The Rise of Rightwing Extreamism and the Fall of the Republican Party?

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posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 04:47 PM
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Since the results of the 2008 presidential election here has been an ever increasing element within the right wing political spectrum here in the USA that seeks through outright attacks and hate to hinder the Obama administration and 'left' for accomplishing anything.

Several movements, which we all here at ATS are all very aware of, have have been sparked that are, at least at face value, attacks on the left wing political spectrum and some more accurately aimed at obama himself and his administration.

These movements are emblematic of the rise of a right wing fundamentalist movement and the downward spiral of the republican party.

the first of such movements, that i can recall, are those who were openly talking of assassination, either in theory or in practice.



FOUR decades after Martin Luther King was murdered, black Americans are torn between the hope that Barack Obama will reach the White House and the fear that he too could fall to an assassin's bullet.
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A few voters even say they are reluctant to vote for Mr Obama because a Southern racist might shoot him.

"There are people in this country who will not accept a black president," said Marvin Henderson, 32, at a Bill Clinton rally in Amherst, New Hampshire.

"Even before he got elected, I think some redneck or the Ku Klux Klan would try to do something about it."
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at first this just seemed to be the fears of those still living with rampant racism in the south or the fears of those who personally remember the assassination of ml king jr.

sadly however these fears were given validity as actual plots to kill the president surfaced:



Just days before Barack Obama accepts the Democratic nomination before an open-air crowd on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King's 'I Have A Dream' speech, the authorities in Denver are investigating a possible assassination plot against the man bidding to be the first black president in the White House.

Three people were being held in custody, one of whom jumped from a sixth floor window of a hotel in an attempt to escape. Denver police revealed that they had earlier found two high-powered rifles, one with a telescopic sight as well as a bullet proof vest, camouflage clothing, and walkie-talkies during a routine traffic check. At least one of the rifles had been stolen Kansas. The police also discovered 44 grams of methamphetamine in the car.
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Two white supremacists allegedly plotted to go on a national killing rampage, shooting and decapitating black people and ultimately targeting Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama, federal authorities said yesterday.

The two men whom officials describe as neo-Nazi skinheads planned to kill 88 people in all -- 14 by beheading, according to documents unsealed in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Tenn. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic for white supremacists.
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Steven Joseph Christopher was arrested in Brookhaven, Mississippi after having made threats to assassinate US President elect Barack Obama during his January 20 inauguration, according to the US Department of Justice.

"Threats against the president-elect will be taken very seriously," said US attorney Dunn Lampton.

Christopher, who is from Wisconsin, was arrested by the Secret Service in Brookhaven on Friday, after two threats were posted on the Internet, The Telegraph reported.

Federal prosecutors said that he was charged with threatening to kill Obama for what he claimed was "the country's own good".
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These disturbing events sadly were only the beginning of the right wings spiral into implosion. The obvious motive behind these ‘assassination’ plots were clearly motivated by both race and political affiliation. Such deep sentiments of resentment and hatred are shocking. In the 21st century that there are still people who believe that a ‘black’ man or woman should not be president ‘for the good of the country’ is rather startling.

Also sad news is that this knee jerk reaction of anger and hate was only the beginning of what now appears to be a festering ill-content that has spurred the extremes of right wing America to viciously attack Obama and his administration in a rather hateful and distasteful manner.

Another movement born during the Obama run for presidency was the rise of what continues today and is known as the ‘Birther Movement’; a movement that insists that Obama is not a natural born American and therefore ineligible for the office. Despite overwhelming evidence to support both Obama’s citizenship and eligibility for office this group remains steadfast in it’s claim that Obama is an ‘outsider’ who should not be in office. While there are many in this group who claim this is not about race that is sadly a hard line to swallow as the premise of this movement is paint Obama as an ‘outsider’ and perhaps a ‘undocumented’ or ‘illegal immigrant’, an issue that has EVERYTHING to do with race.


As anyone with a relative with a tinfoil hat knows, the birthers believe Barack Obama is a Kenyan citizen who became president of the United States through trickery. They argue that Mr. Obama's presidency is, thus, constitutionally invalid. Even CNN's Lou Dobbs has given legitimacy to their paranoid ravings by insisting on "more documentation" from the Obama White House on the issue.

Read more: www.post-gazette.com...
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The long hunt for the new leader of the Republican Party has at last come to an end, and the winner isn't Rush Limbaugh, Mitt Romney, or even Sarah Palin, but this woman in a red T-shirt:

If you're going to lead a low-tech lynch mob, you've got to be able to get that Gilbert Gottfried screech into your voice like the Lady in Red does when she says, "I want my country back!" That's leadership for you, ever so much more forceful than poor Delaware Rep. Mike Castle, a GOP moderate (one of eight who voted for the House climate change bill), who seems to be ducking a personal Oxbow Incident by meekly asking the crowd if they'd like him to "lead" the Pledge of Allegiance. By then the crowd is already on its feet, one hand on their hearts and the other on an imaginary holster, insisting, like their dimestore-flag-waving leader, that they "don't want this flag to change!"

It's paranoid, it's deranged, and it's as American as Andrew Jackson and the rebel yell. What's different now is that the nativist right has finally had their bluff called by the landslide election of a black man as president, and their centuries-old legitimacy is in question as it never has been since Appomattox. So they are desperately projecting that self-doubt onto reality itself.
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The quote ‘I want my country back’ was highlighted t point out the sentiment that links directly to race and the notion that Obama is somehow ‘not one of us’ and has thus somehow stolen our nation from under our very noses.



The next round of movements perpetrated by the right wing to the best of my knowledge was the ‘Tea Bagging” events. Poorly named rallies that were intended to reflect back to the Boston Tea Party and were intended to be rallies against ‘taxes’ as far as I can tell for available information of the true cause.


Thousands of protesters yelled and jeered Wednesday in cities from Anchorage to Atlanta as part of "Tax Day Tea Parties" aimed at expressing outrage over government spending.

The effort, grown through blogs, e-mails and social networking websites such as Facebook, was directed at President Obama's spending policies. Protesters even threw a box of tea bags toward the White House and caused a brief lockdown.

In Lansing, Mich., 3,000 to 4,000 people cheered Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, who became known as "Joe the Plumber" during the 2008 presidential campaign after he confronted Obama about raising taxes.

"I came here today to have my voice heard," Wurzelbacher said. "I'm going to keep working, calling my senator, my congressman. The more your voice is heard, the more actual change that can take place."

The tea parties were promoted by several conservative groups, including FreedomWorks, based in Washington and led by former Republican House majority leader Dick Armey of Texas.
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Across the country, Republicans and their conservative allies sought to ignite a grass-roots rebellion against President Barack Obama on Wednesday, staging scores of Tax Day "tea parties" to demand tax cuts, lower federal spending and smaller government.
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Janet Napolitano was right. There were hatemongers at the Tea Party rallies on Tax Day. They called themselves “reporters.”

The Department of Homeland Security released a pre-emptive “assessment report” on the dangers of “right-wing extremists” just a week before the tax protest rallies.

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posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 04:47 PM
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According to DHS, these potentially include pro-lifers, supporters of border security and that notoriously unstable group - U.S. military veterans.
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The newest movement to take root is the one that is against what the right likes to call “Obamacare”. While I will not argue with their right as citizens of the USA to protest anything what so ever I do have to call this movements new tactic of equating Obama to a Nazi in regards to this legislation.


The photo was shot in Fort Collins, Colo., at a protest outside the office of Rep. Betsy Markey, a Democrat. Just in case it isn’t clear from the description, the poster looks like a symbolic no-smoking sign, with a swastika in place of a cigarette.



I went to the Philadelphia Town Hall… There was at least one sign that protested “Obama’s Nazi healthcare” bill. Apparently the contention was that the bill would fund abortions and would lead to euthanasia of senior citizens, and that this was basically Nazi territory.


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There was at least one sign that protested “Obama’s Nazi healthcare” bill. Apparently the contention was that the bill would fund abortions and would lead to euthanasia of senior citizens, and that this was basically Nazi territory.


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This sort of action has become sadly emblematic of the right wing since the departure of the bush administration and the rise of the Obama administration. We have seen the rise of a movement that is based on outright hate and rage that there is an administration such as Obama’s in office.

What intrigues me is the incredible amount of hate and derangement that the right has been displaying in this new crusade against the left. The many mini movements on the right all seem to spiral into derogatory hatful attacks and the logic argument these groups could use seem to vanish in the mist of rage.

What I think we are seeing is akin to what is seen in pack animals when power shifts. The alpha, whose dominance is waning fights DESPERATLY to maintain control, becoming evermore aggressive in order to stem off the inevitable, change. The right wing was in almost complete control of this nation for eight years, even when the democrats took over the majority of congress they still did not have enough votes to pass any bills or prevent any republican actions making the republicans the party in control even in that time period.

Sadly for the right the right wing politicians acted so poorly and made so many grave errors that the left completely swept the nation clean from right wing control leaving the right wing masses feeling the impending loss of political power. Thus was born the fringe movement we see the right having become today.

Rather than working diligently to recreate legitimacy and therefore legitimate political power and capital in their political faction they have stooped, like the dying alpha wolf to vicious attacks and slanderous behavior. A course of action that seems is only leading the right deeper into the pits of irrelevance and despair.

I am personally very curious to see how far down the right goes before making any type of comeback.

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I forgot to mention the latest development in the right wings movement to bring down obama and his administration, the call for the disruption of local town hall meetings.


Several conservative groups are engaged in efforts to encourage their members to attend town halls. Conservative organizations opposed to health care reform -- including FreedomWorks, Americans for Prosperity, and Conservatives for Patients' Rights -- are conducting a campaign to turn out their supporters to attend those events. CPR has reportedly "confirmed that it has undertaken a concerted effort to get people out to the town hall meetings to protest reform," while FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity have reportedly "organized" the town hall protestors and are "harnessing social networking Web sites to organize their supporters in much the same way Mr. Obama did during his election campaign." [Greg Sargent, The Plum Line, 8/4/09; The New York Times, 8/3/09]

America's Health Insurance Plans reportedly deploying employees to "track[] where local lawmakers hold town-hall meetings," "rebut" Democrats

Fox News follows up "tea party" promotion with promotion of town hall disruptions

Conservative media birthers also pushing town hall disruptions
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The Web site Politico.com on Sunday published a leaked memo written by MacGuffie, "Rocking the Town Halls — Best Practices," in which he detailed how to infiltrate and harass the forums. In the memo, MacGuffie described how the strategy was successful in ruining Rep. Jim Himes' town hall meeting in Fairfield, Conn., and encouraged opponents of Obama's health-care reform proposal to use shouting and interruptions. MacGuffie could not be reached Tuesday for comment.
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Conservative critics of President Barack Obama's plan for health care reform are demanding town hall forums across the country, because they want to give members of Congress — particularly Democrats who support the president — an earful of why they think it is a bad idea. Several town halls in other states have become instant YouTube classics, with shouting, angry mobs humiliating congressmen. For the Democrats, it smells like a set-up by conservative advocacy groups such as Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks. Democrats say these groups are trying to torpedo meaningful health care reform.
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This is the latest display of outright hate and aggression waged by the right wing fringe. Rather than taking the opportunity to merely PARTICIPATE in the political system the right has decided the best way to make 'waves' is through aggression and disruption robbing those who are interested in civil and logical debate of their forums to do so.



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posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 05:12 PM
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That is a nice job of Liberal propaganda that you have produced there. It is great to create all these fantasies of why the majority of the country is moving away from your policies. So I guess a few crazy racists means that we all are against the Liberal agenda because Obama is black. I dont even care if he is black, and if you want to get technical he is half white too. Peope arent doing this because they are racist or extremists, it is because they can forsee by the words of people like Obama, Pelosi, and Frank that their ultimate goal is socialism, and in respect to health care they have all made statements that the perfect system in their eyes is a single payer system.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe we are against their policies because they will bankrupt the nation, they arent giving us any choice, they arent being transparent. In fact they are doing everything they can to sneak this bill in behind our backs and force it down our throats.

How did you guys jump from we disagree with Liberal policies to we are all ready to tar and feather the President just because he is half black? That is ridiculous.

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posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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Good OP!

Interestingly enough, there's another thread created today talking about the fall of Liberals and the rise of Conservatism, although it isn't worded quite as nicely as this one. I wonder which is more correct?

I believe the Republican party is beginning to fracture. You have the moderates and intellectuals in the party who concern themselves with fiscal responsibility and small government who desperately want to bring attention to Obama's spending programs.

Then you have the disenfranchised fundamentalist and religious base. This election saw them lose all of the gains made in government (and then some) of the past decade and a half, a rapid expansion of government oversight, and the rise of a President who is much more liberal than any president we've had in a long while. That's pretty scary, don't you think? I know I was disheartened and a little afraid when Bush was elected for the second time, so I know what they're feeling.

Unfortunately, this second faction also has a very vocal ignorant element twinged with fears of losing all control and stoked by either a conscious or sub-conscious rationale that America is losing it's Leave It to Beaver white dominance and being replaced by something much more liberal and much less monochromatic. I'm not saying that all of these people feel this way, but it's still present.

Time will tell if the Republicans will be able to unify their party and create a coherent message for the next round of elections. Perhaps they will, and perhaps the two factions will split, or we'll see more migration of moderates from the Republican to Democratic camp.

I can tell you right now though a lot of what they're doing doesn't look good to the rest of us. Not that Democrats are much better, but when an independent has a choice to make, they might just choose Democrat because they don't seem nearly as...chaotic.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 05:22 PM
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Your examples are of meth addicts and white supremecists. Then you got some exmples of protests followed by somebody saying it's racism just because they say it is. This post kinda makes me sick a little bit.

I've not really been in the birther argument very much at all, but at least i can understand how they were fooled, as the hoax, from what i heard, seemed to be pretty elaborate, and obama's history was very multinational.

The above post kinda says to me if you disagree with obama you're a racist.

what i'd like to see are documented orders from kkk affiliates saying that people should go to tea party meetings and protests. Or maybe orders from anyone at all, similar to the orders obama's party gave the union heads to protest the left's. Or maybe if i see some of these "right wing extremists" attacking liberals handing out flyers, as i saw in a video earlier.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by Avenginggecko
Interestingly enough, there's another thread created today talking about the fall of Liberals and the rise of Conservatism

Where do you think the OP got the idea.

You don't really think the OP thought of it on his own do you?


Oh, and the entire OP is BS libroid fantasy.



[edit on 8/7/2009 by WhatTheory]



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by grapesofraft
Peope arent doing this because they are racist or extremists, it is because they can forsee by the words of people like Obama, Pelosi, and Frank that their ultimate goal is socialism.


What's Wrong with Socialism? It is the combined elements of Capitalism and Communism. With socialism everyone has the right to get enough to survive from communism, while you still get the chance to make millions off of an idea, or service.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by The Killah29
What's Wrong with Socialism?

If you have to ask then it's probably already to late for you to come to your senses.

However, tell me what socialist country is better than America?
Nuff said.


Unfortunately with the way our country has been sliding towards socialism it will not be long before we are pulled down to their level instead of the ideals of America pulling them up from the crapper.

The same happens within the country. Instead of having people prosper and giving even the poorest of people a chance to become wealthy, socialism makes everybody equally miserable and poor and succumb to the will of the government.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by grapesofraft
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That is a nice job of Liberal propaganda that you have produced there.


This is not intended to be propaganda, it is my honest assessment of a movement of growing proportions on the right.



So I guess a few crazy racists means that we all are against the Liberal agenda because Obama is black.


For those of the crazy racist leanings yes, it does.



Peope arent doing this because they are racist or extremists, it is because they can forsee by the words of people like Obama, Pelosi, and Frank that their ultimate goal is socialism, and in respect to health care they have all made statements that the perfect system in their eyes is a single payer system.


The question is not about the right or wrong perceived in the policies the question is focused squarely on the the methods employed to question the policy. In these cases we see extremism with out a doubt.



... they arent being transparent. In fact they are doing everything they can to sneak this bill in behind our backs and force it down our throats.


Really? It seems pretty out int he open to me mate. Perhaps you could elaborate on the sneeky tactics they are using?



Originally posted by heyo
Your examples are of meth addicts and white supremecists. Then you got some exmples of protests followed by somebody saying it's racism just because they say it is. This post kinda makes me sick a little bit.


It makes me more than a little sick.



The above post kinda says to me if you disagree with obama you're a racist.


This was in no way my intention. I do not believe that all those who oppose obama are racist, but I do believe that many are.




Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
Interestingly enough, there's another thread created today talking about the fall of Liberals and the rise of Conservatism

Where do you think the OP got the idea.

You don't really think the OP thought of it on his own do you?



Actually I have not yet seen the other thread, this was 2 days in the making. Flame me if you like and if it makes you feel better to believe I am not capable of original though feel free.



Oh, and the entire OP is BS libroid fantasy.



Really how so? Do you not see signs of extremism in the behavior I documented in this thread? I AM with out a doubt a progressive, that means I believe in progress and I whole heatedly believe that progress can be achieved with both the left and right working together, intentionally or unintentionally. However, the behavior I see as becoming common to the right is in no way constructive and helpful. It is IMHO obstructionist and aggressive behavior based souly on the goal of 'winning'.


Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by The Killah29
What's Wrong with Socialism?

If you have to ask then it's probably already to late for you to come to your senses.


Choosing to ignore the socialist elements of the USA are you? Too bad. Besides which I would LOVE for you to clearly demonstrate what it is that is being proposed which is in fact socialist.



However, tell me what socialist country is better than America?
Nuff said.



A completely QUALITATIVE statement and so arrogant as to be comical.



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posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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Great OP.
I just saw another thread about how the NAZI like Obama administration was attacking poor, poor Rush.
Awwwww.
Rush, and the rest of the right is not attacking ideas, not even using rhetoric, they are simply lying and using any sleazy propaganda technique they can. They are activly fostering violence agains "liberals", while offering no ideas of their own.
Jesus ATS'ers, Rush threw a hissy fit because Rommney didn't get the nomination! ROMMNEY! Talk about a tool of the upper classes!
And you simply buy Rush's BS that his concern is Liberty?
AMAZING!



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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Great OP.
I just saw another thread about how the NAZI like Obama administration was attacking poor, poor Rush.
Awwwww.
Rush, and the rest of the right is not attacking ideas, not even using rhetoric, they are simply lying and using any sleazy propaganda technique they can. They are activly fostering violence agains "liberals", while offering no ideas of their own.
Jesus ATS'ers, Rush threw a hissy fit because Rommney didn't get the nomination! ROMMNEY! Talk about a tool of the upper classes!
And you simply buy Rush's BS that his concern is Liberty?
AMAZING!



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
Great OP.


Thanks. I do what I can.




I just saw another thread about how the NAZI like Obama administration was attacking poor, poor Rush.
Awwwww.


I am amazed at peoples fascination with Rush, he is really such an elitist tool, making hte masses into the tool of the supreme elitists. And it is so painfully obvious too.



Rush, and the rest of the right is not attacking ideas, not even using rhetoric, they are simply lying and using any sleazy propaganda technique they can. They are activly fostering violence agains "liberals", while offering no ideas of their own.


They are simply trying to hamstring the opposition so their half rate policies will again look good.



Jesus ATS'ers, Rush threw a hissy fit because Rommney didn't get the nomination! ROMMNEY! Talk about a tool of the upper classes!
And you simply buy Rush's BS that his concern is Liberty?
AMAZING!


Shhhh! don't point out the hypocrisy, heads will explode.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:46 PM
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Rightwing extremism is not hurting the Republican Party....the McCain moderates are.

If voters are given a Conservative option vs a Liberal option, they take the conservative option everytime.

In 2008 the voters were given the choice of a extreme liberal and a moderate conservative that was going to make sure the extreme liberals were appeased. The "Extreme Rightwing" were left with no one to support.

We lost a moderate today in the Senate when Mel (Sotomayor) Martinez announced his retirement. If Gov. Crist was smart (He isn't, he's another freaking moderate) he would appoint Jeb Bush to the Senate.

Anyway the Republican Party is on the rise again thanks to their best friend.....Mullah Obama. But if they don't move to the right they are no better than the scum running this country right now.

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posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:51 PM
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Of all the critcism of "obamabots", isn't it interesting that the biggest "do as your told" crowd gets their information from entertainers.
Rush
O Reilley
Hannity ( ick)
I guess people have short memories, the eight years of Bush pale to the....SIX MONTHS of Obama.
All you have to do is cry Liberty, Patriotism.....or fire in a crowded theater.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
Of all the critcism of "obamabots", isn't it interesting that the biggest "do as your told" crowd gets their information from entertainers.
Rush
O Reilley
Hannity ( ick)
I guess people have short memories, the eight years of Bush pale to the....SIX MONTHS of Obama.
All you have to do is cry Liberty, Patriotism.....or fire in a crowded theater.

This is why you are ignorant.
People don't get their marching order from talk radio.

People listen to talk radio because the hosts are expressing their own views. Since most media is biased on the liberal side, talk radio is one of the only areas left where conservatives can get some relief from all the arrogant drivel spewed by the MSM.

Silly libroid. I know you are used to getting your talking points from the liberal media but that is not how it works on the other side.

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posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:59 PM
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What I find most telling in the responses I have seen from those who disagree with the content of my OP is the complete lack of any criticism of what I provided as proof or any sort of evidence to counter what I have said.

While what I have shared here is of course my opinion I support it with evidence to prove my point.

I imagine I will not be seeing much in terms of a logically formed argument either because those who disagree don't want to put in the effort, are incapable, or simply because there is no evidence with which to counter my logically formed argument.

This highlights another of the critical flaws inherent to the right today, the inability to deal with reality on realities grounds.

Like OldDragger noted so many on the right take their marching orders from the media mouth pieces of the right and for some reason never do the research to either support or dismiss what their handlers tell them. Thus we are left with autotomitons who do as they are told, which includes not thinking for themselves.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 08:05 PM
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The Rise of Rightwing Extreamism and the Fall of the Republican Party? Since the results of the 2008 presidential election here has been an ever increasing element within the right wing political spectrum here in the USA that seeks through outright attacks and hate to hinder the Obama administration and 'left' for accomplishing anything.

Gak... and please, don't think I am ignoring the remainder of your rant either.

First, let me introduce myself. My name is Mike... or 'Redoubt' here at the ATS. I am a lifelong southerner and no doubt, one of those 'righters' you will have found fault with.

The standard stereotype says that southerners are bigots and because of that, our opinions can be summed up in the same verse that speaks to all kinds of prejudices and the former Confederate States that harbored slavery. It's a good gig because you don't have to then pay attention to anything a southerner says.

Being from the south, however, does not mean we were all born into some union of the same belief. yes, I know that may be difficult to grasp... but no, I did not marry my sister. (The kid in high school beat me to her...)

Now, I don't own a slave either... and some of my best friends voted for Obama. We don't take our political leanings to church... not the one I attend but yes, some do.

All this stuff about red states and blues states... and people who disagree with our new president being enemies of the state? That's crazy. I do indeed disagree with his plan to cover America with a thick coat of healthcare but I am in no ways anywhere near inciting a revolution. In point of fact, I think poor folks should have a means to choice and care...

I just disagree with having laid-off transit workers and UAW members doing surgery.

(hack-hack)

Now, yall will excuse me 'cause I have a field of cotton coming in and my dog done forgot how to yank the handle on the tractor bin.

(Yo, Bueaurgard, pull harder boy!)

...

Duh. Just... duh.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 08:08 PM
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Just the opinion of an Independent here...

Both side, (Dems and Reps) are loosing ground to those of us that actually think about whats going on in the country.

Cliche statements like: Socialists, Obamabots, "they're Nazis!" and "Mullah Obama" show nothing but ignorance of the topics.

The never ending: "They're Terrosists" or "they're racists" don't help either.

I have yet, in any of the threads related to Obama's policies on ATS, to see an intelligent debate by either side.

Both sides argue like a bunch of children who want to control the playground and its absolutely rediculous.

Hopefully 2012 leads to the rise of the independents, otherwise this country is gonna fall. If it falls its the republicans and the democrats fault. They're the ones in charge and neither side is worth the stuff I scraped off my shoe after mowing the lawn.

Republicans

Democrats:


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posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 08:08 PM
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Do me a favor and point out anywhere in my thread that I made any generalization against all the people of the south.

Then when you are done with that how about contributing to the content of the thread.

Thanks.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 08:10 PM
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I hosted several Barak meetups at my house when he first started the "Yes We Can" bid for the White House. I thought of him as a Washington outsider, a Christian, and someone who was a peacemaker. I thought he would turn around the neo-Nazi Bush administration's "Patriot Act" and repeal the gestapo-like tendencies of our government. He did not. In fact, it has even gotten worse with bill's being introduced about organic farming, increased FEMA authority, and now he is pushing the flu shots too and my fear is they will become mandatory. I don't know who he is anymore.

Yes, I want the poor to have Healthcare, and I don't even mind "socialism" as the economic state. Not everyone is beautiful, intelligent, athletic ubermensch who can rise to the top. If you work hard you ought to be able to live and pay the bills.

My issues are the totalitarian policies. A true democratic, non-spying, libertarian government that at the will of the people (not forced upon them) that would choose to provide these things to the poor...that I'm fine with. What I fear is the slippery slope to RID chip "cards" for healthcare and banking, then embedded chips and that seems to be the way we're going.

I miss what I thought Barak would be. One more hope dashed.

I'm not a neo-conservative, and I didn't use to be paranoid, but heck! If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, has feathers, webbed feet, and quacks while swimming...its probably a duck.





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