White House Threatens Limbaugh Over Obama Criticism , page 17

orangetom1999

posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 12:46 AM

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Kinda Kurious,

You should check your reading closely

GOD does not grant "rights" from what I've read.

July 4, 1776
Declaration of Independence...from the text.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. "

as to this...

The presidential press secretary, Ari Fleischer, condemned Bill Maher's irreverent comic response to 9/11 by reminding "all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do."

....the president's press spokesman had "ominously warned" Americans to "watch what they say," and that this amounted to telling citizens "to accept the administration's version of events, not ask awkward questions."

I dont agree with it no matter what party is doing it..and both political parties are and have done it.

and here this..

Are you saying that they received the gift of which you speak? Or is it limited to Americans born within the modern era? Just curious.

Americans have a very exceptional system. Most of the world and as recorded in history have never known a system as do we have here. Most of the systems of government in this world have been some variation of Feudal Systems with dual social structures..particularly the rulers and ruled.

What the new systems planned for this country and world are is a carte blanche return to the old feudal ways under the New World Order guise.
Part of this is controlled speech...ie...already starting under such default settings as "political correctness." ie...censorship.

Also a common money..and a common religion. Eventually a common language..a lingua frank.

This is not new..it is ancient.

What is known among those who can think further than the next sound bite..is that the world can never come to handle or manage a system as do we have here in America. Hence the plan is and must be to bring America into line with the rest of the world.
This is obvious to many of us.

One of the worst human bondages is the bondage of the mind..and eventually the soul.

I am referring to the condition of human bondage over the span of eons.) Not any one particular instance.

We are not responsible for the condition of human bondage over eons. It does not do well to imply that someone today..by opinion or view.. is responsible for this condition.

Americans ..because of the endowment by thier "Creator" of certain inalienable rights...are very different from most peoples in most nations in this world.

The irony and pitifulness of this condition is that most Americans ...due to a public school/television education no longer know how exceptional this is in the history of this world.

Thanks,
Orangetom

HunkaHunka

posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999
reply to post by kinda kurious

Kinda Kurious,

You should check your reading closely

GOD does not grant "rights" from what I've read.

July 4, 1776
Declaration of Independence...from the text.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. "

as to this...

Yes, it says creator... not God.

You don't have to believe in God to believe in the fact that your very creation endows you with certain inalienable rights.

kinda kurious

posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999
reply to post by kinda kurious

Kinda Kurious,

You should check your reading closely

GOD does not grant "rights" from what I've read.

July 4, 1776
Declaration of Independence...from the text.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. "

Funny. In defense of the "Almighty" you offer words written by mere mortal men
on behalf of an esoteric few who happen to live within a small patch of dirt, tiny when considering the expanse and diversity comprising the entire globe. I always thought the concept of GOD was omnipresent and omnipotent, not just for Americans.

In short, GOD does not grant the "right" of free speech as claimed by the poster I responded to. "Rights" are granted by man. Ethnocentrism, look it up.

ON TOPIC:

I am running out of ways to say that the Press Secretary made no "threats" in the video provided, especially compared to the prior example I provided.

Regards. . . KK

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BaronVonGodzilla

posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by Doctor G
I've been listening to Rush since they turned my am country station to talk radio. They couldn't have listened to him because that is not what he said. I saw this tv reporter attact Savage on what he said about autistic childern. That's not what I heard him say. Are they just making it up or do they really have a hearing problem? If it is a hearing problem, let's put them under a gov't health care program and get them fixed up. Oh *snip*, pre-existing condition. Anyone want to start a fund? They can implant these really great hearing aids these days.

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I heard Savage too, he said autistic children were a fraud, and ADHD children as well, just leeches to take away time and money. He's disgusting and so is Rush Limbaugh.

Unfortunately I agree, they should be allowed to speak their minds, however degenerative they may be.

orangetom1999

posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:18 AM
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reply to post by HunkaHunka

Yes, it says creator... not God.

You don't have to believe in God to believe in the fact that your very creation endows you with certain inalienable rights.

No you dont have to believe in God for such rights. The problem is that is what most Americans believe and not what you post. In this context it refers to diety.

Originally posted by kinda kurious

Funny. In defense of the "Almighty" you offer words written by a mere mortal men
on behalf of an esoteric few who happen to live within a small patch of dirt, tiny when considering the expanse and diversity comprising the entire globe. I always thought the concept of GOD was omnipresent and omnipotent, not just for Americans.

Thank you for confirming my posting of the concept that somehow Americans are guilty of some crime as concerns the rest of the world. Some ethical moral slip up.

That methodology does not work with me. It is not a good default setting to play through as the moral/ethical high ground. If fools alot of people who are easily burdened with such guilt politics. It just does not work with me.
You are going to need alot of practice here.
Guilt politics is to me the cheapest form of coercion. It is Luciferian in its nature. Esoteirc.

"Mere mortal men"....????? You have some words for the posters and this thread which are from non mortal men...Highlander??.... and there by establishing a default or moral high ground for your positions??

I dont agree with the technique posted by the OP on anyone..no matter what political party is in office. That the Whitehousse should come down on a private citizen by such methods. And it has been done. It shows great insecurity to me and causes me to question thier suitability for office.
Political parties behind whoever is in the Whitehouse have shown great selectivity in this kind of process. THey are not beyond doing this very thing..coming down on citizens..for political purposes. Mostly in secret.
We are entering a time when the veil is being dropped on this....by entitlement/guilt politics.
It is divisive..and not uniting. It is also not leadership.

Thanks,
Orangetom

kinda kurious

posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999
I dont agree with the technique posted by the OP on anyone..no matter what political party is in office. That the Whitehousse should come down on a private citizen by such methods. And it has been done. It shows great insecurity to me and causes me to question thier suitability for office.
Political parties behind whoever is in the Whitehouse have shown great selectivity in this kind of process. THey are not beyond doing this very thing..coming down on citizens..for political purposes. Mostly in secret.
We are entering a time when the veil is being dropped on this....by entitlement/guilt politics.
It is divisive..and not uniting. It is also not leadership.

On that we can agree. Well said. Your wisdom is duly noted.
I shall cease any further discussions regarding religion which were introduced by another poster.

Regards. . . KK

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orangetom1999

posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:17 AM
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reply to post by kinda kurious

Goodness me Kinda Kurious....

On that we can agree. Well said. Your wisdom is duly noted.
I shall cease any further discussions regarding religion which were introduced by another poster.

I most certainly do not expect you to cease your postings on religion. I do believe in freedom of speech. You are most certainly entitled to voice your opinions within the guidelines of this forum...and on any topic. No problem with me on this for anyone.

I am just in my sometimes ..not so subtle way...letting you..or sometimes others... know that there are Believers out here who are the Salt of the Earth. We are not the sugar of the earth. This is not to say that we are not meek and mild most of the time. But we are not to be the sugar of the earth...or take on the worlds position or belief system.
We also know a bit of history and what it means to us.
Some of us are also schooled in concealed esoteric thought and can see this in the body politic...daily.

Thanks for your considered and very polite reply,
Orangetom

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prophecywatcher

posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:46 AM
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There's always a warning before the strike. Look out America, It's coming!

riggins44

posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 09:14 PM
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The only ones "on thin ice" is this administration. I can see the people grabbing their pitch forks if Obama use's the swine flu to declare matial law and deploy the military on US soil--damn Nazis.

Nightflyer28

posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by Walkswithfish
Since taking office the Obama administration has tried in various ways to implement the "fairness doctrine" which would be their best opportunity to silence Rush and other broadcast voices of dissent. Make no mistake they are working hard on getting that done.

I really don't see a problem with bringing back a requirement that if you have commentators discussing a controversial, complex issue, you should include someone to provide an opposing viewpoint, rather than just a steady stream of one point of view only.

If Limbaugh can't handle actual debate rather than spewing without opposition, that's hardly impressive. Any idiot can just babble on for a few hours.

I mean, that's no better than Bush having pre-screened audiences who spent more time fawning over him than asking even slightly probing, pertinent question.

Nightflyer28

posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
First I am labeled a potential terrorist because I served my country in combat, now we are not allowed to speak our minds?

First off, you're not labeled a potential terrorist for being a vet. The DHS report, and the FBI report on which it was based, were both referring to the increase in hate groups like Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists recruiting vets or just joining the military themselves to get combat training, tactical training, explosives training, etc. Okay? I've read the reports - they're talking about the guys trying to recruit some vets, not vets themselves.

Second, if you're talking about what I think (the Town hall disruptions), the problem there is not people trying to speak their minds; it's people shouting down people with actual questions, or the representatives trying to answer those questions and discuss the health care bill.

Here's the 2008 FBI report

It talks about actual cases in the 90s, and the post-9/11 increase in recruitment efforts.

This is the kind of thing that pisses me off about guys like Limbaugh.

They take something that, if you just read it without bringing any preconceptions with you, isn't hard to understand, and spin it to sound like the worst thing possible.

orangetom1999

posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 01:20 AM
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NightFlyer,

I mean, that's no better than Bush having pre-screened audiences who spent more time fawning over him than asking even slightly probing, pertinent question.

Dont know if you have noticed... but it is becoming obvious that this administration is doing the same thing ...pre screened audiences. It was obvious that the Clinton Administration had pre screened Audiences and questions.

I dont put it past both Republicans or Democrats to use this technique.

What I also dont approve of is any Administration or the Media.. who shill for various Administrations ..to label or abuse the public, labeling them with names like Racists, haters, evil mongers, etc etc.

Many Americans are become savvy enough to see that various media outlets are nothing but shills for thier respective political parties. When a media is known to be shilling of a particular party and continuously push the concept that anyone who disagrees with the presidential administration is one of the above mentioned labels....Racists, Haters, evil mongers or whatever comes down the pipe next.....Ameircans lose confidence in said Administration by association with such cheap media formats...who shill for them.

Americans are become to expect higher standards from both the media and a presidential administration and are becoming disgusted with both when it becomes clear that they are not as advertised.

THe very interesting thing to watch and observe...is that both this Administration and the media dont have a clue what the public is thinking and still believe they can default through somehow....by entitlement. That what the public thinks matters little. This becomes entitlement thinking and belief. Americans are slowly catching on to this as well.

THey are finding this type of conduct unethical and even immoral....and not represenative of the people as a whole but only representative of a political party. This awareness does not suit them at all...the realization of how rigged politics and the media actually are.
The Veil is begining to drop.

When people begin to sense that an Administration is labeliing the public who voted for or against them..and so also with the media shillinig for them...they pick up thier remotes and change the channel or station..and do so very quickly. They are voting with their remote controllers.

These ratings figures are not difficult to locate.

It will soon enough become apparent that this is not a represenative government but can only and in fact... be a Democracy.

Think on that awhile.

Thanks to all for thier posts here.

Orangetom

Unnoan

posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by Nightflyer28

I really don't see a problem with bringing back a requirement that if you have commentators discussing a controversial, complex issue, you should include someone to provide an opposing viewpoint, rather than just a steady stream of one point of view only.

If Limbaugh can't handle actual debate rather than spewing without opposition, that's hardly impressive. Any idiot can just babble on for a few hours.

I mean, that's no better than Bush having pre-screened audiences who spent more time fawning over him than asking even slightly probing, pertinent question.

Limbaugh is one of those great Spindoctors and nothing more. He knows what buttons to push to instigate things - its all for the show. The best thing to happen to Limbaugh and his ilk was to have Obama in the White House, much more than Hillary or McCain so his show is rich with topics from both the White House and Congress.

And his love for Palin (as a politician) should be enough to decloak his rhetoric.

Nightflyer28

posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by KonigKaos
Its Usurper Obama that has appointed Czars to his cabinet and has spoken facist, socialist remarks way before he was elected by the brain dead mass of people that slowly awaken.

First off, Obama's hardly a 'usurper'. He won the election 52% to 46%, a pretty clear margin, and certainly greater than the 50-48% that Bush called a 'mandate.' Given the shadiness surrounding the 2000 & 2004 elections, Bush would be in a better position to be called 'usurper' than Obama ever could. Obama was elected because BushCo boned us on a lot of things in his time in office, and people didn't want more of the same. Also, the MILF McCain picked for VP probably didn't help much.

Second, he's hardly the first president to appoint 'czars'; FDR, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush II - all of them have appointed 'czars', and all that means is they appointed someone to head up a team intended to tackle a specific problem.

This is nothing new, and it's hardly a crime.

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Nightflyer28

posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by Unnoan

Originally posted by Nightflyer28
If Limbaugh can't handle actual debate rather than spewing without opposition, that's hardly impressive. Any idiot can just babble on for a few hours.

Limbaugh is one of those great Spindoctors and nothing more. He knows what buttons to push to instigate things - its all for the show.

The guy's able to influence millions of Republicans on any subject. When this or that GOP member criticizes him even slightly, the guy will come back and apologize profusely for daring to say anything against His Great Gasbaggedness within days, as we saw earlier this year.

He's the most effective, powerful and highest paid propaganda artist to come along since Goebells closed shop and Pravda got a new writers' guide.

It may be many things, but it is clearly not for show.

The best thing to happen to Limbaugh and his ilk was to have Obama in the White House, much more than Hillary or McCain so his show is rich with topics from both the White House and Congress.

Funny, in 2001 I said the same thing about SNL and late shows re: Bush. Gave them years of material they hadn't seen since Quayle was VP.

And his love for Palin (as a politician) should be enough to decloak his rhetoric.

To reasonable people, yes. To her supporters who manage to not notice the constant flow of babble and semi-coherent comments and think she's the best thing ever, not so much...

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Nightflyer28

posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by BaronVonGodzilla
I heard Savage too, he said autistic children were a fraud, and ADHD children as well, just leeches to take away time and money. He's disgusting and so is Rush Limbaugh.

Unfortunately I agree, they should be allowed to speak their minds, however degenerative they may be.

I hate to admit it, particularly in the case of such loathsome pond scum as Savage and Limburger, but yeah, they do have the right to speak - and the rest of us have the right to tell them to STFU and counter them with facts (not that facts often work on the dittoheads).

THat bit from Savage suddenly reminds me of Tom Cruise, getting all huffy about psychiatry.

Nightflyer28

posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by kinda kurious

Originally posted by JohnnyElohim
Rachel Maddow v. Bill O'Reilly, anyone?

The smart money is on Rachel IMO.

But I think she might be a vegetarian or perhaps doesn't eat pork.

I'd give Maddow points for style. But I'd love to see just how long it'd take for Billbo to blow his top... maybe start a pool on that if they ever debate.

Nightflyer28

posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by Jessicamsa

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by lee anoma

If Rush suddenly becomes depressed and commits suicide or has a sudden heartattack, maybe peeps will see what they mean by it.

I really don't think a natural heart attack is so much of a stretch in Limburger's case.

blueorder

posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by Nightflyer28

Originally posted by KonigKaos
Its Usurper Obama that has appointed Czars to his cabinet and has spoken facist, socialist remarks way before he was elected by the brain dead mass of people that slowly awaken.

First off, Obama's hardly a 'usurper'. He won the election 52% to 46%, a pretty clear margin, and certainly greater than the 50-48% that Bush called a 'mandate.' Given the shadiness surrounding the 2000 & 2004 elections, Bush would be in a better position to be called 'usurper' than Obama ever could. Obama was elected because BushCo boned us on a lot of things in his time in office, and people didn't want more of the same. Also, the MILF McCain picked for VP probably didn't help much.

Second, he's hardly the first president to appoint 'czars'; FDR, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush II - all of them have appointed 'czars', and all that means is they appointed someone to head up a team intended to tackle a specific problem.

This is nothing new, and it's hardly a crime.

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not a fan of Bush or Obama, but if you insist on putting quotes around a mandate for Bush (50%) then you can do the same, as an extra 2% is hardly cause for a difference

Victoria 1

posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 10:12 AM
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The libral media takes everything Limbaugh (or any conservative voice) says and makes it seem like Rebulicans are bad and we are acting crazy. Just because we have different opinions they want to silence up or make up stories. This should show people what the media and the white house is all about. If you are not on their side then you are wrong! Who the hell are they to silence anybody or say who is right and wrong. You know who does that SOCIALISTS!!!!!!!!!!1