Originally posted by hotrodturbo7
The motto of the site is "deny ignorance".
If you make a statement, you back it up, that IS how it works here and you won't be taken seriously until you figure that out.
Anyhow, some of your links point to WHO studies from 2000, slightly out of date?
WHO does not even do this study anymore, as it was deemed cost inefficient.
The NPR link compares medical bills
Of course they don't get billed as much, it comes out of their sky-high income tax!!!
The health affairs link does not even have any info to support your case! The US is not even included in most of the comparisons, and when it is,
it's even or more favorable than the other countries.
Comparing health care systems by overall healthiness of the populations is bunk, Lifestyle is the biggest deciding factor there, and we americans do
love our vice and gluttony.
There are numerous documented instances of people coming from all over the world to receive health care in the US, guess someone forgot to tell them
they could have gotten better care at home!!! Shame about those plane tickets and hotel bills...
Here's one from the left wing mouthpiece MSNBC, shame about this little girl's plight, thank God the US health care system was here for her. Guess
noone told the parents that their native New Zealand has the model health system of the world!!!
Years of lobbying convinced the New Zealand government to cover the $1.4 million cost of Matisse’s planned transplants.
What if she would have died during the years they were lobbying the government medicine overlords to pay for her care, that they could not even
provide and had to outsource???
I'm probably just a sick worthless person for using a child's plight to make my point though, right?
[edit on 11-8-2009 by hotrodturbo7]
Oh dear you have torn to shreds my 2 second google search. What i've said must be wrong.
So comparing health care systems by overall healthiness is wrong and lifestyle is the determining factor of healthiness according to you. Is that your
professional opinion as a health care professional? I find it ironic that you have just scorned me about not backing up my statements with references
then you go ahead and say this.
Well since i know a lot of about health care i will school you some. Public health is one branch of a health care system. A good health care system
will have a good public health side to it, which will provide good health education to the everyday citizen so that they are armed with the knowledge
of what are good and bad lifestyle choices in regards to their health and well being. So with that in mind i would say overall healthiness is the
correct determining factor of which to compare health care systems from different nations, but please feel free to continue to make blanket statements
that are completely ludicrous because you are obviously the master of all things health and i am but a child in your presence when it comes to your
knowledge of health, shall i go on being sarcastic???
Oh people are coming to america for health care from other countries that must make your health care system most awesomeness of them all. Wow gee you
are real good at logic? Do you have a degree or something?
You have very expensive private health companies that can provide excellent specialized service to those who can afford it. So yeah with that in mind
sure plenty of people will come to america to recieve specialized treatment of obscure health issues of which may not be provided in their home
countries but they will be paying top dollar for this e.g. ($1.4 million.) Does this mean the average joe in america is receiving superior health care
to the average joe in some other country say new zealand where this specialist treatment is not offered, NO IT DOES NOT.
Also ask yourself this would the U.S. government foot the bill for some poor kid from the U.S. who had the same ailment as the N.Z. kid to receive
treatment in the U.S. of a cost of $1.4 million. Highly unlikely.
As for brits not getting billed as much as U.S. because they pay it all in SKY HIGH INCOME TAX as you put it. Well i would love for you to bring up
some evidence what the average say english person pays in taxes compared to the average U.S. citizen. I have a hunch that U.S. citizens would pay a
bucket load more tax. Another way of looking at it is if we added up the total cost of health care in england and compared it to the U.S. i'm sure it
would be a lot more in the U.S.
ZOMG WTFBBQ you say? But the english has a national health care system run by the government surely its costly and inefficient and corrupt etc etc..
Well no not really, its run pretty well and it is pretty efficient. You see their is some accountability in the government. Employee pay scales and
all that, no CEO's receiving golden hand shakes etc. Where as in private enterprise there is a lot more room for inefficiency, corruption and greed
(ENRON. Firstly since its a private company its all about the bottom line and all about making the biggest gains for investors, squeezing as much
money as they can out of their customers.
Anyways its plain and simple FOR ONE OF THE MOST DEVELOPED COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD YOU ARE PAYING THE MOST FOR YOUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AND RECIEVING
SOME OF THE WORST TREATMENT.
THAT IS BECAUSE YOUR SYSTEM IS PRIVATE AND PRIVATE COMPANIES BY DESIGN ARE TRYING TO SCREW YOU OVER TO GAIN A PROFIT.
From now on any objection to the above statement of fact in CAPITOLS will be received by me as either denial or pride one or the other.
In conclusion you yanks deserve your current health care system. Good luck slaves.