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Michael Jackson, Jewish Numerology, the number 7 and God’s Probability!

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posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by OldThinker
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You fixed the FONT issue...or did my browser just adjust?

OT


LOL, yer I fixed it
Ta.


Vacant




posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by liveandlearn
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I only know gematria is related to the Kabbalah.

Here is a link to the Jewish Virtual Library

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I did!!!!

check it out....

and found....


GEMATRIA (from Gr. γεωμετρία), one of the aggadic hermeneutical rules for interpreting the Torah (*Baraita of 32 Rules, no. 29). It consists of explaining a word or group of words according to the numerical value of the letters, or of substituting other letters of the alphabet for them in accordance with a set system. Whereas the word is normally employed in this sense of manipulating according to the numerical value, it is sometimes found with the meaning of "calculations" (Avot 3:18). Similarly where the reading in present editions of the Talmud is that Johanan b. Zakkai knew "the heavenly revolutions and gematriot," in a parallel source the reading is "the heavenly revolutions and calculations" (Suk. 28a; BB 134a; Ch. Albeck, Shishah Sidrei Mishnah, 4 (1959), 497).



OT thinks the old dudes were on to something....


liveandlearn, thx for the link there!



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 09:09 PM
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I don't understand the fascination with Michael Jackson. He was a disfunctional person who could have done great things to help the world, but instead spent his life crying over his woes.

He had more resources than nearly every person on this planet but could never step up to the plate. So, for me Michael Jackson is a non issue. I could find far more interesting things regarding numerology and any number of people on this board who probably have done more for the world, than the pitiful man who spent his life feeling sorry for himself.

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posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by Egyptia
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I don't understand the fascination with Michael Jackson. He was a disfunctional person who could have done great things to help the world, but instead spent his life crying over his woes.

He had more resources than nearly every person on this planet but could never step up to the plate. So, for me Michael Jackson is a non issue. I could find far more interesting things regarding numerology and any number of people on this board who probably have done more for the world, than the pitiful man who spent his life feeling sorry for himself.

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OOOKKKKKK!

Thank you for the response.!

btw, where did all that callousness come from?

Are you from the middle east?

Are you less than 40?

That would explain it to me?

OT



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 09:16 PM
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Cool!

Thought my ole sight was going?????

btw, black off of white would be better than silver off of white...

I dunno? I'm the guy that had red on silver for yrs here, don't listen to me....



OT

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posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 09:18 PM
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No, I am from the Western World of North America and the people that I esteem who have resources to help the world we live in, are those that actually know the value of their lives and what they are able to do with it.

Michael Jackson is not one of them. Although he had every opportunity to do great things. One cannot deny that he spent his life feeling sorry for himself and really didn't do much. He was self-immersed and could not look beyond himself.

How this has anything to do with the Middle East I have no idea. Or how you have surmised what you have is completely off base. Those that are worthy of mention are usually those that desire nothing from the world. Michael Jackson was an egomaniac and he lived a life to prove that. Simply put. He did not sow anything worthy in the humanitarian realm.

Sorry if that offends you, but it is what it is.

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posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 09:22 PM
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Middle east connection? I dunno AVATAR? NAME?

Excuse me for being off base...

btw, how do you KNOW much about the guy? You a promoter or something?

OT



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by Egyptia
....... Simply put. He did not sow anything worthy in the humanitarian realm.

Sorry if that offends you, but it is what it is.

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[edit on 6-8-2009 by Egyptia]



OT does not get OFFENDED, check out the 5000 posts in the profile, ok?

btw, nice job, using the LONG-TIME word there, 'SOW'....good word, you know its origin?

OT SOWING and REAPING.....atleast tryin....

You sound 'GROUNDED'....help me out!



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 09:30 PM
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It isn't that he didn't do charity work, it's more that he could have been in the position to do far more with what he had.

No offense, but I just don't think he deserves so much adulation.

The world is comprised of people who no one will ever know their names, yet they have sacrificed themselves. This is where I'm coming from. I think it's wonderful that you are able to find wonder in the things that peak your being. But for me, Michael Jackson is not one of them.

So again, no offence and hope that you can understand a difference of opinion.

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posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 09:50 PM
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OT thinks the old dudes were on to something....


I think so too, but since

The use of letters to signify numbers was known to the Babylonians and the Greeks. The first use of gematria occurs in an inscription of Sargon II (727–707 B.C.E.) which states that the king built the wall of Khorsabad 16,283 cubits long to correspond with the numerical value of his name. The use of gematria (τὸ ὶσόψηφον) was widespread in the literature of the Magi and among interpreters of dreams in the Hellenistic world. The *Gnostics equated the two holy names Abraxas (ʾΑβράξας) and Mithras (Μίθρας) on the basis of the equivalent numerical value of their letters (365, corresponding to the days of the solar year). Its use was apparently introduced in Israel during the time of the Second Temple, even in the Temple itself, Greek letters being used to indicate numbers (Shek. 3:2).


who knows if it was correct or...correct now. Reading further, there are many different way Hebrews used gematria.

On a side not as to your name...Rodgrigo Mendoza is who you relate to and Toby Keith is your age. Right or wrong?

edit for grammer

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posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by Egyptia


So again, no offence and hope that you can understand a difference of opinion.

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Please know, none taken....its all good!

btw, the "7" is'nt too much about MJ, its more about JC, to me...

have you seen....


The seven gifts of Romans 12:6-8.

The seven unities of Ephesians 4:4-6.

The seven characteristics of wisdom, James 3:17.

The seven gifts of Christ in John's Gospel:

His flesh, 6:51.
His life, 10:11.
His example, 13:15.
The comforter, 14:16.
"My peace," 14:27.
His words, 17:8,14.
His glory, 17:22.
The seven "better" things in Hebrews:

Testament, 7:22.
Promises, 8:6.
Substance, 10:34.
Hope, 7:19.
Sacrifices, 9:23.
Country, 11:16.
Thing 11:35.
The seven titles of Christ in Hebrews:

Heir of all things, 1:2.
Captain of our salvation, 2:10.
Apostle, 3:1.
Author of salvation, 5:9.
Forerunner, 6:20.
High Priest, 10:21.
Author and finisher of faith, 12:2.
The seven-fold "once," apax (hapax). Once for all, in Hebrews (9:7,26,27,28, 10:2, 12:26,27).

The Seven exhortations in Hebrews, "Let us," 10:22, 23, 24, 12:1, 28, 13:13, 15.

The seven graces of 2 Peter 1:5-7.

The seven-fold ascriptions of praise in Revelation 5:12, 7:12, etc.

The seven "eternal" things in Hebrews:

A priest for ever, 5:6.
Eternal salvation, 5:9.
Eternal judgment, 6:2.
Eternal redemption, 9:12.
Eternal spirit, 9:14.
Eternal inheritance, 9:15.
Everlasting covenant, 13:20.
The seven firstfruits of—

Resurrection, 1Corinthians 15:20-23.
The Spirit, Romans 8:23.
New creation, James 1:18.
Israel, Romans 11:16.
The "redeemed from the earth," Revelation 14:5.
Missions, Romans 16:5.
Ministry, 1Corinthians 16:15.
The seven parables of Matthew 13.

The seven-fold "blessed" in Revelation: 1:3, 14:13, 16:15, 19:9, 20:6, 22:7, 14.

The seven "mysteries" or secrets:

The kingdom, Matthew 13:11; Mark 4:11; Luke 8:10.
The partial blindness of Israel, Romans 11:25.
The Church or Body of Christ, Romans 16:25; Ephesians 3:3,4,9, 5:32, 6:19; Colossians 1:26,27; Revelation 1:20.
The first Resurrection, 1Corinthians 15:51.
The secret purpose of God, Ephesians 1:9; Colossians 2:2; Revelation 10:7.
The secret purpose of the devil, 2Thessalonians 2:7.
Babylon, Revelation 17:5, 7.
The seven steps in the humiliation of Jesus and the seven in His exaltation in Philippians 2.

The seven words of Jesus from the Cross:

"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do," Luke 23:34.
"Verily, I say unto thee today: Thou shalt be with Me in Paradise," Luke 23:43.
"My God! my God! why hast thou forsaken Me," Matthew 27:46.
"Woman, behold thy son...Behold thy mother," John 19:26.
"I thirst," John 19:28.
"Father, into Thy hand I commend My spirit," Luke 23:46.
"It is finished," John 19:30.
Seven-fold occurrence of the expression "in Christ," in 2 Timothy: 1:1, 9, 13, 2:1, 10, 2:12, 15.

The mystery of God is completed in the seventh vial of the seventh trumpet of the seventh seal.

The "seventh" man "from Adam" "was not, for God took him" (Genesis 5:24).

The day of atonement was in the seventh month (Leviticus 16:29).

The clean beasts were taken into the Ark by sevens (Genesis 7:2). (The others were taken by twos, 6:19).

Seven steps lead up to the temple in Ezekiel 40.

The Lord's Prayer contains seven petitions. These are divided into four and three. The first three relate to God, the four to man.

Seven washings are typical of our complete spiritual cleansing (2 Kings 5:14).
more: www.biblestudy.org...

OT out....



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 10:05 PM
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Yes, the number 7 is one of the numbers associated with mysticism and God's wisdom. It is rather amazing when one begins to decipher the codes into the meaning of the physics of our world in connection to the mysteries of G-d.

I utterly agree with you.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by liveandlearn
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Think I would need to know more about gematria and how it is to be properly used...



OT did a lil' research...this is what I found....about 'gematria'...one or two examples may be given of the numbers in names, etc., though many more are given elsewhere.

See...

Enoch, "the seventh from Adam" = 84 (7x12).

"Heirs of God," in the Greek = 1071 (7x153).

"The Lamb," in Greek = 651 (=7x93 or 7x3x31).


not sure what it all means, tho?



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 10:13 PM
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Egyptia ok, good...

Question? Why do folks spell "G-d" on ATS? As opposed to "God'? OT always wondered that? Is it a respect thing? One who is SO distant thing?

I dunno?

OT



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 10:18 PM
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Enoch, "the seventh from Adam" = 84 (7x12).

"Heirs of God," in the Greek = 1071 (7x153).

"The Lamb," in Greek = 651 (=7x93 or 7x3x31).

not sure what it all means, tho?


Means nothing to me and as you said there are many other ways these numbers are given.

Whatever was real in the beginning is likely lost to us now.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by Egyptia
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Yes, the number 7 is one of the numbers associated with mysticism and God's wisdom.


7? There were 7 great things done by Jesus on "Saturday" (sabbath)

Peter's wife's mom, Mark 1:29.
The woman, Luke 13:11.
The withered hand, Matthew 12:9.
The unclean spirit, Mark 1:21.
Man born blind, John 9:14.
Man with dropsy/desease, Luke 14:2.
An impotent man, John 5:8,9.

see the scriptures for more details, ok?

OT



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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Yeah, it is confusing for sho...check this out, I enjoyed... www.tonycampolo.org...


no math


but profound, please let me know what you think, ok?

OT



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 10:32 PM
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ASQ CSSBB is an acronym, Six Sigma is a method and black belt is the name of a certification level.

ASQ is who your certification is authorized under, and CSSBB is black belt, essentially. So you in your end post sig told me essentially that it's a trick question.

You want me to explain to you about what your certified in?

It might take me a while of learning to get to that level. I don't know anything about Six Sigma in particular. Are you suggesting my methods of summation and digit playing is something akin to statistical production problem solving? Otherwise, to comment with that would have no relevance to what I posted. (although, if I'm incorrect, let me know!) And now, I have something ELSE to read up on in my spare time.

I also learned something completely new to me in numerology by playing with some of the prominent words in your post.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by OldThinker
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Egyptia ok, good...

Question? Why do folks spell "G-d" on ATS? As opposed to "God'? OT always wondered that? Is it a respect thing? One who is SO distant thing?

I dunno?

OT


It is the way that the scribes wrote the name of God because they believed that to write the entire word itself is to remove the Holy from what God infers. It's an ancient custom that has trickled down into our modern times.


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posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 11:20 PM
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OK, so MJ had this mysterious attraction to the number seven. What exactly does this have to do with paying rent?




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