Originally posted by Gateway
Originally posted by Animal
Please point out HOW exactly are people expressing themselves without the use of violence that is DEBILITATING the political process exactly. HAVE
people stormed into congress and burned it down like the Reichstag? I think people expressing themselves without VIOLENCE is hardly DEBILITATING
anything, much less the political process.
The protests that have been taking pace in town hall meetings is causing them be be canceled. A direct result of these protests that have affected the
Again what exactly are you referring to that is being inhibited? You mean people protesting, showing up at town hall or meetings calling
their congressman, and displaying their disgust with what is being done with their tax dollars....is inhibiting what?
because these have become aggressive and even violent the meetings are being canceled. Depriving those who wish to take part in civil debate with
their representatives the opportunity to do so.
But after a series of contentious town-hall meetings, some Democratic lawmakers are thinking twice about holding large public gatherings.
Instead, they are opting for smaller sessions, holding meetings by phone or inviting constituents for one-on-one office hours.
The only thing I see remotely inhibited is Obama's policies, by these outcries, and if this IS WHAT YOU FIND DISTURBING or unconscionable, then the
problem you have then is not with the right wingers, but with democracy and freedom of speech.
I support decent 100%. I do not support decent that is aggressive, dangerous, extreme or that denys others their right to participate.
Debate? What are you debating? I've summarized you ENTIRE POST. What's there to debate? You are not outlining issues here, you are making a
STATEMENT ON HOW YOU SEE THINGS.
You used a qualitative statement to summarize my post and ignored the quantitative content. That is not participating it is deflecting.
And how have I personally attacked you? Do you know what a blowhard is.
Blowhard was used as a character reference to me.
Your post reeks of generalizations,
I have done my best to avoid them. perhaps because you associate with one of the groups i have named you feel you have been part of a generalization.
but this is not the case.
and self aggrandizement,
Funny you think this the case. pray tell, how so? I didnt even talk about myself.
on the fact that you disregard the entire group/movement that has been building, SINCE THE BUSH administration and being CONTINUED by the current
What? This has so very little to do with the policies continued by the obama administration, in fact it has almost everything to do with my analysis
of the present state of the right.
[animal] Curious what do you think my fallacious arguments are?
[gateway] Quite right. That's because you are not making any.
Rather you are painting broad normative generalizations, while at the same time claiming that the FEW nutters that espouse REAL BIGOTRY (of which by
the way the left also has) negates the underlying issues, for which they are trying to bring to light.
your right i am not making any fallacious arguments but a clear and concise case against the EXTREME fringe of the right wing party. I am also
pointing out quite clearly the rise of this fringe and connecting this rise to the fall of the republican party.
What do you THINK about them and can you disprove them in any way?
Look, instead of focusing your efforts on writing a post which says basically:
Right wing groups, (tea parties, people who fly Gadsden flags, obama care protesters) are racists and inhibiting the political process by slowing down
the OBAMA agenda, which I (Animal) LIKE and approve of.
You should focus on really pointing out RACISTS ARGUMENTS WHEN THEY DO occur here on ATS and point them out as fallacious, moronic and of course
should be discredited.
Instead, you turn right around and paint entire groups as racists. Here you are playing into and NOW BEING A PART OF what your entire POST is all
I NEVER painted entire groups as racists that is VERY clear. Basically by the response you have made I am guessing you can not discredit my critique.
[animal] Which ad hominem attacks?
Claiming that groups who dislike government growth, such as the ones involved in tea parties or recent protests of Obama care are
crypto-racists. Don't you think this might be...might be...a BIG LEAP HERE?
I have made it perfectly clear, once again, I am not painting these groups wholesale as racist. Parts of the quite clearly are.
I'll say!!!! The left is notorious for having deep racism...as well. What do you think unions thugs have say about undocumented construction
workers, or those pesky Chinese "TAKING er" JOBS!!
Some are some are not.
Racism is clearly a two way street, here. You are not debating issues, rather by claiming the right is full of bigots, it SHOULD therefore negate any
legitimate gripe OR discord being currently displayed which those groups of people feel the encroaching growth of government is doing.
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Racism is only One part of what i am talking about but as your post demonstrates the right has found this to be an issue they can use effectively to
counter and deflect other issues so it is the staple. Yet it, in this case, is only PART of the whole.
So I am guessing you feel there is in fact no 'right wing extremist fringe' on the rise? The instances I have documented are just your average joe
and jane doing nothing out of the ordinary? all is good here folks nothing to see move along?
or do you agree that there is an extremist movement on the rise? you still have not responded to the clear focus of this thread.
[edit on 7-8-2009 by Animal]