Ex-employees Claim Blackwater Pimped Out Young Iraqi Girls

Incidentally, the letters "IE/XE" or "IC/XC" (with the bar above them) is the Greek abbreviation for Jesus Christ. XE is the contraction for Christ. Commonly mediaeval icons of Jesus Christ's image is accompanied with inscriptions of IE for Jesus and of course XE for Christ.

The new name for Blackwater is XE. Jesus complex anyone?

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Originally posted by ninecrimes
He-said, she-said.

Where's the proof? Until I see any (this post shows ZERO evidence, not a single shred), I am pretty offended by this post.

Lame. Lame. Lame.

Hey look, an ignorant new member.

When someone agrees to testify with a sworn affidavit, it is pretty clear they aren't making it up. What do they stand to gain?

Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Blackwater do have aircraft now. I don't have the article in front of me, but they do have aircraft.

They contracted with a factory out of Brazil to build what I'd liken' to WW 2 fighter craft.

No kidding, it's for crowd control, and I forget, but the planes have either 50 cal machine guns, or 20mm cannons on board. They are deployed in the States.

The article came out around 1 to 1 1/2 years ago.

Actually fixed wing propeller aircraft make a very stable close in air to ground machine gun platform that is highly accurate and deadly.

The Navy operated propeller aircraft for that reason all throughout Vietnam for close in air support missions.

I read an article the other day that the Special Forces in Afghanistan are bringing a propeller fixed wing plane back into active service for that same mission, they can swoop in with more agility than a helicopter and travel at much slower speeds than Jet Aircraft to linger longer on and over a target and assess the ground through human instead of electronic eyes and become even more effective with spotters on the ground.

MasonWatcher as usual had a lot of fine points in his post too.

Farming out some of these very inhumane missions to Blackwater/XE allowed the adminsitration to effectively get the bang for the buck that it wanted with deniability and an ability to distance themselves from it too.

I really hope that we will turn over all suspects and all evidence to Iraq and let the people who suffered from their actions be the ones to try and prosecute and punish them as they see fitting.

The whole world spins out of control when people don't have to face consequences for their inhuman actions and crimes and what creates a terrorism problem is when laws and standards aren't applied evenly.

Letting Iraq try such criminals would send a strong message that Americans are accountable to other peoples when they break laws against those peoples.

Perhaps there needs to be a To Catch a Predator: Iraq Special.

Ah, dear old Blackwater USA - one of my favorite topics! The
allegations over pimping young Iraqi girls would hardly
surprise me. I would not condemn wholesale everyone
who works for Xe now; I'm sure there are some good men
working for them who do not condone or participate in such
activities.

First of all, contractors to the US military are NOT prosecutable
by Iraqi civilian authorities ( thank Paul Bremer for that). Nor
are they under the authority of the USCMJ (united states code
of military justice). They BELIEVE themselves to be immune
from any criminal prosecution whatsoever. This only adds to
the problem of illegal activity by contractors.

Another objection I have to Bwater/Xe is that they are a
mercenary army based in the US. How did they get permits
to have automatic weapons and aircraft armed with same
when US civilians cannot?

Not only do they have airplanes, they have blimps as well
and probably drones to boot. Are their drones also armed?

Erik Prince is a hard-right winger who married into the
DeVoss family of Amway fame. He has been a major donor
to the republican party since he inherited his personal fortune
back in the 90's.

Blackwater does not exclusively use ex-US military
personel. They recruit worldwide and would anyone care
to guess which foreign country has supplied them with the
most contractors? Chile. Pinochet's poor out of work special
forces thugs need jobs too.

That Blackwater contractors have murdered innocent civilians
is beyond doubt. Iraq has ordered them out. That they would
also engage in child molestation is hardly a stretch. I wish the
US would dump these contractors and use military personel
for everything including guarding the US embassy which was formerly
the job of the USMC and was considered a post of honor.

Another benefit to ridding the world of Bwater/xe would be
the retention of many talented special forces who join them
instead of re-enlisting so they can triple their incomes.

Army for hire? I have a HUGE problem with that and so should
everyone who believes in liberty.

Sic Semper Tyrannis, Asktheanimals

What truly bothers me is how infused Xe is with right-wing Christian activism. As a Christian myself, it is absolutely frightening to see those kinds of people preaching the word of the Lord.

Xe and Erik Prince are scary people. They are wealthy, powerful and well-connected. Erik Prince is apaprently a devout Christian, yet the man even cheated on his dying wife.

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
What truly bothers me is how infused Xe is with right-wing Christian activism. As a Christian myself, it is absolutely frightening to see those kinds of people preaching the word of the Lord.

Xe and Erik Prince are scary people. They are wealthy, powerful and well-connected. Erik Prince is apaprently a devout Christian, yet the man even cheated on his dying wife.

Indeed...I would rather refer to them as hypocrites.
Or worse...clouds without rain. Apostates.


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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
What truly bothers me is how infused Xe is with right-wing Christian activism. As a Christian myself, it is absolutely frightening to see those kinds of people preaching the word of the Lord.

Xe and Erik Prince are scary people. They are wealthy, powerful and well-connected. Erik Prince is apaprently a devout Christian, yet the man even cheated on his dying wife.

I agree the fundamentalist connections are scary but even worse are the American Intelligence connections. The board of directors is pretty much an ex CIA roster. Cofer Black, Buzzy Krongard etc etc,

Originally posted by king9072

Originally posted by ninecrimes
He-said, she-said.

Where's the proof? Until I see any (this post shows ZERO evidence, not a single shred), I am pretty offended by this post.

Lame. Lame. Lame.

Hey look, an ignorant new member.

When someone agrees to testify with a sworn affidavit, it is pretty clear they aren't making it up. What do they stand to gain?

I have to disagree with you on this. I've seen it happen with my own eyes.


These events more than likely took place but until it has been proven, I don't think we should jump to conclusions of guilt. We all know some of these Blackwater thugs are evil and would like to see them get whats coming to them. I for one, would like for only the guilty ones to get it though. Not just anyone who has a charge brought against them. If he's guilty of this find a tree and a rope, but lets wait for all the facts first.

Is that to much to ask ?

I know this isn't a popular stance but I have my own personal reasons for wanting everyone to get a fair trial. I've seen what can happen when they don't. I'm not speaking of myself but a close family member. It is outrageous the things they can do to you once you're in their sights. Most people believe there are checks and balances in place to keep innocent people from becoming the victim of the courts (that's only true in an honest court). The problem is the courts know how to get around this and they are more than happy to protect their own. I think it's something you have to see to believe.

Maybe I am letting my anger toward the court system cloud my judgment on this. However I truly feel all the facts should be known in any case before someone is pronounced guilty. It is the least most people would want for themselves.

Honestly, some of you are such drama llamas. Let's see if anyone gets charged before we all jump on the bandwagon.

OK........I'm saying right now that I'm not going to offer proof. Get over it.
However int he last ten years, I've done enough research on my own, have read the headlines, joined ATS, and have connected my own dots:

Where's the shock in this??? Thank you Darth Cheney for Blackwater (I beleive they are Haliburton allifliated). Irag was - is - will be an illegal war...why no prosecution? In an illegal war anything goes. The TPTB in the Bush regime were into sex trade: Marianna Islands. If the commander in cheif is ok with it why not the vp and his minions (Blackwater)? And would that not rot the military from the inside out?

They name things for a reason. If you have a boat or an rv, you will understand Blackwater.

to the mods: I don't think this is inflammatory or off topic. JMHO


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you people being skeptical about this thread worry me. Do you know how institutionalized child sexual abuse is not just in america, but in europe and all over the world? and how often people in positions of power are implicated in this stuff? (particularly how often it occurs in war time? if i was told an army was invading a country i would EXPECT this behaviour from a percentage of its troops, becuz this behaviour has always occurred right down through history). this post shouldnt even surprise you. if it does, i worry about the state of your ignorance of the world around you. this sort of stuff happens all the time, all over the world, is happening right now.

and you are displaying a cavalier attitude in the face of the misery of children? You should be feeling sick after reading that post.

people who do this stuff to kids or turn a blind eye to it cuz they cant handle the truth or dont care, are going to burn in hell, if there's any justice in the world. I wonder if that would even be sufficient punishment for them. i doubt it. they could only understand what they've done if they suffered exactly the same thing.

the evil of these people is incomprehensible.


Can women and girls suffer any more on this planet???? Its just horrendous how much they have suffered throughout history and are still suffering. i dunno how this planet keeps going.

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Hear hear
100%

Well like Nietzsche said, there is always something suspect behind people who are fundamentalists in their ideals or claim "hollyness."

I tend to believe the real reason a lot of, or perhaps most, people are afraid of Contact with (the right) nonhumans (if possible) is because in the presumed quantum leap in science/knowledge would seemingly be great advances in crime solving and prevention, where it simply won't or wouldn't be possible for the most despicable human-demons to get away with their most despicable acts. Not saying that would be a DEFINITE result of Contact, but it's obvious the most hardcore psychopaths/sociopaths fear scientific advancement for that very reason.

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Sorry to burst your bubble but PMC's are a must of the wars of tomorrow, PMC's are needed whether you like it or not, my Cousins are ex-SBS and SAS and my uncle is a ex-fighter pilot, they all joined a PMC

and earned more than $700,000 each for doing 6 months work guarding the US base in Qatar, they are currently in Afghanistan training troops

Other then the fact that Blackwater is universally hated and a few ex members have give a sworn statement, there really isn't anything to judge anybody with.

We don't know on what terms they left the company on, we don't know how much actual knowledge they have of the incident. Was it first hand account or was it passed down?

A sworn statement doesn't really mean that much. That is why next to the signature space it says that the info you gave is the truth to the best of your knowledge.

I'm going to sit back and watch this one before I start saying someone is guilty of this or that.

The scariest part to me is that an evil force like Blackwater/XE was allowed, nay encouraged to be developed in a country like the USA, which used to be the bastion of all that was right with the world.

Now it exists and everyone is scratching their heads over what to do about it. It seems that once the evil was released they (the U.S.) are powerless to do anything about it.

Even if XE are examined in court they have enough money for the "best" (or most criminal) lawyers; not to mention all the internal influences in government. Sad. Very sad.

Do any of you even remember the motto of this site? It's DENY IGNORANCE. It seems as though many of you only apply this when it suits your personal agenda and beliefs.

A bunch of you are attacking a fellow member simply because he requires a little more proof, or evidence, to convict someone (or something), than the word of two disgruntled ex-employees. The sad part is, this member (ninecrimes) whom many of you are attacking has freely admitted that these accusations may very well be true. He just requires a little more than hearsay before he is willing to condemn an individual.

The fact is that many of you are willing to abandon your common sense and objectivity simply because you hate Blackwater and Erik Prince. You think they're evil, and I freely admit that they very well could be. But since when is the unsubstantiated word of two ex-employees enough to send someone to the gallows? If two ex-employees came forward and made horrible accusations about a company or individual that you like and support, would you just as easily believe them as you do these guys? Somehow I doubt it. So many of you go against everything this site stands for. You can't just deny ignorance when it's convenient for you or when it suits your preconceived notion about someone or something.

God forbid any of you, or any of your loved ones, ever have horrible allegations made against them by two disgruntled ex-employees. Have any of you ever considered the possibility that these two individuals were fired and are simply getting their revenge? Some of you are claiming that because these men are remaining anonymous that they have nothing to gain from making these claims. I submit to you that they have a rather legitimate motivation: revenge. Seeing the man and company that terminated you brought up on charges is a very satisfying thing for some people.

Now, it would be hypocritical of me to question the objectivity of others while completely abandoning it myself. So I will freely admit that these two witnesses may not have been fired and may have just quit. I will admit that what they have testified to could be 100% true. I will admit that Erik Prince could be the Antichrist and Blackwater could be a bunch of evil Nazis. But I will neither condemn nor exonerate an individual based on my personal feelings and the uncorroborated testimony of two former employees. And I pray to God that those of you who are willing to throw the book at this guy and his company based solely on this testimony, are never put on a jury. Because if it takes this little to convince you of something, and if you are too irrational to put your personal feelings aside, then you shouldn't even be on this site.

no what it sounds like is more of cheney and company getting away with anythimg they want to. didnt haliburton have a child porn problem a while back.


but again, everyone will spill the old I NEED PROOF then the few peeps that stood up for this unjustice will end up hanging themselves. or putting a round in there head.

then everything will be swept under the carpet and the cattle can go back to getting there mocha and Mcdonalds


my god people wake up to your surroundings. there are wolves all over this pasture that we are living in