The Rise of Rightwing Extreamism and the Fall of the Republican Party?, page 2
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reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 08:13 PM by Gateway
reply to post by Animal




Your entire rant boils down to this:

IF THEY do not like Obama's policy which include:

1) Massive increase in Government Debt.

2) Subsidizing of failed businesses. (GM, Chrysler, TARP)

3) Socializing of Heath care

4) Granting of MORE power to the FED.

5) More regulations.

6) More taxes.

7) Subsidization of Politically connected groups. (Green Industries, Unions, etc)

Therefore WE MUST BE RIGHT WING RACISTS with IDIOTIC ARGUMENTS.

Are you that much of a blowhard, that instead of debating some of these issues which is WHAT WE DISLIKE. You would rather, resort to projecting your own BRAND OF FALLACIOUS arguments AND DISTORTION OF REALITY AND RESORT TO THE SAME AD HOMINEM attacks YOU ACCUSE THE RIGHT OF partaking in.

What nerve!!

Because we don't like the policies we must therefore be racists right wing bigots!


reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 08:16 PM by redoubt
Originally posted by Animal
reply to
post by redoubt



Do me a favor and point out anywhere in my thread that I made any generalization against all the people of the south.

Then when you are done with that how about contributing to the content of the thread.

Thanks.


You didn't. I was being proactive.

(Gonna have a BBQ and beer this weekend if you are in the neighborhood )

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reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 08:21 PM by Animal
Originally posted by Gateway
reply to
post by Animal




Your entire rant boils down to this:

IF THEY do not like Obama's policy which include:


Therefore WE MUST BE RIGHT WING RACISTS with IDIOTIC ARGUMENTS.


Hardly. Perhaps you did not read my post. What I presented is evidence of the systematic rise of an extremist course of action that is debilitating political process. I did, with out a doubt, label SOME of the right in this post but defiantly not all. I am simply pointing out the rise of an extremist movement on the right that is contributing only discord and which is doing NOTHING for political process.


Are you that much of a blowhard, that instead of debating some of these issues which is WHAT WE DISLIKE.


I am actually trying to create a debate, why not participate? Personal attacks dont help BTW.


You would rather, resort to projecting your own BRAND OF FALLACIOUS arguments AND DISTORTION OF REALITY AND RESORT TO THE SAME AD HOMINEM attacks YOU ACCUSE THE RIGHT OF partaking in.

What nerve!!


Curious what do you think my fallacious arguments are? What do you THINK about them and can you disprove them in any way?

Which ad hominem attacks?


Because we don't like the policies we must therefore be racists right wing bigots!

Some clearly are.



reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 08:23 PM by redoubt
reply to post by jd140




Because anybody who spends 2 days thinking about this thread can't be that smart. If he was then he would have know that its pretty much common knowledge that both parties are the same.


Woo hoo! Somebody finally... has the picture in focus!

Bravo!

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reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 09:07 PM by Gateway
Originally posted by Animal


Hardly. Perhaps you did not read my post.

Nope I read your post, alright.



What I presented is evidence of the systematic rise of an extremist course of action that is debilitating political process.
Please point out HOW exactly are people expressing themselves without the use of violence that is DEBILITATING the political process exactly. HAVE people stormed into congress and burned it down like the Reichstag? I think people expressing themselves without VIOLENCE is hardly DEBILITATING anything, much less the political process.



I did, with out a doubt, label SOME of the right in this post but defiantly not all. I am simply pointing out the rise of an extremist movement on the right that is contributing only discord and which is doing NOTHING for political process.
Again what exactly are you referring to that is being inhibited? You mean people protesting, showing up at town hall or meetings calling their congressman, and displaying their disgust with what is being done with their tax dollars....is inhibiting what?

The only thing I see remotely inhibited is Obama's policies, by these outcries, and if this IS WHAT YOU FIND DISTURBING or unconscionable, then the problem you have then is not with the right wingers, but with democracy and freedom of speech.



I am actually trying to create a debate, why not participate? Personal attacks dont help BTW.


Debate? What are you debating? I've summarized you ENTIRE POST. What's there to debate? You are not outlining issues here, you are making a STATEMENT ON HOW YOU SEE THINGS.

And how have I personally attacked you? Do you know what a
blowhard is. Your post reeks of generalizations, and self aggrandizement, on the fact that you disregard the entire group/movement that has been building, SINCE THE BUSH administration and being CONTINUED by the current administration.


Curious what do you think my fallacious arguments are?
Quite right. That's because you are not making any. Rather you are painting broad normative generalizations, while at the same time claiming that the FEW nutters that espouse REAL BIGOTRY (of which by the way the left also has) negates the underlying issues, for which they are trying to bring to light.



What do you THINK about them and can you disprove them in any way?
Look, instead of focusing your efforts on writing a post which says basically:

Right wing groups, (tea parties, people who fly Gadsden flags, obama care protesters) are racists and inhibiting the political process by slowing down the OBAMA agenda, which I (Animal) LIKE and approve of.

You should focus on really pointing out RACISTS ARGUMENTS WHEN THEY DO occur here on ATS and point them out as fallacious, moronic and of course should be discredited.

Instead, you turn right around and paint entire groups as racists. Here you are playing into and NOW BEING A PART OF what your entire POST is all ABOUT.



Which ad hominem attacks?
Claiming that groups who dislike government growth, such as the ones involved in tea parties or recent protests of Obama care are crypto-racists. Don't you think this might be...might be...a BIG LEAP HERE?


Some clearly are.

I'll say!!!! The left is notorious for having deep racism...as well. What do you think unions thugs have say about undocumented construction workers, or those pesky Chinese "TAKING er" JOBS!!

Racism is clearly a two way street, here. You are not debating issues, rather by claiming the right is full of bigots, it SHOULD therefore negate any legitimate gripe OR discord being currently displayed which those groups of people feel the encroaching growth of government is doing.


[edit on 7-8-2009 by Gateway]


reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 09:21 PM by Gateway
reply to post by Cito



No Cito, I think Animal would prefer that we call ourselves, racists right-wing extremists because we don't like Obama's policies and are making our voices heard.

[edit on 7-8-2009 by Gateway]


reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 09:23 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by Animal



I think this has a large part to do with the Democrats attaching themselves to the racial issue and using that to get a canidate into office. With the natural response from alot of closet case racists. And of course the divisionism that the two party system inherently entails. But don't get me wrong the whole thing A to Z is stupid.


reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 09:36 PM by DaisyAnne
reply to post by Animal



You are right.
America is getting more and more polarized.
I see these extreme right wing groups have become ever more fearful and angry since they lost the election. When your very thought processes are based on fear, then what can you expect? Remember back when Bush was president and they were saying that to disagree with the president was unpatriotic? And now they are saying that to agree with the president is unpatriotic? I wish they would just come out and say what they really believe: They believe that to be liberal is to be unpatriotic.


reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 09:37 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by DaisyAnne



ANd polarization is often a prelude to Civil War. Scary huh?
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