Da Vinci Crop circle ( the netherlands)

reply to post by ArMaP


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I understand fully that to some the "according to ET" part
seems doubtful.

If some think science is not actually studying the subtle planes
of matter, do some research at international patent offices.

Use the keyword: Body-Energy.

You will find 60+ years of related scientific research and patents.

These patents are written and handed out
while PLAGIARIZING ancient Vedic literature.

India is currently undertaking legal steps
in order to protect their historic legacy
from the hands of commerce/patents.

All this research relates to the science of electro-magnetism,
and this subject is highly classified and controversial.

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Leonardo Da Vinci.

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Has anyone mentioned that Leonardo Da Vinci
is known to have envisioned the idea of Flight?

He extensively studied birds.

He even tried to make science out of all of it.

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Originally posted by Sol12
Has anyone mentioned that Leonardo Da Vinci is known to have envisioned the idea of Flight?

No, probably because it is not relevant to the thread.

He even tried to make science out of all of it.

And it was an epic fail, the guy testing the "flying machine" was almost killed in the experiment, if I remember it well. Otto Lilienthal was one of the first people to understand what was happening and the first to reproduce it artificially consistently, even if could only glide. He died during an experiment.

reply to post by ArMaP

Originally posted by ArMaP
"No, probably because it is not relevant to the thread."

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Many have been linking this cropcircle
to Da Vinci's Vetruvius Man?

Hence, the title of the thread.

I don't consider having a dream,
and making a sincere study,
as an "epic fail".

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Leonardo Da Vinci, Bird's-Eye View of a Landscape.

Dated, 1502.


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i thought it had already been made known that this was man made? no significant meaning, just an advertisement.

Originally posted by Sol12
Many have been linking this cropcircle to Da Vinci's Vetruvius Man?

Yes, but it's not linked in any way to other DaVinci's works.

I don't consider having a dream, and making a sincere study, as an "epic fail".

I do, considering that he never achieved what he wanted and almost killed a person because of his dream.

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Does ATS say you may not discus leonardo da vinci when it has the elements of it. Werther Its been proved or not ? so go on as you were armap and sol12

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Hi observer.

How are you hanging in there,
earning all those stars and flags
without having to sweat?

Need a bag?

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I just thought to add a lighter note,
after explaining about the nuclear disaster
which is taking place right in this area
where the DaVinci/Butterfly has appeared.

Nuclear power plant Borssele, and the
national nuclear storage facility close to it.

That is one reason why I posted some images related to
Da Vinci's fascination with Flight.

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In any case,

One main question here, is whether Mr Delfgaauw
and his xldsign are going to present some
actual proof to their empty claim some day?

It is not looking too good for xldsign.

All they have offered the world so far,
is absolutely nothing?

And a claim to what?

Delfgaauw is making the impression not to quite
understand the imagery he purports to have designed?

This story has holes from so many sides,
that I understand nobody is going to
make this look worse than it already does.

It is very simple.

It is evidently not in their interest to
have people talk about this and investigate.

Contributing to this discussion,
here on ATS or elsewhere, would only be
a confirmation that they indeed have
something to proof and explain.

Which they can't, and therefore they wont.

Not even on their own hobby site.

Neither seems anyone else willing to publicly talk
of those allegedly involved?

Meanwhile the facts seem obvious
to anyone following the leads
provided in some posts on this thread,
and to some, they are obvious without.

Delfgaauw/xldsign seems a front to provide instant
cover-stories, when cropcircles appear in the region.

The land-owner is NOT involved.

There is NO publicity/promotion/campaign.

No one else is making any public claims.

Dutch press refuses to investigate.

Those are some actual facts.

And there are more.

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xldsign has in fact admitted on their site,
that this is NOT an external promotion campaign.

They say now, they themselves took the initiative,
only for the sake of xldsign.

On the site it is not stated that Delfgaauw designed this,
in spite of initial reports that he did.

It merely states, xldsign created this.

www.xld-sign.com...

Anyone is entirely free, to continue to 'believe' Delfgaauw/xldsign,
while they continue to offer their 'believers'
absolutely nothing?

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Amazing, what all can come to light
after the appearance of
one single butterfly
in a field.

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reply to post by Sol12


I have noticed in your writings that this CC was placed near nuclear facility. That alone is strange, Like some sort of protest. But what I don't see is any reaction from CC researchers who want to See this CC and do some tests to exclude this Circles mystery

I 'm not an researcher So I can not proof if its real or not. But my feeling says that this story that Its man made comes close.

But some field tests would be some of great value . I believe this can be done afterwards if the crop is already been harvest.

Originally posted by Sol12
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Only few people know that the land-owner is actually
very closely associated with the government and
advanced scientific research.

This is one reason why they have a Royal connection.

This is a HIGH-TECH agricultural research area.

The code name here is: IMHOTEP.




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How did you get this info. That gives this CC indeed some question marks . But if this is true . What would in your opinion this Crop Circles message be if it was made from some sort of entity ?

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Location of the DaVinci/Butterfly.

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Below are some images that provide insight to
the location, we are dealing with.

The first image shows south-west Netherlands.

The red circled area with the small green flag
indicates the actual region:

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The second image below is from google-earth.

The smallest red circle indicates land-owners head-quarters.

The red circle left of this shows the actual field
where the CC appeared.

The large red oval below indicates nuclear power plant Borssele,
and the national nuclear storage facility.

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The following image shows an area in yellow,
which indicates property of the land-owner.

The red circle on the right is land-owners head-quarters.
On the left side is encircled the field of the CC.

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The image below is a close-up from the CC field from google-earth.

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Finally, one of those very poorly enhanced down graded photographs,
provided by Joop van Houdt, the discoverer,
which includes some of the area.

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reply to post by 0bserver1

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Questions, questions.

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Observer,

For me the biggest question mark here
is the fact that xldsign is not providing
any kind of details/facts, after more than 2 weeks now?

Anyone who follows the link to their site has
to agree with this observation.

A claim without facts, is NOT a claim.

Simple.

I mean, how many times does one have to spell this
out before some start to check this out,
and see that I am not asking anything unusual?

Why should I bother investigating,
if the 'facts' were obvious and published?

www.xld-sign.com...

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The next big question mark is the fact that it
has turned out now, that none of the elements of
the cover-story are true.

There is no point repeating what I wrote in my
last few posts. It's all there.

(Only xldsign is involved, no publicity,
no land-owner involved, etc.)

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Then, we have another big question mark related to the
so-called Dutch CC-scene?

As far as I'm concerned, they have failed dramatically
to inform people, and to seriously investigate this matter.

I know of only two actual serious CC-researchers in Holland,
who publish some of their findings in public.

Both of these individuals, so far, wisely,
have not made any statements about the DaVinci/Butterfly.

The rest of them, have exposed themselves
as mere 'gatekeepers'.

They are not actual researchers with a sincere intent
to study and inform.

DCCA and Niburu.nl are the two main axis involved in
spreading the initial cover-story, and one local newspaper
called PZC.

Everyone else is only linking to them, without doing
any research.

Meanwhile, the few in Holland who have heard about the
DaVinci/Butterfly, have either already forgotten about it,
or lost interest due to a lack of information.

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Then, we have another problem.

Which established science lab/institute volunteers
to be openly associated with cropcircle research?

You see?

Unless you have a lab, it isn't very easy to prove something.

Then again, the hard fact of a giant cropcircle in
a Dutch field is very real indeed.

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Regarding IMHOTEP.

How did I get this info?

This information can be found on land-owner's website too.
I've provided the link earlier.

www.kmwp.nl...

Also, you can learn many things while visiting the area,
look around, and talk with some of the locals.

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Finally,

If xldsign did not create this, who did?

Should we speculate?

Yes we should.

What does it all mean then?

As far as I'm concerned, I have already provided
some indication to my personal beliefs regarding
this matter.

Regarding this particular cropcircle, I don't feel like
offering Delfgaauw the story, he is lacking so badly.

Many more things could be said about this design,
and I'm still awaiting their inspired explanation,
though hardly expecting any additional statements.

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Face it,

Delfgaauw and his companions are business men.

They are NOT artists.

They are NOT environmental activists.

Let's say, from a business point of view and regarding PR,
this 'project' can be considered a dramatic failure.

Who is going to invest time and money
in a mega 'project' like this?

No cause, no publicity, no revenue?

They could have established their name nation-wide,
even around the world?

The DaVinci/butterfly was harvested 17th of August 2009.

Why did they let the opportunity pass by?

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Pretty amazing, thats all i can say really.

Originally posted by Sol12
The next big question mark is the fact that it has turned out now, that none of the elements of the cover-story are true.

Do you meant that there was not a confirmation of the elements as being true or do you mean that there was a confirmation that they were not true?

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As I wrote,

There is no point repeating what I wrote in my
last few posts. It's all there.

You be the judge.

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Did they check the crops? that'll prove whether or not it's manmade.

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It's probably there, but I find it very hard to understand what you write, whenever someone writes in a way that is not the stereotypical English I have some troubles understanding it.

I just want to add something here.

I saw how this cropcircle is linked to Da Vincis work, and know even as "how Da vinci was the first one to theorize on flight, so there must be a link".

People are saying how this is an "upgrade" of the Vitruvian Man and how it is "artistic" and "beautiful" (talking of it as a paiting).


This is very wrong in many ways.

I have stated several times I study filmmaking. There was where I first got my attention on what the Vitruvian Man was (talking on the law of 3 thirds and framing a picture).

The Vitruvian Man is more a ARQUITECHTURA work than an artistic one. (YES! It is the bridge between both but still...). Its the CANON OF PROPORTIONS and it is not a original work of DA VINCI but based of the works of the architect Vitruvius Pollio.

In a very resumed way, this architect tried to state how everything in this world is designed with a law of proportions. From plants, to earth, and applied that work to architecture itself.

LATER Da Vinci, applied this analisis to the human itself, proving in some way we also have this proportions.

Though this was also done (in a less arthistic fashion and without the mirror writing and genius of Da Vinci) by Cesare Cesariano

MY POINT here is that first, if it is in fact based on Da Vincis Virtruvian Man, then it fails miserably. Geometrically, there is not a continuity of the law of proportions (that is what the original is for), in fact there are not proportions and equity at all, which is the beauty and genius of the original.

So if it is in fact a "message" from "something else", Im sure it has nothing to do with Da Vinci and his work. If it is made by humans, its just a way to do the "cool Da Vinci guy" with antennas and butterfly, "you know, like a new version" but fails to get the actual point of the genius. (Da Vinci didnt want to draw a perfect man, that was done way before him in drawing and more importantly sculture. Want he wanted was to prove the Canon of Proportions).

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Regarding elements of the cover-story.

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ArMap,

If you would indeed follow the leads I've provided
(Sorry, some is Dutch only), and you understand
the whole picture here, than you may conclude that
there is no confirmation that certain elements are true,
and there is confirmation that certain elements are not true.

All that remains basically, is a bare claim on xldsign website.

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