4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matt 24..........

Does this not precisely describe the world today and in particular America? It would seem everyone offends everyone else and is turning into hate among a people who were once called the "melting pot" of the world.

America IS a christian nation and has been delivered up for affliction and hate.

Good thread! We need more like this.

We need to remember to resist the temptation to fall into this mindset like you quoted in scripture. That really is how the whole world is becoming, everyone preoccupied with getting somewhere or doing something. It's an old cliche but we still need to stop and smell the roses.

But it is easy to get caught up in the turmoil. Jesus said to take the narrow road, He said wide is the path to destruction and many will take that way.

Anyway, thanks again for the much needed reminder.

The United States is not a Christian country. It is a *secular* country.. Religion has no place in its government. Religion is a personal matter, not a matter of State.

While the majority of people in the US are *nominally* Christians, most don't practice. Between the non-practicing Christians and all the rest of the people - Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists - the country isn't all that Christian. It's time for the few Christians out there to get over it.

Originally posted by chiron613
The United States is not a Christian country. It is a *secular* country.. Religion has no place in its government. Religion is a personal matter, not a matter of State.

While the majority of people in the US are *nominally* Christians, most don't practice. Between the non-practicing Christians and all the rest of the people - Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists - the country isn't all that Christian. It's time for the few Christians out there to get over it.

You must deny that America was founded as a christian nation. You must deny that it is "still" a christian nation although allowing a vile few run things. For you to admit that america IS christian is to see your own guilt for rejecting God's commandments.

By definition christians are "sheep" and are led astray rather easily. That is why all christians MUST seek the original shepard, God himself and follow the faith of his son Jesus.

Seek and know the actual word in the bible for yourself, not from someone who calls himself "minister, priest, preacher".......read for yourself, pray for understanding, search the original text, compair what you "thought" was being said with the actual word of God himself.

God will open the truth to you IF you actually are seekng it.

Excellent thread. I love the strong quotes from the New Testament. Although, I figured this would be in BTS.

It is evident, these are the times is which alot of us will see some prophecies fulfilled. I believe America was founded on the basis of escaping persecution from a gov't that forced their people to obey just one particular form of religion. The people that moved here came for religious freedom, among other things. I do see future persecution for all Christians here, because I see more anti-christian propanganda on the TV everyday. Has anyone noticed the amount of people that give you a dirty look when you explain that your a Christian? I certainly have. Almost 90% of the people I talk to are looking at me like I'm an idiot. Of course, I talk to people in their 20's and almost all of them are not religious, party all the time, or are non-practicing Christians. I believe if you claim to be Christian, you better live your life like one. As with all religions.

But, we did form this country with God in mind and 1st on every list. Whether or not it was entirely Christian? I don't think anyone really knows. I do know that it seems today there are more and more people fighting (and winning) to take God out of everything in America. As to make it a secular nation. Which, it seems to me, everyone wants it to be a secular nation.

That quote actually fitted just about every culture and time in relation to their own interpretation of it. In the 70's prophets said this and that, In the 80's they changed the dates, buyt the 90's they have gone quiet but new ones came. Ron Weinland came and is gone (in the head).

The bible you quote also says you wont knowe the time it's all over and men waste a lot of time on trying to find out when than spreading the good news that you have an out where you don't need to worry when. Only the religious concentrate on when and the Bible clearly shows Jesus hated religion.