Had Enough? Citizen Uprising Takes Hold! , page 2

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reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 09:37 PM by consciousdrum

I dont know how to post a page from another website,but top story now in yahoo finance is something about the white house telling dems how to deal with protestors....and i thought we had the right to gather in peaceful protest

reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 09:43 PM by burntheships

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones

No slaughter house for me! Star for you!

reply to post by mpriebe81

Agreed! I care not what issue finally ingnites the fire.
I would have set off fireworks last October if people had taken to the streets over the first Bush bailout!

That was my tipping point! If there had been protests then, I would have been there! But...sigh...it has taken this long for people to awake to the two headed beast!

Are we to tolerate endless bailouts for corporate welfare?
Are we to tolerate taxation without representation?
Are we to sit idle as our freedoms are stripped away?

Your point is well made!

reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 09:49 PM by sanchoearlyjones

reply to post by burntheships

Hey, same boat!!! It's going to take people like us of all shades, sizes, and beliefs to help see the future of humanity; literally.

The Elites are getting extremely close to completing their sick agenda. I'd recommend the swine flu threads by marg6043 to everyone.

**On that note I'd like to see her swine flu threads, and this one up on the front page*** I'll stay in and help.

Time is getting close, and I'd like to see more people live through the coming atrocities the PTB will ****try****

[edit on 6-8-2009 by sanchoearlyjones]

reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 09:50 PM by mpriebe81

reply to post by burntheships

thanks burn, appreciate it

I've had roughly 10 tipping points over the past 8 or so years.

I've written to representatives and the POTUS, i've filled out and passed
on countless petitions, i've been to protests etc.

The powers that be just do not care about the American people.
That's why sitting back and doing absolutely nothing is the completely
WRONG way to go about changing things in OUR country.
The politicians and bureaucrats need to be frightened of us in order
for us to take the power back. Plain and simple.
We must make it very clear to these people that there will be
consequences for ignoring the viewpoints of average Americans.

Once again, great thread burn!

reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 09:58 PM by TheOneElectric

I am advocating everything except talk of lynching, violence, and death.

I am advocating something where we are not so quick to embrace those like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, CNN, Fox News, and others as our saviors. You and your God above are the only thing that will save you. They did not wake you up, YOU woke yourself up. You made the decision.

The thing that scares me most are those who will willingly accept violence as the first (call it last if you may) answer to this problem of the "shadow government".

I am not calling for "lol love will save us all" I am calling for you to simply respect each other and simply stop playing to their hands. They want you to be angry. They want to show themselves to you in fleeting glances, because they know that you may not touch them. So your hate eventually turns on yourself and others. They are counting on this to implement their next steps.

What do we do know? Look at the situations that we are in objectively. Is there an issue with the health care reform. Is there truly one? Was their truly an issue with any birth certificates? Or are there bills such as the new food codex passing: www.youtube.com...

You are being swept up in the hysteria of the meaningless as the true issues that limit your freedoms and physically harm you are being passed by right in front of your eyes.

Call your congressman. Do not threaten his life. Threaten his job.

reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 10:04 PM by burntheships

Wow, every time I do search today on "angry protests" there are 5 to 10 new additions of news articles.

So...with that said, here is a list of the writeups...
However a word of caution...
When this is all said and done...be careful and watch yourselves.

That is what you do, what you say, and even as you talk with your neighbors. At this point...it looks like civil unrest is becoming fashionable. But...you do not want someone to report you to
the whitehouse truth . gov. 1984 snitch anonymous.gov.

These headlines from August 06, 2009
Health debate produces angry protests, retorts: *Video*
www.msnbc.msn.com...

www.cqpolitics.com...

Protests at Democrats' Health-Care Events Spark Political Tug of War

Pelosi's visions of swastikas
www.washingtontimes.com...
www.washingtonpost.com...

reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 10:06 PM by mpriebe81

reply to post by TheOneElectric

Man, i'm not exactly sure who you're talking to here, but I haven't been
swept up in anything. I'm not a violent person by nature, and I am very much
opposed to the concept of a barbaric and bloody revolution.

People are angry, yes. But does that mean that everything will
escalate into full-scale violence on all fronts? I don't think so. Not at all.

I agree that we need to take a stand, and becoming organized will
be the major hurdle if we are ever to achieve anything positive here.
The major movements during the 60s are a good model, and one that
I feel the majority of Americans could get behind.

Blood will undoubtedly be shed if and when these changes begin gaining
momentum, but we have to hope that it will be as little pain and suffering
as possible.

reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 10:18 PM by burntheships

Originally posted by TheOneElectric

What do we do know? Look at the situations that we are in objectively. Is there an issue with the health care reform. Is there truly one? Was their truly an issue with any birth certificates? Or are there bills such as the new food codex passing: www.youtube.com...

You are being swept up in the hysteria of the meaningless as the true issues that limit your freedoms and physically harm you are being passed by right in front of your eyes.

Call your congressman. Do not threaten his life. Threaten his job.

IMO heathcare...yes. Birth Certificate? No...that is a false front issue. CODEX? A huge issue that will affect us all!

And I could not agree more with your last sentence...
Call your congressman. Do not threaten his life. Threaten his job!

reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 10:41 PM by sanchoearlyjones

IMO heathcare...yes. Birth Certificate? No...that is a false front issue. CODEX? A huge issue that will affect us all!

And I could not agree more with your last sentence...
Call your congressman. Do not threaten his life. Threaten his job!

I agree with that a 100%. Considering the very real, and very scary implications of CODEX, the PTB are putting tons of deflection 'issues' out to distract from that, and other issues.

Personally, I not only call my Congressman, but do research. Find out where they'll make appearences, or where their favorite restaurants, venues, etc. are. Make a special appearence there, and tell the bad ones you know they aren't doing what they promised, and they aren't doing what their constituents wanted.

Make'm squirm!!!!

reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 10:52 PM by mpriebe81

Ahhhh Codex....truly a sinister and frightening notion.
The WHO(world health organization) can kiss my butt!!!
Alot of my daily veggies come from the backyard garden,
which they will never get their dirty hands on.
When i first found Codex my mind was absolutely BLOWN.
I think that was one of the biggest tipping points for me personally.

How about the rest of you? When and what made you finally
decide that our gov't is royally screwing us at every turn?
(assuming that is how you feel)

reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 05:51 AM by djusdjus

You have 45 million Americans without any form of healthcare. These people work, pay their taxes etc etc.

You would rather have some insurance company decide whether or not you get treatment as opposed to no opposition to getting treatment at all?

I think these protests are held out of two things:

1)manipulation by the current medical powers who by the way govern themselves via the ama.

2) sheer ignorance of the issue and continued fear.

yes, America should wake up. Your country never was what you thought it was. the machinations of it are rusted and broken and straining the resources of the rest of the planet.

tone it down or pay the consequences.

You guys talk about socialized services as if they are evil. That is ignorant as there are many healthy and happy people who live under systems of socialized medicine in their own country,.

besides, you don't think it won't be two or even tree tiered in it's delivery do you?

people are stupid cattle pulled around by their noses depending on who is interested in doing so.

reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 06:13 AM by detachedindividual

I don't know all the details about this, so I can't comment too much.

But...

Protesting - You're doing it wrong!

Why are people (and when I say "People", I of course mean middle-class, white folks) protesting adequate and fair medical treatment for all. And while your government is handing over Trillions of your $ to already wealthy corporations?

Protest about your representatives refusing to answer questions.
Protest about your government controlling and infiltrating your lives to the point of a nanny state.
Protest about your nation supporting Israel's murder of innocent people in Gaza.
Protest about your military holding people without charge and torturing them.

There are a million and one things for America to be mad about. Healthcare for all is not a justifiable reason.

If America becomes socially unstable because of this one issue, while you've done absolutely nothing in the face of far more despicable things, you should be embarrassed, and even ashamed.

reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 06:44 AM by kettlebellysmith

reply to post by Ex

Yes, medicare, medicaid, and VA are, to some extent, socialized medicine.

But what Obama and his cronies are trying to do is take over the whole system, which will mean rationing of health care, eventually denying treatment to to the very young and anyone over 60. This is what Dr. Ezekial Rham, one of the Presidential advisors wrote in a paper.
What is taking place now, is not just about health care. It is about the government attempting to take control or our lives. It is about the extension of the Nanny state, and the loss of our freedoms.
The Bill Of RIghts guarantees certain rights to the citizens of this country, and are granted even to those who are here illegally(5th amendment is a good example.)

This is the tipping point. The citizens of this country are waking up, and once awakened, "they will see the long train of abuses and usurpations," and the revolution will begin. I just hope it is peaceful.

reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 06:44 AM by jibeho

reply to post by detachedindividual

I understand your perspective but, this 1000 plus page bill is riddled with filth and thievery. This country cannot even manage social security, medicare and medicaid in their present forms. All of those plans are virtually broke. The only way to pay for those programs and Obamacare is to jack up taxes on the working class.

Currently, my family has excellent insurance coverage through my wife's employer and we pay a high premium for it. But it allows us to see a doctor of our choice from within the network, we don't need referrals, we have a $15 co pay and 100% coverage. I am willing to pay for that coverage and I don't want to lose it.

Obama says everyone will have a choice. NO! The choice only exists if your employer does not climb aboard the government bandwagon to save money. I can guarantee that most employers, especially smaller ones, will drop private coverage when they realize that they can go cheap with Obama's plan. Your choice is then gone and you are then sucked into the system. Right where they want you. They can manipulate your care, your finances and your overall well being.

"You can wait a couple of more years for that hip replacement MR. Smith" "Maybe by then you'll be dead and off of the dole". "BTW Mr. Smith were taking you off of Statins and putting you on a Cheerio's diet"

Anything to save a dollar.

reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 06:45 AM by bigshow

reply to post by detachedindividual

Because this is going to be the straw that broke the camels back. When the bailouts first started, americans did protest and guess what... congress and the senate did what they wanted anyways. This uprising is meant to show the government we have had enough of their behavior and unconstitutional ways. And to the person that said we should just shutup and be passive and let them do whatever they want, you go ahead... when they do come for us "radical" right wingers that will not go down without a fight you can think to yourself of what an honor it is for someone who will actually FIGHT for their freedom and liberty under our nation's constitution, and to be free of tyrannical government such as our own.

reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 07:06 AM by Erasurehead

Americans are fed up. We have had enough of the Federal government interfering with our lives. Like others have said I am surprised that it took this long. The patriot act, bankster bailouts, cap and trade bill all being passed without any protest. I guess messing with peoples healthcare was the tipping point.

The democrats are not doing themselves any favors by calling these people an angry mob and republican shills. These are average Americans that want their voices heard. I am waiting for the term domestic terrorists to be thrown around.

The only violence I have been hearing about are from the union thugs being bussed in by the Dems.

Go America!! Stand up for your rights. Liberty not Tyranny!!

reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 07:13 AM by detachedindividual

reply to post by jibeho

Oh right, so this is linked through your employer?

That's where the problem lies then, this should be down to individual choice rather than forced.

Why not just attach this to earnings for those willing to participate and be covered by a national health service? It seems to me that this doesn't need to be a decision made by any employer on behalf of their employees.

In that case, carry on. I still think there are more important things to protest about. But I'd probably be protesting this too. I'd want the choice.

I'm not at all happy with the way in which we all pay for national health care in the UK, I want to be able to opt-out and go private if I liked, but we still have to pay for the NHS through tax anyway.

reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 07:13 AM by kingoftheworld

I think that the main point of this whole thing is i should not have to pay for someone elses healthcare period. I know your retorts are gonna be "Well social security and medicare/medicade is just like that". Well i dont agree with those either and beside the fact that i dont agree with them they are also unconstitutional. The constitution says that the gov't should provide for the "General Welfare of the people", and anything like SS that is personalized is therefore illegal just like income taxes. The general welfare is to protect us from other countries' attacks and things of that nature.

reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 07:23 AM by Erasurehead

Originally posted by detachedindividual
I don't know all the details about this, so I can't comment too much.

But...

Protesting - You're doing it wrong!

Why are people (and when I say "People", I of course mean middle-class, white folks) protesting adequate and fair medical treatment for all. And while your government is handing over Trillions of your $ to already wealthy corporations?

Protest about your representatives refusing to answer questions.
Protest about your government controlling and infiltrating your lives to the point of a nanny state.
Protest about your nation supporting Israel's murder of innocent people in Gaza.
Protest about your military holding people without charge and torturing them.

There are a million and one things for America to be mad about. Healthcare for all is not a justifiable reason.

If America becomes socially unstable because of this one issue, while you've done absolutely nothing in the face of far more despicable things, you should be embarrassed, and even ashamed.

You are attempting to paint the protesters as racists with your uninformed comment that it is all "middle class white folks". You should be embarrassed. Please put away your race card.

Maybe if you actually did some research about what is happening you would see that it is not just "white folk" as you put it. There are Americans of all age, race and gender against government run healthcare without choices. They do not want the government to dictate what kind of care they should get. It is not the governments place!!!

www.stltoday.com...

Kenneth Gladney, a 38-year-old conservative activist from St. Louis, said he was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow flags with “Don't tread on me” printed on them. He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the emergency room of the St. John's Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was waiting to be treated for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face that he suffered in the attack. Gladney, who is black, said one of his attackers, also a black man, used a racial slur against him before the attack started.

“It just seems there's no freedom of speech without being attacked,” he said.

reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 07:24 AM by jibeho

reply to post by kingoftheworld

The money that we pay into SS should be in a personal account instead of a general fund. That would create too much wealth for the government to handle.

Chile has been utilizing the personal account system for years and it works. I am sure that it has room for improvement but it is certainly better than our system of an open fund that is constantly raided to pay for other things. Illegal?

Great article here. What a concept!!!
www.socialsecurity.org...

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