revenge by manufacturing everything Americans lay their hands on...
Yes, the US world domination scheme is backfiring...
And yes, Americans are still the brutal war mongers of old...
[edit on 8-8-2009 by Level X]
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by passenger
Um, in case you didn't know your history. Japan hoped to sue for peace as they knew they couldn't win.
Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
Actually, bombing civilians wasn't a mistake, and occurred in the First World War with Zeppelins.
More died during the 81 days of fighting on Okinawa than both atomic bombs together killed.
Add them up.
And had we elected to hold back the atomic weapons and invade mainland Japan, if you extrapolate the casualty numbers on Okinawa, then one million Americans, and three to five million Japanese would have become casualties.
So we did the most humane thing, and saved millions of casualties and dead.
Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
You're probably the same person who thought Iraq needed to be nuked.
Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by OldDragger
If your father fired a gun in the civlian world, and on accident it hit a little girl in the head. Do you think they would just say "OH woops, he didn't mean to. It's alright, sad but that's the way it is" ? No they would put him on trial. So if your killed civilians on accident when he bombed targets.. legally I'm sure he's clear. But morally? He's responsible for the lives he took.
You miss the point entirely, and you miss it I think, purposely.
It wasn't peacetime, your analogy is simply ridiculous. I guess you think it more moral not to have fought since civilians were killed. Great, let Hitler rule the world. Now that's the moral high ground!
But by your logic I might as well just kill someone because their going to die in the end anyways. If they wanted to commit suicide? That's their right to do so. They made it, they weren't forced into it(Unless they were, then it's wrong).
I can't believe anyone would say what you did! it's their RIGHT to commit suicide? An entire nation has the RIGHT to go on a war of conquest, then commit suicde? And I guess it was just tough luck for Americans, mean old USA infringing on their RIGHTS? Unbelievable! you have really jumped the shark with this post!
But if you want to assume there would be roaming groups on ninjas out to kill americans? Well you can think that all you want, but I'd be willing to assume that it's far from the truth.
Roaming bands of ninjas? Where did you get that. guess you can't be bothered to follow the link I posted> It might upset your dogma, uh, I mean high moral understanding.
But just let me ask you this. What if your family was bombed while you were out at war, and you came home expecting to see your wife and children, but instead found directions to a funeral home and a coupon for 50 dollars off each coffin. What would you say? Would you say "Oh they would of fought back anyways?" I doubt you would.
Your statements are ridiculous. i would be heartbroken, Just as EVERY family was> But the ONLY reason 50 MILLION people were killed in that war was Germany and Japan launching a war of military conquest to enslave others and build empires. No other reason.
Also a later note: The warrior code was by no means facist. Which BS hat did you pull that out of? Or do you just think that's a word that can be randomly applied to make things sound really bad?
[edit on 8-8-2009 by Miraj]
In the case of Imperial Japan, the warrior code was facist, it's pupose ONLY to create a nation of killing machines to elevate Divine Japan to master of inferior other peoples. Do you have some kind of admiration for the code that justifies mass murder?
You are a prime example of one who lives in a theoretical world, safe and sound. You apparently cannot imagine a society that is entirely military oriented, whose purpose is to fulfill some psychotic Nationalist dream of destiny, leaving a wake of bodies. Maybe you could have pointed out to Hitler and Tojo how immoral they were. I'm sure they would have listened. it may interest you that I once shared your opinion, then I educated myself on the war and changed my mind. There is nothing more to say to you, you cannot fathom the idea that you are applying some moral standard to a situation where your standards can't apply.
[edit on 8-8-2009 by Miraj]
Originally posted by Sardot
Hi there...I teach U.S. history and have an advanced degree in Middle East History. I just want to concur with those who have it right. The idea was to shorten the war while saving the most American lives. Yes, we could have done worse, a much larger city or cities like Tokyo. We could have picked an off shore island to show the strength, but I doubt it would have had the desired effect. The Japanese were close to the NAZI's in brutality and fanaticism. President Truman and his staff made the correct choice and had they been able to do it over, they easily would have made it again. It wasn't pay back for Pearl Harbour, it was the best way the United States had of bringing a quick and complete end to the devastating war in the Pacific which Japan initiated.
[edit on 8-8-2009 by Sardot]