"Revolts" over healthcare reform?

Why did it take healthcare reform to motivate people to start fighting back against Govt intrusions?
Do people really value their high priced OVER managed and un-caring private insurance carriers more than they value privacy and personal freedoms?
I dont recall this much dissent over any topic in years, there sure wasnt anything like this when the patriot acts were signed into law.

It makes me wonder who is motivating these people and how or with what theyre motivating them with.. AMA maybe?

If government is supposed to totally control healthcare and our lives, our founding fathers with all their wisdom would have put this provision into the Constitution. Or this would have been mentioned in the Bill of Rights or even in one of the Amendments to the Constitution.

It would have fit nicely next to the right of free speech and religion and the right to bear arms. But for some reason I don't see the right to free nationalized healthcare. Hmm.....

But the Bill of Rights and Constitution only mentions the rights of the people to have individual freedom and the right to NOT have the government involved in our business. How problematic for all you socialists out there.

Im not a socialist and im not in favor of what Obama is trying to do, which is the same thing Hillary tried to do in the 90's.
Im just very curious about people and why they choose this particular thing to lash out about, especially when there are other more important issues going on.
Like losing jobs to foreign countries, TEN percent unemployment, rapidly rising food prices, privacy laws etc...

I didnt make the thread in order to voice my opinion about health care reform, i made it to get input on why it took this act for people to finally stand up.

reply to post by Kr0n0s


Well this is an issue that effects something more import to people than their money, which is their lives.

After getting TARP shoved down our throats that was strike one. After getting the "stimulus" shoved down out throats that was strike two, now they are trying to shove this down our throats, and that is strike three.

It isn't so much they chose this to protest over it is the accumulation of everything that has been happening. This issue just happened to be the straw that broke the Camels back.

Now the people that are supposed to be representing us want to have a "civilized" debate after not reading the bills and shoving all this stuff down out throats when it was not wanted.

Now they are trying to silence people that go against the agenda. People know how these people will dance around the questions and or lie. The fact is people don't trust them and feel no need to give them time to answer because they don't even know what is in the bill.

The reps have screwed up by not reading the bills and now they are feeling the backlash because of it. Now they have set up an e-mail address for people to rat people that are spreading "disinfo" and saying they are carrying swastikas and calling them staged protest.

The reps have shown their true colors and people don't trust them and are tired of being lied too, the people want to be heard and no longer lied too.

That is the way I see it. Now the White House is saying to hit back if they get hit. The admin and this government is in way over there heads.

[edit on 7-8-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]

It is kind of curious considering we've been losing our liberties for a long time now. But given the non-partisan nature of the revolt, and the thug tactics used by the politicians and obama worshipers, and the talk about other issues of constitutional concerns, I think people are beginning to see through the deception. It's the culmination and buildup of a lot of things in combination and this was the last straw.

I think it took two really really awful presidents in a row from each party for people to realize that both parties are corrupt and controlled by wall street. There is finally a political environment and will for a third party to challenge the status quo. And if they deny us that then there will be an actual revolution.

It really is a bad bill and there are a lot of things that can be attacked, but it's also a simple message overal: people in this country are radically opposed to anything that smacks of socialism. If that gets them politically active and looking into TPTB then so be it.

The town halls and issue over the last two months has been about healthcare, which just happened to coincide with a general awakening and revolt. The polls that show 75 percent of people wanting to end or audit the fed says something. Just think, a few years ago who the heck even knew the fed was private, or that it even existed?

You seriously can't understand why Americans value their HEALTH??

Yes, it is true that one of the many reasons Americans are opposing this is because of the extra tax dollars but the primary reason is our health. I don't care what other countries do or have done successfully, they don't have our govt running their system. I have zero faith that our current administration can run anything close to nationalized healthcare.

reply to post by Kr0n0s


The true revolt began during te election of "08" when people were being placed blocks away from the DNC to protest against both parties. It wasn't being reported by the MSM that protesters were not allowed to be close to the building but when the GOP tried to put protesters against them, the news was reporting how the GOP was not allowing people to speak their minds.

So now, politicians are planting ACORN, Union officials and plan clothes paid agents in these town halls to create decent and anger amongst normal everyday people who are going home and informing their friends and family who simply can't believe it while watching the MSM reporting false claims against the people who simply want to be heard.

The resent rise of revolt is being mis-reported to anger people who are falling for it and is continuing to be reported as angry racist for those who will believe it. It's all about sepratisum and division of the public fueling hate.

The answer to your question of why NOW are they getting off of their couches to speak out is due to the old phrase: Until it hits you in the face or until it effects you personally will you finally speak up or fight back.

It's too late! This is what the MSM and the Puppet Masters are fueling, the MSM needs to report racist stories against Obama and the Polititians need a reason to say "Their scared to have Town Hall Meetings" so they don't have to listen.

They have woken a sleeping giant, it's going to get ugly and this is all part of TPTB's plan!

reply to post by Rams59lb


They have awoken the sleeping giant and it is all apart of their plan, but I think they mis-calculated how big this giant actually is. This isn't even close to a revolt this is just the people speaking out. They are angry, but people haven't seen them PO'd yet.

It's getting there, but this is the calm before the storm. If TPTB do want this they have no idea the size of the pile they have just stepped in.

The Republicans, and a few Democrats made it seem that socialised medicine is socialism, which they have made it seem that it is the same as communism. And we all know how the U.S. hates the Commies.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
Why did it take healthcare reform to motivate people to start fighting back against Govt intrusions?

I don't believe that it took this issue for Americans to fight back. I think that the people who have been affected by all of the other government intrusions, saw very little day to day impact or dissection of said legislation; Thus, a less likely chance of mass uproar. This issue is omnipresent, and therefore most people are affected, and aware, of this issue.

Do people really value their high priced OVER managed and un-caring private insurance carriers more than they value privacy and personal freedoms?

Go ahead and try and explain the patriot act to the average American; This is the same reason why there has been no audit of the federal reserve.
Interest=Inquisition

I dont recall this much dissent over any topic in years, there sure wasnt anything like this when the patriot acts were signed into law.

War in Iraq, Gitmo, immigration marches.... Really?

It makes me wonder who is motivating these people and how or with what theyre motivating them with.. AMA maybe?

We are motivated by a lack of accountability for this whole mess.

Remember; Healthcare reform is not equal to Universal Healthcare.
It is the option that requires the largest amount of government intrusion on our lives, however.

reply to post by Kr0n0s


This is the way I see it. What people are mostly pissed about in regards to the current administration and health care reform, is that this is a massive and personally life altering piece of legislation that has the potential to drive the yearly deficit massively upward.

Whether it is a good idea or not, Congress is just ramming it through without reading it all, they are basically making it out to be like we will get the damn Health Care reform whether we want it or not. This is totally irresponsible, and so the American public has decided enough is enough and that its time for Congress to remember that they work for us and not the other way around.

The situation might improve if they lived up to their statements about transparency, and they took time to read the bill, and to discuss it instead of force it down everyones throats.

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by Rams59lb

 

It's getting there, but this is the calm before the storm. If TPTB do want this they have no idea the size of the pile they have just stepped in.

It is getting there! I do beg to differ, TPTB are fully aware of the size and how deep the pile is that was why they had the Patriot Act already drafted during the Clinton Admin but couldn't get pushed through until Bush and now they are going to use the hate, anger and racist fears of the people to provoke mass decent against this Admin to declair Military on the streets full time against the American people. They are running out of time, this all has to be in place by 2010.

As they start to round up both right-wings and left together, blacks and whites togeher, as the gun hoo willing police kill citizens for simply speaking out then family and friends will rally against all of this and will take to the streets.

TPTB will use this decent to legally shot, kill, put in prisons and mark those as depopulation goes into full swing!

reply to post by Kr0n0s

I didnt make the thread in order to voice my opinion about health care reform, i made it to get input on why it took this act for people to finally stand up.

I wonder if you have been paying attention for the last 11 months. When the economy tanked in September of last year, and Congress started doing the bailout polka, people DID stand up. Of course, they were ignored. When the new administration continued the bailout dance marathon, people protested. They went to tea parties; they expressed their ire to their representatives. When the government introduced a new budget with multi-trillion dollar deficits, people protested. Now they are protesting again. The main DIFFERENCE, however, is that Congress can't hide in the Capital building. They returned HOME to their districts and NOW the S*** is hitting the fan. Nothing is changed. It's just that they have NOWHERE TO HIDE anymore.

reply to post by grapesofraft


"grapesofraft" The polititians that are trying to read and discuss bills, acts and laws that the prior and present Admin are trying to pass are being threatened. If they don't go along and solely worry about their own families TPTB will set them up, spy hard enough to get MSM worthy stories about them and as some have been found hung in their basements. Opp's those were suicide?

reply to post by Rams59lb


Well now who exactly has been found dead in their basement for getting the info out to the public?

reply to post by grapesofraft


I don't want to come off attacking so I'll assume your wanting to play a word game. No polititian has been found dead yet but on CSpan they have come out to say they have been threatened by the prior and present Admin. But here is some food for thought. Dr. Kelly was killed after being ousted as a whistleblower and more List of Dead Scientists here www.stevequayle.com...

BoA threatened to buy Merrill Lynch and then their was the CFO found dead in his basement hung after finding out that he was meeting with a reporter the following Monday to release documents showing how the Admin is using strong arm tactics for the TPTB in order to take over their banks.

Now if you ignore the above facts and wish to debate my comments then obviously you have an agenda and it's not worth my time. But I am willing to have a discussion backed up with facts on your end. Not one sided.

reply to post by Rams59lb


I don't want to derail the thread here, but the Patriot Act and everything else isn't going to save them.

The White House posting how people should turn people in for spreading "disinfo" was just a huge wake up call to a huge majority of the military and the cops.

Things are not what they seem, you give these people to much credit, some piece of unconstitutional legislation isn't going to help them do anything. The gig is up the hidden agenda has been exposed. Who is going to do the rounding up? Half of our military is in the sand box and stationed around the world.

We are talking about 10's of millions of people here. They don't have enough people to secure and round all the people resisting up.

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by Kr0n0s

 

Well this is an issue that effects something more import to people than their money, which is their lives.

After getting TARP shoved down our throats that was strike one. After getting the "stimulus" shoved down out throats that was strike two, now they are trying to shove this down our throats, and that is strike three.

It isn't so much they chose this to protest over it is the accumulation of everything that has been happening. This issue just happened to be the straw that broke the Camels back.

Now the people that are supposed to be representing us want to have a "civilized" debate after not reading the bills and shoving all this stuff down out throats when it was not wanted.

Now they are trying to silence people that go against the agenda. People know how these people will dance around the questions and or lie. The fact is people don't trust them and feel no need to give them time to answer because they don't even know what is in the bill.

The reps have screwed up by not reading the bills and now they are feeling the backlash because of it. Now they have set up an e-mail address for people to rat people that are spreading "disinfo" and saying they are carrying swastikas and calling them staged protest.

The reps have shown their true colors and people don't trust them and are tired of being lied too, the people want to be heard and no longer lied too.

That is the way I see it. Now the White House is saying to hit back if they get hit. The admin and this government is in way over there heads.

[edit on 7-8-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]

The dismissal of the peoples concerns by Congress,will come back to bite them. I have listened to the spin put out by members of the DNC. There may well be some people in attendance at these town halls that are in a political group. The majority are just plain old concerned citizens, seeking to be heard.
President Kennedy said something to the effect: When you supress the right of the people to protest,you invite revolution. That is where we are now. There are Congressmen and Senators that are refusing to give creedence to what the people are saying. Nothing and I mean nothing will piss someone off any faster than being ignored or dismissed out of hand.
I do not advocate armed insurrection,I still want to believe that these problems can be settled peacefully. Despite what the evidence shows,for the most part our legislators are intelligent enough to see the truth of the problems. At least I hope they are not so ignorant as to keep rubbing our noses in it,so to speak.

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


I totally uderstand and no doubt agree with most of your posting. I differ because it is human nature (i.e. the german people when Hilter took over and France when the Nazi's marched in as their government surendered). Right now our Military, Police, UN Soldiers, BP and Fema agents are being trained to police the US public.

Those who they find are not willing to go along are being transfered to the line in Afgan or other places, police who are going along are being forced out as reported in the Alt Media everyday. They have learned that UN troops and Latino BP agents are more then willing to open fire on us as shown in YT videos everyday. Even some police are so power stricken that they are willing to go along thinking that they will be saved along with their families.

The first round of protesters will be shot, it will be reported in the MSM as terrorist groups, and right-winged extremist so the left will cheer but eventually as the first round of decent gets ungly people will start to get scared and will go along and reorganized.

It will be the third and fourth round of decent that will make the difference, as soldiers, police and even latino BP agents watch their own family and friends taken away and even some killed will it start to turn in our favor.

Remember by that time TPTB will have already had many, many citizens killed what will be called by their own doing. MSM will be totally on board reporting everybody against the tide as demestic terrorist period. That is simply how I see it.

Example of their preparations:


Notice now many Police Chiefs resigning lately, people in high positions within our Gov resigning, the same within our military and it's all because they don't want anything to do with whats coming. They morally and ethically don't agree with the changes as military moves in so they want to take care of their own. If they don't resign then they will attempt to distroy your crediablity like what they are doing with Sherif Joe in AZ but he wont quit!

It is human nature to be scared, wanting to be safe, protecting their children and can be controlled once the reality of death is in their faces.

[edit on 06/03/2009 by Rams59lb]

reply to post by Kr0n0s

Im just very curious about people and why they choose this particular thing to lash out about, especially when there are other more important issues going on.
Like losing jobs to foreign countries, TEN percent unemployment, rapidly rising food prices, privacy laws etc...

That's a DARN, good question.

I'll wait.