White House Threatens Limbaugh Over Obama Criticism

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Mak Manto

 

Oh boy it's Mr. Shadow Government again who doesn't actually believe there is a Shadow Government.

I have a great health plan it's called Cash! Maybe you have seen some? It's green and has pictures of dead Presidents and American Statesmen on it?

It really comes in handy it's basically accepted everywhere the world over, requires no preapproval and you only have to fill out a form if you spend more than 10,000 of it at one time!

Doctors love the stuff!

Have you ever been to Vegas? Insurance is considered a suckers bet.

By the way I am not a Republican! I don't vote, because the Shadow Government really isn't elected.

The last thing in the world I want our government doing is taking care of my health care!

For anyone who is reading this, I want people to read this carefully, for it shows the flaws...

Proto, how should people pay for certain things when operations for diseases, such as cancer, can cost up to several million dollars over the years to get rid of it?

How do you expect people to pay for such things?

Do you think most people have a few hundred thousand dollars lying around? Do you think people can just pay cash for such things?

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Don't feel bad, one day you too might be able to say what you mean and mean what you say.

It's real simple Hunka when you aren't looking for the Government to do anything for you except to not make your life harder and more expensive.

Follow the Constitution, respect the rights of the citizens, put America and American values and standards first, apply simple rules evenly and fairly all the time.

Don't try to reinvent the wheel.

Now this guy isn't doing that, and only someone desperate for the government to do something for them would not be able to see that.

In your case your desperate for the Government to take over health care so you can stop having to contribute to the cost of your employee's health care plan.

Your employees who would gladly pay for their own health care plan if you paid them enough to be able to afford quality health care.

Now I know your a small businessman and not some huge corporation and things are tough and you have to watch your bottom line, I am not trying to make you out to be a cheap or a heartless guy, but riddle me this Batman why is it that it's that tough for you to make a decent profit in your business that you can't pay your employees a living wage?

A new Health Care plan isn't going to fix that now is it?

NAFTA is still going to screw you, the buying and leverage power of monopolies are still going to screw you, tarrif and trade policies are still going to screw you, and you are still going to be screwed with a little less on your back to juggle.

Hey every little bit helps, but what helps is cash, cold hard cash, it's the economy stupid!

It really sucks, and it really sucks because of how corporations run the government.

All this new health care will boil down to being is an other tax, where you get to pay whether you use the schools or not, where you get to pay whether you use the roads or not, where you get to pay whether you actually think we should be fighting the war or not, where you get to pay whether you ever get sick or not, and if you do need to use it, it's what they want to give you on their terms with your money!

I might be immature but not so immature I can't recognize a fascist dictator in the making, and not so immature that I can't tell the problem is the economy, and the economy is screwed because corporate monopolies control it and the corporate government.

What will it take to get you to realize what's going on, standing in a camp with a RIDF Chip embedded in you in a crisp new set of government issued clothes with some delicious government peanut butter and cheese sloshing around in your stomach, inspecting your bed for the fourth time to make sure the hospital corners are perfect?

Wow!

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by jam321
Why is the administration so worried about Limbaugh, Hannity, foxnews?

They have the majority. They own the executive and legislative branch. All they have to do is take care of business and if that business results into positive things, they will be the majority for awhile.

Bewilders me why they want to focus so much attention on things they don't have to.

They are concerned that anyone is using references to nazi germany. Dem or Rep either way.

I agree.. no one should be using these references.

I mean unless folks are looking for a civil war...

Really?

Then this should have been taken care of on Aug 05 when Pelosi first started it.

Nope, it is only after Limbaugh says it that it is a travesty, and someone is walking on thin ice.

The White House should not be threatening the free exercise of speech. Period. Maybe it's true that comparing your enemies to the Nazis means you've lost the argument, unless of course your enemies behave like Nazis in response! But I'm not surprised at all. Obama and his administration are PRAGMATIC rather than PRINCIPLED. From the hypocrisy on legalization to the draconian expansion of government power via family law, Obama is of a cloth with the last, hmmm...four presidents, whose essential common denominator was political expediency/expansion of power. He will do what we let him. Like they all did. Too bad an extremist partisan blowhard like Rush is the "voice" of the resistance. I'd prefer a more "principled" voice; (ie. where were his criticisms of Bush's trampling of the Constitution?). His partisan approval then makes him less credible now. But Obama shouldn't be threatening anyone. This IS America, after all. Very worrisome business IMO.

reply to post by Mak Manto


If you would do your research you would see that the government is the reason that the prices are sky high!

Originally posted by joechip
The White House should not be threatening the free exercise of speech. Period. Maybe it's true that comparing your enemies to the Nazis means you've lost the argument, unless of course your enemies behave like Nazis in response . . .

If the shoe fits . . .


Token second line

So with most reps now gong to telephone and one on one sessions for their "town hall" meetings, then how are Acorn and SEIU going to push back against the bought and paid for "mob"? I wonder if they'll try a door to door approach to find out how people feel about it. Acorn already has no problem breaking into foreclosed houses, I don't put anything past them.

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Limbaugh must always be taken with a grain of salt . . . but he is right on this one.

Edit: Token second line

[edit on 8/7/2009 by Lemon.Fresh]

Then you and Limbaugh know absolutely nothing about Hitler and the Nazis. Too bad you do not have to pass a test before you can express your ill informed opinions.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


You see, this is where we're going to disagree.

My family, over the last 12, years had to pay $600 a month on our insurance plan.

Now, 8 years ago, my mom received breast cancer. After being told she would need her breasts removed or she would die, we went to our insurance company, and at first, they refused to do the operations.

You see, the number of operations would total over 15, and all together, with hospital time, bed time, etc. the total cost would be around $2 million dollars.

When our insurance company found this out, they didn't want to do it. They're logic was that since we're putting out $600 a month and they'd be putting out over $2 million, they'd be losing out.

Well, we had to fight for it, but in the end, we had the operations done.

Though, is this who you guys want? Companies want to keep their money. Sure, if you need to go to the family doctor once in a while to get a shot or some medication for the sniffles, you do so.

But once it comes time for such money to be used to save your life, they don't want to.

One husband and wife had to sell their house because the wife had a tumor on her head, and their insurance wouldn't pay for it...

Wonderful, huh?

reply to post by Mak Manto


My Brother in Law who was a prince of a guy and a far better man than I could ever hope to be passed away a few weeks ago from Lung Cancer.

The truth is he passed away from complications of Chemo Therapy his kidneys gave out.

He lived a year from the time he was diagnosed. He was diagnosed on a fluke, he had gotten a new job that required a physical and instead of getting the job, he got the news that he had stage three lung cancer.

His first stop was his family doctor, who told him point blank, straight up, look I am a doctor, if I was diagnosed with this I wouldn't take chemo or surgery or any such thing, all it's going to do is rob the remaining quality of your life and maybe even shorten it. Forget about the fact you are dying we are all dying go live the rest of your days and enjoy them the best you can without the dibilitating treatments and if you start having pain let me know, I will give you something for it.

He had the cutest little girl in the world with my sister, they are both brown eyed, brown haired, overweight couch potatoes and there little girl is a blue eyed, blonde haired, adorable little whisp of a pixie.

So naturally they fired the family doctor, and the insurance through her company paid for every treatment, hundreds of thousands of dollars, and of course he died a horrible death not from the cancer but from the cancer treatments.

He had not one symptom when he was diagnozed, not one.

I still think he would be alive today had he just listened to his family doctor. I think if he wasn't his remaining time still would have been much more quality oriented.

I had a grandmother almost die and spent an entire year in the hospital from the side effects of cancer treatments.

She would have died too, had I not interceded with my health care plan option 2, called MIND OVER MATTER.

Now even if you don't believe like I do that Cancer is a contrived disease given to people for the sole purpose for the health care industry to bilk billions of dollars off of managing people's slow, deliberate and orchestrated deaths as part of eugenics/uethenasia program the fact of the matter is the darn chemicals they use cost pennies to manufacture. The labor involved in care and administration of the chemicals is not that costly when it comes to what those people actually get paid in a paycheck and I can honestly say if my doctor ever told me I had cancer, I would just go out and rob a bank, kidnap the swiss bikini team and hijack a plane to fiji with them and die a fun death, but of course, after having done all that, murphies law would dictate my cancer would go into remission so I could stand trial and be punished for my crimes! Which is my health plan option number 3.

Cheat death by making death the best possible outcome and well life being the funny old and sadistic dog it is will make sure you live.

Government should not be in the health care business, they aren't doctors, it's not there purpose, our governments actual purpose is to make sure that if South Carolina builds a road to the border of North Carolina that they have the good sense to keep building it on up through to Virginia.

Insurance companies should not be in the health care business, it's all one huge scam and one huge racket because the reality is if there was no insurance or government stepping in to pick up or subsidize costs, costs would have to be in line with what wages and savings are for doctors and hospitals to make money.

Seriously no offense but you guys are so blinded by all this simple common sense stuff.

No wonder the world is so screwed up, you basically are prepared to go along with anything no matter how dangerous it is and bad for you and smile about it as long as someone on TV and in the Government tells you it's the 'right' thing to do.

Does anyone anywhere actually think down and up levels anymore?

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Now, you're jumping from the conspiracy that the health care plan Obama is giving is a "socialism plan" to "Cancer is a contrived disease, and all doctors want to do is make money off of it."

You're now going into the conspiracy that doctors just say people are sick to get their money...

Pathetic...

Is this your way of justifying that Obama's plan is bad? That doctors are making up diseases so they can get money?

That if you're sick, all you need is cash?

That's your plan?

reply to post by Mak Manto


Like I said, research.

Follow the $$ trail.

Originally posted by Mak Manto


Proto, how should people pay for certain things when operations for diseases, such as cancer, can cost up to several million dollars over the years to get rid of it?

How do you expect people to pay for such things?

Do you think most people have a few hundred thousand dollars lying around? Do you think people can just pay cash for such things?

Life isnt fair. It isnt the governments job to make it fair either.

Life is full of unfortunate circumstances. Some people are born just plain ugly, while others are born very attractive.

Some people are born stupid and stay that way, while others become rocket scientists and brain surgeons.

Some people get cancer, and most dont.

Bottom line is that government isnt there to make your life better by stealing from others to pay for your unfortunate circumstances.

Life sucks some times, life isnt fair, and sometimes life is just plain cruel.

The burden of dealing with it should rest on you and you alone.

I'm not against research. I wholeheartedly believe in embryonic stem cell research, which is considered by many scientists to hold the cures for cancer, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, spinal cord damage, plus many more.

reply to post by MOFreemason



Rush Limbaugh is such a tool. He has sold his soul and no longer speaks for the American people, but only pretends to. He now speaks for his fellow billionaires and yacht owners. His purpose is to turn american citizens against each other. For us to think in terms of "Us" and "Them". And he succeeds every day. And this entire situation is a perfect example.

I'm furious that every here is falling for this. There are no threatening remarks, only the rich playing divide and conquer. Thats all any of this ever is.

Like every article at infowars, this one exists only incite you. And its working. I can't believe I'm the first one to say this. And no one will probably read this because the discussion has been going on so long.

Come on people, its just two chubby guys leaving sound bites for each other. And this discussion has been a perfect oppertunity for every disinfo agent on ATS to come here and sploodge their sperm. nothing but right vs left typical banter.

reply to post by TheAftermath


So, your argument is that if the operations costs too much money, you're going to die, and no one should help you, not even the insurance companies...

How's that a plan? You can't just allow people to die, Aftermath, even if some operations will cost too much...

I'm sorry, but you didn't think that one through too hard.

reply to post by Mak Manto


Unfortunately, yes we can allow people to die. And they will when this BS government health plan goes into effect.

If you paid into your insurance for coverage and that coverage included breast cancer, then your mom should have been covered. No argument from me there. Now, if the policy didnt cover it, why should your insurance company cover it, especially given the high cost?

Have overlapping coverage. Have multiple policies.


Government has no Constitutional authority to be involved in healthcare, nor do they have said authority to use public funds for such an expenditure.

Tell me honestly, why should my taxes go up to pay for your moms surgery?

Maybe BHO's controllers really are Nazi's at heart after all. I think that there is enough evidence to at least speculate that the one's behind the curtains pulling his strings are of the same group who erected the Georgia Guidestones, which the top 2 inscriptions are as follows:

1: Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
(depopulation by genocide?)

2: Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
(sounds like the eugenics written about in Mien Kampf)

well, what did Hillary say last year
"I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration"
now the shoes on the other foot and they cant stand it

speaking of Hillary, didn't we tell her to go shove all her "Hillary care" health care crap like 15 years ago... now their trying to re wrap it and make it into the Obama plan.... pffft... like we cant see right through it.. Gd Obama is such a Clinton puppet..get bent Obama

[edit on 8-8-2009 by 2012DragonSlayer]