Had Enough? Citizen Uprising Takes Hold!

It is my belief that these 'disruptions' are largely set up.

It's not to say that there are not some 'real' protesters/questioners there. However, most people when they want answers or really want to get a point across, that they will not scream to do it.

I am of the belief that we will see a rise in these 'disruptions' over the next few years (if not months), until we actually have riots. However, I don't think it's -just- because of the Health Care issue.

Just looking at the general emotional 'tone' of ATS over the past few months, it has shifted from being fairly mellow, to where it's almost ludicrously 'angry.' That it seems like it takes less and less time for people to 'get hot' over an issue, or to react with negative posts.

In my sig, I say that I doubt the NWO is organized. Looking at the various fires and 'smoke clouds' being generated on an increasing basis, it is like the NWO (or what ever you want to call 'them',) are fighting/acting in a contrary manner; where one group is blocking another, which blocks another. In short, they are hardly unified in purpose or action.

Though it seems like the only agenda they can agree on: is that riots, civil unrest and confusion have to be elevated or pushed to happen. That they are looking to create huge sociological fractures in the USA, more so than the other countries of the world. To what end, *shrug* I suspect there are numerous goals, and since I think the NWO (or whoever they all are) all have their own separate goals (often cross purposes to each other); it likely will never be clear.

Part of me suspects that if they can get massive riots and so on, there will be lots of disappearances and mysterious deaths; as the NWO (whoever) conduct a shadow war trying to kill each other off. All under the smokescreen of civil unrest, martial law and so on.

Not to mention, that if there is a massive and 'lethal' flu/plague/what-have-you rolling through, it could be another venue or smoke cloud for their 'war.'

But then this is all just part of my personal theory on the 'disruptions' et al.

Your mileage may vary,
M.

If government is supposed to totally control healthcare and our lives, our founding fathers with all their wisdom would have put this provision into the Constitution. Or this would have been mentioned in the Bill of Rights or even in one of the Amendments to the Constitution.

It would have fit nicely next to the right of free speech and religion and the right to bear arms. But for some reason I don't see the right to free nationalized healthcare. Hmm.....

But the Bill of Rights and Constitution only mentions the rights of the people to have individual freedom and the right to NOT have the government involved in our business. How problematic for all you socialists out there.

Originally posted by WhatTheory
If government is supposed to totally control healthcare and our lives, our founding fathers with all their wisdom would have put this provision into the Constitution. Or this would have been mentioned in the Bill of Rights or even in one of the Amendments to the Constitution.

It would have fit nicely next to the right of free speech and religion and the right to bear arms. But for some reason I don't see the right to free nationalized healthcare. Hmm.....

But the Bill of Rights and Constitution only mentions the rights of the people to have individual freedom and the right to NOT have the government involved in our business. How problematic for all you socialists out there.

You are right. Our founding fathers sought to obtain freedom from nationalization brought on by high taxes, religious imposing, and pretty much everything else. United States was created to preserve the individual rights and freedoms of everyone. Nationalizing corporations, banks, health care, and other systems is not constitutional. You have to fight to preserve those freedoms, and that is what these protesters are doing.

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It doesn't work anywhere else and that's why it wont work here. Those are the facts. Unless little Johnny with cancer gets chosen in the lottery (like in canada for example) He'll just have to keep waiting till the next month to see if his cancer gets treated. People are getting mad over the health care more because it's going to be paid for by the people and the people just can't pay for everything else, we have to work on those BAIL OUTS and everything first. But that's just too logical right? The other things, the FED and all the other crap will have to be delt with after everyone gets together and this healthcare issue is in fact bringing everyone together for multiple reasons. If you watched the videos you can see that those people are there for multiple reasons INCLUDING the FED and the loss of liberties.

Originally posted by consciousdrum
Unfortunately we werent alive in 1913 when the first betrayal happened...the ATS crowd woulda stopped that clear in its tracks

My grandparents, great aunts/uncles were around then. Saw and suffered The Great Depression. Now they feel helpless. They've been shot down for speaking up because they are 'old and senile' and 'fearful of all the memories. It won't happen again.'

Too bad we don't respect our elders more and find excuses to dismiss the knowledge they have.

Originally posted by Asherah

Regardless of what anyone says it is NOT UNAmerican to protest. It is our right to express dissent. It is the mark of patriotism.

Very well spoken! Kudos to you!



So many good, great comments on this thread! Passion, it is so good to see it!



This really sheds some light on most peoples concern.
"How Can You Manage Health Care When You Can't Manage Cash For Clunkers?

... i dont know what to think. although i agree, and am totally against obama's health care plan, im kind of irritated that this is what they chose to protest. i mean, this is a nice thing to add to the list, but there are a few other things that deserve protest more than that issue.

We do have a right to protest the endless bail outs, running the national debt into inconcievable numbers trillions and quadrillions!

How is it fair? How is it constitutional?

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Amen to that. These protests are a sham, somehow i got put on freedomworks/ dick armey's e-mailing list, the past month they have been sending out emails with all the horror stories about their future under the reform, and telling everybody to "turn up the heat" and such. It's so funny how the right spits all their BS about small government when it doesn't match their agenda, but they DEMAND forceful government intrusion into the lives of other citizens whom they disagree with. They are easily stirred into a frenzy because they are cowards, afraid of their own shadows. But they sure love to puff up their chests when they are sure they're not in danger. Hypocritical cowards, nothing more.

In any case, an interesting aspect of this report is that ABC didn’t find any “fake” protesters but found instead that all the angry attendees were actual voters that actually lived in the Congressman’s district.

There were no lobbyist-funded buses in the parking lot of Mardela Middle and High School on Tuesday evening, and the hundreds of Eastern Maryland residents who packed the school’s auditorium loudly refuted the notion that their anger over the Democrats’ health care reform plans is “manufactured.”

This is, of course, the facts on the ground at every townhall. There are no “manufactured protests.” It is real citizens that are real angry at Obama’s socialist policies.

ABC Reports: It’s Real People, REAL Mad
www.publiusforum.com...

www.publiusforum.com...

blogs.abcnews.com...

“I am here because I understand that I do represent you folks, okay?” Kratovil said, after entering the auditorium to applause. “The opinions that you folks have, I need to know. There are legitimate concerns.”

Just then, someone in the audience shouted back, “Our freedom is being taken from us!”

MY heart is breaking, because yes it is being taken from us.

Stop FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER,

GET UP GET UP!

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Originally posted by Jnewell33
Also, I have seen a post or two referring to the "machine" and how these mobs are funded by insurance companies and Republican special interest groups...if you could provide a link or at least some kind of proof to back up these statements, posts like that hold about as much water as the birth certificate issue. Like the Tea Parties, many Americans are angered at being lumped into these groups and they WILL be heard.

I erased the emails i recieved from freedomworks regarding healthcare, but here's a copy of a recent one i recieved on july 16th, a "call to action"...

Help Stop Another Threat to U.S. Energy Security


Dear XXXXX,


Don’t look now, but another threat to America’s access to affordable energy looms on the horizon.

Recently, Nancy Pelosi and her fellow liberals in Congress passed a massive new Cap and Trade Energy Tax in the House. This potentially devastating legislation that would threaten thousands of American jobs and cause energy prices to skyrocket now moves to the Senate and could be voted on as early as September. Meanwhile, the Obama Administration is attacking our energy security on another front.

Soon after he was confirmed as Secretary of the Interior, Ken Salazar announced that his department would be scrapping the plan for offshore oil and natural gas drilling and exploration developed by the previous administration.

Every five years the Department of the Interior’s U.S. Minerals Management Service (MMS), the agency responsible for offshore oil and gas leasing in the United States, develops a Five-Year Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) leasing program that helps schedule offshore oil and gas lease sales. Instead of sticking to the plan in place, Salazar’s MMS is changing the rules on energy companies in the middle of the game.

Please call Secretary Salazar at 1 (877) 851-2516 and tell him that altering the Draft Proposed Program for 2010-2015 already in place, threatens our energy supply and could send gas prices through the roof.

The Obama Administration has made no secret about their desire to see less oil, gas, and other tried-and-true fossil fuels on the table and their plans to limit energy production will increase energy prices. The truth is, we need all energy options on the table and the government shouldn’t be picking and choosing winners.

Higher energy costs mean fewer jobs and rising costs on everything from food to transportation to heating and electricity. Expanding offshore drilling and producing more energy would lower costs and help create more jobs.

The middle of an economic crisis is no time to start changing how business is done for the businesses, workers, and families that rely on the availability of the billions of barrels of oil and trillions of cubic feet of natural gas just off our own shores. New technology has made energy exploration more environmentally friendly and safer for workers.

Call Secretary Salazar at 1 (877) 851-2516 and tell him we need more energy not less. And if you have another moment, please send an email to the agency. Let him know you support the Draft Proposed Program for 2010-2015 – the plan already in place.


Sincerely,

Dick Armey
Chairman
FreedomWorks.org

P.S. Thousands have already registered to bring our less government, more freedom message to Washington on September 12. Your donation can help make this event and our ongoing efforts a huge success.

Less government, more freedom my @ss. These rightwingers are such hypocrites, in their desperation they really have become disgusting.


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I thought I would help in reminding people of an important fact.

Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

avalon.law.yale.edu...

(1) He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing, with manly firmness, his invasions on the rights of the people.

(2) He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

(3) For imposing taxes on us without our consent...

We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name and by the authority of the good people of these colonies solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British crown and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved; and that, as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.

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reply to post by Pathos


Thank You! Great Post!

reply to post by 27jd


No what you describe is people using their right to freedom of speech and peaceful protest! Far from disgusting!

Disgusting? Here is something that is disgusting!

During a demonstration Thursday evening outside a forum on aging called by U.S. Rep. Russ Carnahan, D-St. Louis, in Mehville, Missouri, a patriot was viciously attacked by union thugs.

www.infowars.com...

Now...WHO is restorting to violence? Thugs hired by the Union...
to beat a protestor that was peaceful!

And WHY? Because the Governemnt is allowing Treasonous activities...and they are robbing and looting this country...and they dont want to have to mess with "peaceful protests"!







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No, what is disgusting is the hypocrisy of the right. I'm not a part of either "wing", so my opinion is unpolluted by what party lines DICTATE. They are NOT for less government, just less government in THEIR lives, but again, demand more government intrusion into the lives of others. I'm for less government in EVERYBODY'S life. Those emails are meant to scare old people into a frenzy, which it's done with misinformation, plain and simple. Those are not just americans making their voices heard, they're all cowards who have been told the sky is falling. It is, but not because of the reasons those old farts think it is. Remember, the right was in power until january, and less government was NOT on the agenda. These angry mobs are a joke, a bunch of scared old people being told what to say. If it was their opinion, the email wouldn't have to tell them what to say. They don't even understand what they're reading, only that it scares them.

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If it takes health care to wake people up and expose a liar then that's what it takes. But remember, once people wake up to government lies and gestapo tactics that pickle will never be a cucumber again.

People will naturally become more willing and receptive to know what other lies they have been told, and that is where the opportunity is.

Originally posted by WhatTheory
If government is supposed to totally control healthcare and our lives, our founding fathers with all their wisdom would have put this provision into the Constitution. Or this would have been mentioned in the Bill of Rights or even in one of the Amendments to the Constitution.

You have to be kidding.

Healthcare was not an issue like it is now. They didnt have insurance companies. they didnt have hospitals charging $100 bucks a bandaid.

They had country doctors that would pay you a visit.

Since when did any right wing extremists believe in the constitution anyway?

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war"

~Abraham Lincoln

This is where you should be concentrating.

We have to many selfish people in our nation. Unless its about a banks bailout then they are cool with that kind of welfare. Or Reagan's welfare for the rich, or Bush's thousand points of light AKA welfare for the rich. Or the military industrial complex AKA welfare for the rich.

Dont try and make it so the average Joe doesnt have to decide between feeding the kids and getting healthcare....no buddy thats socialism!


[edit on 7-8-2009 by LoneGunMan]

reply to post by burntheships


They are just rightwing conservative nujobs, turn the other way don't look,

Seriously though, what people don't realize is that when they see their rights taken away, and then say it is justified, the ones making the excuses for the unjustifiable,
WILL BE NEXT.

You are watching first had Gestapo tactics and bulling,

CHICAGO STYLE.

reply to post by 27jd


Honestly, who gives a flying F if various people and organizations are sending out emails to citizens and informing them about what is going on? This is how politics works, people and/or organizations with opposing viewpoints try to garner support in many different ways. It's known as "freedom of speech".

However, to sit there and just label all of this as some kind of organized "mob" is absolutely ludicrous and asinine. People from both sides of the aisle, as well as people with no particular political affiliation, are standing up and saying NO MORE. We've been pushed around by the government for long enough, and it is FINALLY boiling over.

They've been wiping their a**es with our Constitution, and the American people seem to finally be waking up to that fact.
The only change we should believe in is going to come from the American people. The system is corrupt, it needs a complete and total revamping, and we will never get that from our precious government.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Exactly! Thank you for posting the links and your comments!

The beating of a peaceful protestor! And where is that on the MSM news? Oh my gosh...what if this protestor had been protesting at at a doctors office about thier need to get "free" healthcare and they were beaten?

That would have been front page news you know!

This is truly outrageous!



[edit on 7-8-2009 by burntheships]

The only people with their pants in a wad over health care is the extreme right wing nut jobs like the birthers and tea party gangs. You have 26% of people calling themselves republicans now days and then you figure this is a few of their core base, you only have a splinter of the population freaking out, the rest of us like what we see trying to be done. If you are against health care reform, you are either one who cares not for your fellow man and a "I got mine, screw everyone else" type of person, you are an ideologue and a follower of the mob, or you are a stupid person being used by the corporate elite for their purposes. You can't tell me that the health care industry is killing us, I have United Health Insurance and we have been told as of September 28th, our premium is going up 40%! We need to take Wall Street out of the health care industry, they are sucking 30% of our health care dollars to pay their gambling winnings. If you do not see the need for health reform you are either stupid, self centered, have a stake in the game based on greed, or all of the above. The republican base has to be the lowest educated group of people in the country and their behavior makes them look like a laughing stock.