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posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 06:06 AM
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"The last thing I saw was before I exited the event were two women running over to a cop sitting in his vehicle, screaming, “Don’t you see that man over there has a gun?” The cop looked up and calmly replied, “Ma’am in this country people have the right to bear arms”.
-from article.

That was the best part of this whole story! haha. I yelled out loud "Damn Straight" when I finished reading that.

As far as the restof the story, I think that this really just goes to show you why people dont like politicians, they never answer questions directly, they avoid them as much as they can, and trying to get any kind of real information on anything is like pulling teeth. This is why thse GOVT REPRESENATIVES need to take a hike. They dont care about NOBODY.
All they care about, is that pretty little green paper and their haircuts.




posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 06:46 AM
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Well it sounds like we know where most of the cops are going to be if SHTF.

This is sickening, bus in Union people for claiming the protest are staged, so they are going to stage their own protest.

People are getting angry and they have every right to be angry. We have listened to them talk long enough it's now our turn to talk.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:13 AM
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If I ran into those SEIU idiots there would have been trouble. That union is doing just what Obama called for in his White House blog. This behavior by a President is unheard of and is a travesty of our freedoms in this country.

Obama is sending a clear message not to mess with him or else. The use of ACORN foot soldiers like these is criminal. Obama is indeed a fascist dictator. He says jump and these idiots ask how high. Reminds of the New Black Panther voter intimidation case in Philly.

The people raising their voices are people my parents age. They have worked hard their entire lives to build up what is now a depleted retirement savings. They are afraid!! and rightfully so. You back them into a corner and there will be trouble and I will defend them to no end.

These people sat peacefully through the riots and protests of the Hippie generation. They watched as the long haired freaks invaded their towns. Now, it is their turn to speak their minds.

The nation is fed up with direction of this country and with its leadership. It is time to clean house. Time to oust your career representatives and senators in 2010 and 2012



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:18 AM
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Originally posted by SPC_D

Originally posted by wantsome
yellowcard

I don't know where you get your numbers from but the national debt is only 11 trillion. I highly doubt medicaid debt surpasses the national debt.

And no I'm not saying "everythings bad for me so screw everyone else". Some of you right wingers are so afraid someones gonna take the cookie out of your hand.

This is one of the richest nations on this earth and we should be able to provide reasonable and affordable healthcare to all. Not just the one that can afford it.



Well first off what if I don't want health care? Ever think of those people? The people that would just rather pay out of pocket for it? Or people that don't want to be tied down to one heath care provider.

And I worked hard for my Cookie! Why the hell should I share it if I don't want to?


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FOX NEWS is the only people telling you this... the health care bill isn't even written yet and nothing you said above is in this legislation



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:21 AM
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You know what the most sickening part about all this is the fact that none of this crap was happening in the other town halls until the Union jackboots showed up.

Things are going to get ugly.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by wantsome
Can you blame them for shutting them out? Have you seen the stunts these people are pulling in front of cameras? They're all zombies of Fox news and Rupert Murdoch's propaganda machine.


Are you kidding me? These are people who have looked into the issue and read about the healthcare plan and don't like it. These people are just trying to get their voice heard.

This is the way the process works. The People elect the Representative and trust the rep has the wisdom to vote for what is in the best interest of the community. But the rep has to know what the people have to say about it. That is what the rep has town hall meetings in the first place.

In the USA we have the freedom of speech. To have a town hall meeting in a small board room, when they knew there was so interest was their first mistake, and to front load the room with supporters their second mistake. The third mistake was refusing to listen to the opposing view. That is why people are getting so angry and loud...because the representatives are dismissing their viewpoint. The root cause of all anger is feeling disrespected. So if people are angry- apologize for disrespecting them and listen to them.

At the beer summit B.O. wanted the Conn. Cop to have a "Listening" moment. Well, conversely the conservatives are trying to get their elected representatives to have a listening moment.

Just because you do not agree with someone means you can dismiss them...that is the definition of being ignorant.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by yellowcard

Originally posted by Uniceft17
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[edit on 8/7/2009 by Uniceft17]


These Congressman/Senators have already made up their mind, if you actually READ what they are saying, or listen, the Congressmen have clearly said they will only vote for the bill if it includes a "public option." That is NOT a debate, you claim the mob doesn't listen and just yells, the Representatives of these people won't listen to them, wouldn't you be pretty pissed off? They are called Representatives for a reason. While I think some of these protesters are ill informed, I highly doubt even the Declaration of Independence or Constitution were written with 100% civility, I'm quite sure (I know for a fact) they were conducted over debate, some which were not quiet. They used to duels you know...

[edit on 7-8-2009 by yellowcard]


Absolutely! Yes you are absolutely right...representative democracy means lively debate. Anger stems from a lack of disrespect on one side....we need more active listening from the representatives, they must let those opposed to the healthcare bill know the concerns and discuss it intelligently.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by jibeho
If I ran into those SEIU idiots there would have been trouble. That union is doing just what Obama called for in his White House blog. This behavior by a President is unheard of and is a travesty of our freedoms in this country.

Obama is sending a clear message not to mess with him or else. The use of ACORN foot soldiers like these is criminal. Obama is indeed a fascist dictator. He says jump and these idiots ask how high. Reminds of the New Black Panther voter intimidation case in Philly.

The people raising their voices are people my parents age. They have worked hard their entire lives to build up what is now a depleted retirement savings. They are afraid!! and rightfully so. You back them into a corner and there will be trouble and I will defend them to no end.

These people sat peacefully through the riots and protests of the Hippie generation. They watched as the long haired freaks invaded their towns. Now, it is their turn to speak their minds.

The nation is fed up with direction of this country and with its leadership. It is time to clean house. Time to oust your career representatives and senators in 2010 and 2012


the republicans depleted their retirement savings...HIPPIES?? are you kidding??? they had no money...no political power and that was 40 YEARS AGO!!! your blaming hippies??? they could barely organize their day!!....let alone a political movement of substance. what next? THE HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE THE CAUSE OF POVERTY??

the republicans and the wealthy are the cause of all these economic problems and the majority of the people know it. you people can not handle this, so you blame powerless people....it's the wealthy that did this by getting too greedy. read court documents, read congressional transcripts...it's there in black and white, under penalty of perjury.

it's about time the republicans and conservatives started coughing up some explanations about their actions, how they try and screw every last dime out of the middle class and poor, praise tax cuts for the wealthy, and let this countries infrastructure die a slow death by continually cutting funds that benefit anybody else other than the wealthy.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 08:05 AM
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Republicans this republicans that, conservatives this conservatives that.

Do you have any thing intelligent to say besides partisan bickering?



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 09:20 AM
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I think it's F*ucking Bad A** that American's are finally standing up and trying to get their voice heard!

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE HAVE TO FORCE THEM TO LISTEN.

GOD BLESS THEM ALL.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 09:37 AM
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DEMS SNEAK UNION THUGS INTO CARNAHAN TOWN HALL-- Tea Party Taxpayers Locked Out!

www.youtube.com...



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posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 09:57 AM
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TO be honest, the town halls had memos sent out asking conservatives to "PACK THE HALLS" and telling them where to stand and what questions to ask and...

...TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER...


Sorry... and anyway, now that the opposing side realizes what is going on and is taking action people are crying foul?

They should have been crying foul to begin with.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 09:58 AM
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FOX NEWS is the only people telling you this... the health care bill isn't even written yet and nothing you said above is in this legislation


Well, if it isn't even written yet, just how can it be defended as a good thing?

If it isn't even written yet, why are Senators and Congress People so uninterested in hearing what a broad section of Americans have to comment on about the Bill.

If it isn't even written yet exactly why is the Administration asking for people to inform the White House about who are against the plan?

It sounds like what you are defending is the notion that the Administration and Congress should be able to write any plan and anything into the plan and no one should dare criticize it or question it.

I don't listen to any News Networks but if I had to guess which one you do it would be PRAVDA.

Communists suck!



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
DEMS SNEAK UNION THUGS INTO CARNAHAN TOWN HALL-- Tea Party Taxpayers Locked Out!

www.youtube.com...



[edit on 093131p://bFriday2009 by Stormdancer777]

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Yeah, the people hollering and screaming are acting like a bunch of children... but they are doing what the memos told them to do... Holler and scream and well... act like children...


...TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER...



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
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Sorry... and anyway, now that the opposing side realizes what is going on and is taking action people are crying foul?

They should have been crying foul to begin with.


So Hunka. Nana-nana boo-boo is your only intellectual response? C'mon you can do better than that. Your theories and imaginings are losing their grip my friend. Just because you choose not to hear the cries of "FOUL" doesn't mean they haven't been echoing across this nation for a looooooooooooong time.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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FOX NEWS is the only people telling you this... the health care bill isn't even written yet and nothing you said above is in this legislation


Well, if it isn't even written yet, just how can it be defended as a good thing?




I think jimmyx's point is how can it be attacked as a bad thing?



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by Hazelnut

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
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Sorry... and anyway, now that the opposing side realizes what is going on and is taking action people are crying foul?

They should have been crying foul to begin with.


So Hunka. Nana-nana boo-boo is your only intellectual response? C'mon you can do better than that. Your theories and imaginings are losing their grip my friend. Just because you choose not to hear the cries of "FOUL" doesn't mean they haven't been echoing across this nation for a looooooooooooong time.



To be honest the cries of foul sound like the cries of sour grapes.

For example, I don't see anyone offering alternatives... all I see are memos sent in order to organize "hollering and screaming". These aren't "PEOPLE WITH A PLAN", they are simply "ORGANIZED DISSENTERS".

They are acting like children, but that's ok. There is enough to cause a ruckus, but not enough to change an election.




BTW... LOVE the new Avatar!

[edit on 7-8-2009 by HunkaHunka]



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 10:06 AM
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Even if what you say is true, which is highly doubtful I might add, they still have a right to speak to their representatives and have their questions and concerns addressed.

If you really want to be so blind and pretend everyone is a part of the obcene and mindless two party charade system that is your right as a brainwashed American/Socialist/Communist.

There are though lots of people who do not belong to any party, do not vote Democrat or Republican that still are CITIZENS and still DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF GOVERNMENT IN THE HEALTH CARE BUSINESS.

Only a fool or a very evil person would claim that no one has a legitimate concern or greivance and that it is all simply about two party politics in a shallow and transparent attempt to dismiss all dissent and potential better ideas along with it.

Two heads are better than one, and three heads are better than two...According to the Greeks who invented Democracy it works best when as many people speak to the issues as humanly possible.

How is it you think Democracy works best when only a 'select' group of people are 'allowed' to speak to the issues, and only along narrowly 'defined' parametors, and only in support of the Government and the ruling party?

That sounds like tyranny to me, not democracy.

It says a lot that the ideas and notions going into these bills are so faulty and frail that the people who authored them and support them are AFRAID to speak to people who have INTELLIGENT questions about them.

ALL Americans should have a right to be heard, America is not just for Kenyans!



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 10:08 AM
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I don't agree, but even if you're right isn't that exactly what ACORN does?






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posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by HunkaHunka
 


Even if what you say is true, which is highly doubtful I might add, they still have a right to speak to their representatives and have their questions and concerns addressed.



Oh I agree, and the representatives have the right to have this conversation in a civil and rational manner.




If you really want to be so blind and pretend everyone is a part of the obcene and mindless two party charade system that is your right as a brainwashed American/Socialist/Communist.



Really? People who think that America is a mindless two party system are scoialists and communists? To be honest I thought there were TONS of anti-NWO people who feel that America is a mindless two party charade.

Not that I feel this way, just that there are a lot of libertarians on the NWO forum which would take umbrage with your statement.

No, I believe that the media rotates and syncopates slow paced brains. Not everyone... just the mentally weak.




There are though lots of people who do not belong to any party, do not vote Democrat or Republican that still are CITIZENS and still DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF GOVERNMENT IN THE HEALTH CARE BUSINESS.



Fair enough... but the memos which were sent out, were not sent out by independents... they were sent out by the conservative right.





Only a fool or a very evil person would claim that no one has a legitimate concern or greivance



Oh I agree.. my questions is why is it that all the grievances being aired aren't on the memos being sent out?

Why is it that the questions being asked are verbatim from the memos but when asked to elaborate, the same people start sounding like Palin behind a microphone?





and that it is all simply about two party politics in a shallow and transparent attempt to dismiss all dissent and potential better ideas along with it.



Not at all... what I'm trying to dismiss are people who don't have any real grievances or answers themselves.

I really don't believe that a government of the people makes any sense when there is just grievances... there also has to be solutions coming from the people.

Solutions to problems like people who have paid their insurance premiums for over a decade just to have their insurance agency not follow through on the claims.

The amount of money spent by health care insurers just to take claims to court to get them dismissed.

Are you forgetting about these problems that people also have grievances about? Do you see us who have these issues carrying on like children? No, we elected the people we felt best represent these issues.




Two heads are better than one, and three heads are better than two...According to the Greeks who invented Democracy it works best when as many people speak to the issues as humanly possible.



Exactly... and that's the problem here. What we see with the Town-Hall screamers is not people "speaking to the issues", it's the verbal equivalent of throwing fruit at someone. They aren't looking for actual answers, the memos tell them just to cause a ruckus and make others feel the same way. In a nutshell the memos are saying "Wag the dog".




How is it you think Democracy works best when only a 'select' group of people are 'allowed' to speak to the issues, and only along narrowly 'defined' parametors, and only in support of the Government and the ruling party?



I never said that. Now you are putting words in my mouth. misspelled ones at that.

No what I said was that hollering and screaming is not acceptable. You want to talk about problems, talk about problems, don't act like the drunk uncle at a wedding.




That sounds like tyranny to me, not democracy.



What does? Expecting people to act civil? Seems like you would feel anarchy is the best form of gov.




It says a lot that the ideas and notions going into these bills are so faulty and frail that the people who authored them and support them are AFRAID to speak to people who have INTELLIGENT questions about them.



I haven't seen any intelligent questions being asked... have you?

All I am hearing is "Why should we trust you to run healthcare when you can't get the cash for clunkers right?" This is a misdirection which is not an actual question about the healthcare bill, it's simply an attempt to throw political feces at people.

These people who have acquired these memos and are going out only to holler and scream are pretty much the same as that guy who called Buzz Aldrin a liar. They are getting in their faces and making accusations, but they aren't actually interested in solving the problems which exist.




ALL Americans should have a right to be heard, America is not just for Kenyans!



Wow...

Yes Americans have the right to be heard, but when you are exercising that right with all the decorum of a three-year-old with a tantrum, then you've stepped over the line of the rights of others.






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