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It's ALL about money! It's always ALL about money!

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posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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While ATS'ers debate Obamas health care, there seems to be only one reason for opposing it.
IT'S SOCIALISM!
Whine endlessly about "the Government" while gladly allowing corporate American to rob you blind. And some foolisly believe that being a slave to greed makes them "patriots"!
From the high price of food, to Wall Street stealing billions, to mindlessly defending the corporate health care industries obscene profits, the real puppets are the public, not Obama in some sinister commie plot.
Ah, the commies! The old Republican standby of fear mongering and controlling the citizens! It's worked just great sine the end of WW2, still working now!
MONEY is ALL that motivates corporate America, profits are never high enough, the welfare of the citizens is not even considered.
Don't like Obamas plan, well if you think the alternative is to retain the status quo, you are simply a tool of corporatism. Image yourself to be a "patriot", they are laughing at you all the way to the bank.




posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 02:24 PM
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The fact remains the goverment has no busy in handing out Insurance cards... They should however regulate the crap out of Insurance and Banking, not take them over.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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The lets do away with Social Security, Medicare and the VA.
Lets let private industry sell us water, competion will bring the price under controll right? Sure. There are enough greedy bastards that they would make you pay for AIR if they could.
Free market capitalism has failed! HELLO! Remember when the economy collapesed? Not under Obama, but under Bush who gave us an eight year orgy of transfering of wealth from low and middle class Americans to Corporations and the top 2%. Blood is in the water and the corporate sharks FEAR Obama because he has the gaul to call them what they are.
Obama made health care the central theme of his campaign, hardly gave ONE speech without mentioning it. Yet people act as if he is somehow sneaking this in, trying to put one over. NONSENSE!
Obama made it crystal clear what he wanted, people voted for him, he won. The oppostion is lobbiests, running on corporate money. Dems and Repubs drag their feet BECAUSE THEY WANT THE FREAKING MONEY! There is NO other reason.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 02:41 PM
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Wrong, it is about power and control.

The current majority ruled congress lead by radical socialist/fascist left elite including a communist leaning president and administration with totalitarian desires have an agenda that will destroy the capitalist system completely and thus the country as we know it from it's founding to now. In it's place the government will run everything and control everything and will literally control every aspect of our lives.

Their vision of a socialist utopia will have a level existance for the vast majority of the people, and power and wealth beyond imagination for the elite, only a select elite, both in government and in the corporate world.

Money is only a tool, and perhaps a weapon in their plan to change the nation, to obtain absolute POWER over everything.

While everyone has been distracted by money and jobs, they have nearly pushed over half of their agenda through. They are well on their way to achieving their ultimate goal.

Money?




posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 02:46 PM
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Money is only a tool, and perhaps a weapon in their plan to change the nation, to obtain absolute POWER over everything.

How foolish! Money IS power, the only power at stake here.
Why do corporations exists? ONLY to make money, not to preserve freedom. Why do drug cartels exist? Only to make money, NOT FOR SOME FREAKING DESIRE FOR IDEOLIGAL POWER!
I heard your same ridiculous "commie take over" argument for the last forty years. You are EXACTLY the kind of corporate tool MR Defender of Liberty that I am talking about. YOU illustrate exactly what I mean!



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 02:47 PM
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Dude where do you get your information.... First the POTUS is a hack this one and the last one. All they do is sign bills and command the military... Read you Constitution. 2nd ITS ALL CONGRESSES fault... they deregulated things back in the 90s.

The VA is "private" it is for veterans who have been injured in the line of duty, and need continued care for there service connected disability... The vet shouldn’t have to pay for it the government should.

Social Security the feds take 145 dollars out of my check each pay period I could in turn take that money and invest it else where to where it would actually make me money instead of the government taking it and spending it elsewhere and I don’t collect any interest on it.... if I die my survivors get a limited amount of it... What is the deal with that?


Medicare the same as SS I could take that money and put it into a long-term money market or mutual fund and use it for my health care when I retire. And again when I die that money is forfeited to the government and my family never sees it.

So once again screw that give me my money back.... Incase you haven’t heard the Feds have almost bankrupted those two socialist government programs…


Do me a favor… actually do a little bit of research before you spew left-wing garbage at me….



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 03:00 PM
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If it is all about money, why is this government hell bent on blowing TRILLIONS?

They are doing more to destroy the dollar, is a devalued dollar somehow worth more to them?

Their energy reform plans will go even farther to destroying the economy.

Causing inflation and devalued dollars along with other radical reforms is all because it is about money?

In order to change the system it must first be destroyed, a broken economy and needy people create dependence on a government, that dependence will be exploited by this government to gain more power over the capitalist system and ultimately the people.

Yep, all about money.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
While ATS'ers debate Obamas health care, there seems to be only one reason for opposing it.
IT'S SOCIALISM!


Not quite!

How 'bout trying to keep our country from going bankrupt!

Scrap Health Care Reform If It Adds To Deficit, U.S. Voters Tell Quinnipiac University National Poll


American voters, by a 55 - 35 percent margin, are more worried that Congress will spend too much money and add to the deficit than it will not act to overhaul the health care system, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today. By a similar 57 - 37 percent margin, voters say health care reform should be dropped if it adds "significantly" to the deficit.

By a 72 - 21 percent margin, voters do not believe that President Barack Obama will keep his promise to overhaul the health care system without adding to the deficit, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University national poll finds.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Obama's "Public" Health Plan Will Bankrupt the Nation

Does anybody really believe that adding 50 million people to the public health-care rolls will not cost the government more money? About $1.5 trillion to $2 trillion more? At least.

So let’s be serious when evaluating President Obama’s goal of universal health care, and the idea that it’s a cost-cutter. Can’t happen. Won’t happen. Costs are going to explode.

Think of it: Can anyone name a federal program that ever cut costs for anything? Let’s not forget that the existing Medicare system is roughly $80 trillion in the hole.
******SKIP******
Obama’s health-care “funding” plans are completely falling apart. Not only will Obama’s health program cost at least twice as much as his $650 billion estimate, but his original plan to fund the program by auctioning off carbon-emissions warrants (through the misbegotten cap-and-trade system) has fallen through. In an attempt to buy off hundreds of energy, industrial, and other companies, the White House is now going to give away those carbon-cap-emissions trading warrants. So all those revenues are out the window. Fictitious.

The government can't afford it's bills now, how the ____ is it going to afford the HUGE bill that will come with a government run health care system without adding to the national deficit?

How 'bout we concentrate on fixing the economy and getting rid of our countries debt first, then implement a government run health care system when the country/government is actually financially able to afford a health care system without increasing the national debt!

[edit on 8/7/2009 by Keyhole]



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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Sure, the President is just a puppet....blah blah. I've heard this BS for 40 years as well. Yeah, Bush had zip to do with the transfer of wealth.
Buy the simplistic conspiracy angle, make it easy to pay!
So, the evil "government" takes your tax money.
So how much do you pay in mortgage or rent. You pay that money to freedom loving Consitution loving patriots" Bet not.
How much do you pay for food, gas, do you donate to the corporate coffers for entertainment>
The buisness I run, we pay about 2600 a year for health ins. The employee pays slightly less, say 2k. So 4500 TIMES 50. Not includin co pays, precscriptions, dental etc. We would rather not pay that amount. We could hire more people for that money. Would I rather pay say, 1000 more in taxes. Yes I would, i'd come out way better in the end, so would our firm
ATS'ers crack me up! The "government" is evil, but let's pay way more for PROFIT on our healthcare!
Right wing garbage "dude".



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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Sure, the President is just a puppet....blah blah. I've heard this BS for 40 years as well. Yeah, Bush had zip to do with the transfer of wealth.
Buy the simplistic conspiracy angle, make it easy to pay!
So, the evil "government" takes your tax money.
So how much do you pay in mortgage or rent. You pay that money to freedom loving Consitution loving patriots" Bet not.
How much do you pay for food, gas, do you donate to the corporate coffers for entertainment>
The buisness I run, we pay about 2600 a year for health ins. The employee pays slightly less, say 2k. So 4500 TIMES 50. Not includin co pays, precscriptions, dental etc. We would rather not pay that amount. We could hire more people for that money. Would I rather pay say, 1000 more in taxes. Yes I would, i'd come out way better in the end, so would our firm
ATS'ers crack me up! The "government" is evil, but let's pay way more for PROFIT on our healthcare!
Right wing garbage "dude".



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 03:09 PM
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LOL man your funny..... If our health care system is so bad answer this... Why do foreigners come here to get treated? Do you pay attention to anything or hang out with your Obama poster all day long? Are you really 40, I am willing to bet you’re a kid still.......

I do agree there needs to be a change in the way business is done with insurance and such but NOT A GOVERNMENT OPTION

.... Attacking you is something I shouldnt have done......... But come on man the goverment cant do anything right do you really expect them or trust them to decide your health care??

Have you even read the damn bill?


[edit on 7-8-2009 by poedxsoldiervet]



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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I don't have no stinkin money.

and soon I will have less,

ObamaCare will lower wages, especially among poor

keithhennessey.com...


If we expanded health insurance coverage but our current health cost inflation rate continued unabated, the higher overall costs would result in falling wages at the bottom of the earnings spectrum and very slow wage growth on up the earnings distribution. These dismal wage outcomes would persist over at least the next couple of decades, possibly longer.
The next scenario considers the real possibility that health inflation increases as a result of expanded insurance coverage offered under reform. Looking back at the implementation of Medicare, this is exactly what happened. This scenario combines expanded health care coverage with accelerated health inflation rates. In this case, the higher costs would drive disposable wages downward across most of the earnings spectrum, although the declines would be steepest for lower-earning workers. These depressed conditions would persist over the entire projection period.


I will be dead, it's a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing

[edit on 033131p://bFriday2009 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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Sorry, "dude', I'm WAY over 40, don'y have an Obama poster.
I manage a business that grosses over 7.5m. I've worked over 40 years.
You remind me of a guy I worked with ages ago. His wife was about to have a baby and our crappy insurance would cover only a fraction of it.
I asked what he thought about national health care ( this was 1973). He recoiled in horror! THATS COMMUNISM!
This was after he had been drafted, sent to VietNam. Yeah,, no government inteference there!
He had a patriotic fit, then got a second job. NOW THATS FREEDOM!



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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So whats your idea?
All I ever see is ranting about the "government"
What should we do?
Regulation? THAT will be decried as anti capitalst socialsm as well.
Who profits from the status quo? You?



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 03:21 PM
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Dude have you READ THE Obama healthcare BILL? ANSWER that question.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 03:21 PM
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Nah. It is all about chicken.

You sound like a commie in disguise trying to convince us that socialism is good for us.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 03:27 PM
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A "commie disguise"? Yeah, thats why I have suceeded in a conservative capitalist oriented position. JEEEZUZ!
Hilarious. Apparently you haven't progressed in your thinking since 1955.
You think Castro, Mao and Stalin were moved by idealoy?
So why did THEY end up with all the money.
You sound like a fear motivated, easily manipulated citizen!



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 03:28 PM
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Insurance companies make hugh profits I got that. I have a working idea that I have been bouncing around but so here it is.

1.) Insurance Companies can no longer discriminate against people with pre exsiting conditions or age.

2.) I think people who are frequent vistors to hospitals and there is nothing wrong with should pay higher preiums,

3.) Millions of dollar lawsuits against doctors is a no go. If the doctor screws you up he should pay for it, lets face if you only make 45000 a year but can go back to work then you shouldnt get 30 MIL settlement.

4.) PHARMA companies your time is done pills will only the cost how much it makes to produce them and research them.... with a little buffer for profit. 55c a pill not 4.76c.

I told it is a working idea but on those four ideas alone I am sure people who are smarter then me can come up with a better bill then congreses plan.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 03:30 PM
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Current government revenues are DOWN over 18% since Obama and the majority ruled congress stimulus plan.

They have LESS money coming in because of economic collapse, but they are SPENDING record amounts of money.... How can they pay for anything more while revenues are declining?

Business dies, people lose jobs, draw from social programs and all of this means far less revenues for the government... They have to raise taxes and in major ways just to cover the massive deficit spending since Obama took office.

How will they do that?

They are spending in a time of decline. Congress bitched at corporate executives for their use of their private jets while they were in debt, but very recently congress approved hundreds of MILLIONS for 3 new private jets of their own to fly around in, all while the government is in deep deficit spending... Does that help you see their twisted priorities and agenda?

Money eh?

Where are they going to get it when all is said and done?

Print more?




posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 03:33 PM
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Speaking of money


WASHINGTON — Pressed by industry lobbyists, White House officials on Wednesday assured drug makers that the administration stood by a behind-the-scenes deal to block any Congressional effort to extract cost savings from them beyond an agreed-upon $80 billion.

Drug industry lobbyists reacted with alarm this week to a House health care overhaul measure that would allow the government to negotiate drug prices and demand additional rebates from drug manufacturers.

In response, the industry successfully demanded that the White House explicitly acknowledge for the first time that it had committed to protect drug makers from bearing further costs in the overhaul. The Obama administration had never spelled out the details of the agreement.


www.nytimes.com...



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