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Is the Native American Indian Holocaust Continuing?

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posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 05:37 PM
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The news media in America and Europe are influenced by unwritten boundaries which are well known to each reporter and these boundaries will never be crossed.

How many of you are aware that it seems clear that the Native American Indians have been subjected to genocide by the influx of European settlers?

Estimates of the Native American population that were killed off by the Europeans vary from 1 million to 12 million. But that is not the conspiracy....that is history!

The conspiracy is that there seems to be a planned genocide of the Native Americans that continues today with deliberate poisoning by radiation or spread of infections (just like the old days) in the land of the Free and it is likely that the Press will ignore it once again, as they have been conditioned to. However, this situation MUST be publicised:




American Indian Genocide Continues - Scrapie Prion July 5, 2009 Featured, Genocide, News Discuss Now! FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: The planned genocide against the Navajo People of New Mexico, Arizona and Utah continues with the latest poisoning and cover-up by the United States.

Navajos have faced well documented cases of mining Uranium without required protection, exposing them to facing premature abortions, cancer, degenerative diseases and death. They have lived in the shadow of Rio Puerco, a Uranium waste spill that exceeds 3 Mile Island in the amount of nuclear material leached into the ground, with hundreds of people effected and which has yet to be cleaned up.

They have been poisoned by the United States at Fort Windgate, where Navajo People were exposed to the Hantavirus for the crime of living downwind from the Fort Windgate Munitions Depot. Though rarely mentioned, all cases of Hantavirus in the United States have occurred downwind of U.S. Military Munitions Storage Depots, in Hanford, in Long Island, New York and in Southern California

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The thing is will you ignore it? If not, why not pressurise your Congressmen and Senators to declare 2010 a Native American year in which apologies can be made for their slaughter and political moves made to ease their situation?

[To read more about genocide please go to:
Background
Genocide
Genocide of 12 million people?
Native American Heritage Month


[edit on 6/8/2009 by Heronumber0]




posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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I live in the indian capital of the US, Oklahoma. I've been around these guys my entire life. There's a lot of hate put to them, most of it they deserve. They have a reputation for being drunk, lazy, loud, and dirty. Many, many of them live up to the reputation; there are many who don't though, just like with any stereotype.
They, mostly, are bitter about their ancestors and about the way of life which has been lost to them; I can't blame them, I envy that life myself. The religion is dying, the language is dying, and the culture is relegated to run down stores and roadside stands. However, I've never heard of modern day indian genocide, not even from the most staunch of anti-white indians.
IF this is happening, it's news to every indian nation I've ever came in contact with.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Headshot
I live in the indian capital of the US, Oklahoma. I've been around these guys my entire life. There's a lot of hate put to them, most of it they deserve. They have a reputation for being drunk, lazy, loud, and dirty. Many, many of them live up to the reputation; there are many who don't though, just like with any stereotype.
They, mostly, are bitter about their ancestors and about the way of life which has been lost to them; I can't blame them, I envy that life myself. The religion is dying, the language is dying, and the culture is relegated to run down stores and roadside stands. However, I've never heard of modern day indian genocide, not even from the most staunch of anti-white indians.
IF this is happening, it's news to every indian nation I've ever came in contact with.


Thank you for your strightforward answer, friend. I certainly cannot blame them for feeling bitter. They seem to be a footnote in history and if millions have been killed, they deserve justice.

However, back to the point. If you expose people deliberately to Uranium or to infections in sheep which could cross the species barrier, like swine flu, is that not the same as giving blankets to Native Americans which have been infected by smallpox? Here's a letter by a doctor, which says this:



My name is Dr. Milo Muller, I am living in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and my profession is a veterinarian epidemiologist. My specialty is a veterinary public health, and part of my training is to investigate outbreaks of diseases transmissible from animals to humans. Recently, in dealing with two issues of disparate treatment of American Indians in New Mexico, I found an issue that desperately needs the attention of the American public. In this instance, the Federal Government created this issue, failed to take corrective action when violations of federal laws became known to the upper management in Washington, DC, and then stonewalled a proper investigation of this malfeasance, comparable only to infamous government Tuskegee Experiment on African-American men in 1940’s. My first concern is that the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is unlawfully blocking a proper investigation of reckless exposure of American Indians residing on Navaho Reservation in New Mexico to Scrapie Prion (infection agent similar to Mad Cow Disease). My numerous letters and submissions to the U.S. Office of Special Counsel, U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), and to the USDA Inspector General regarding this malfeasance have been ignored, in direct violations of federal government policies and regulations.


Link to Modern Genocide Letter

If this article and letter are even partially true then it is a stinking cover-up.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 06:23 PM
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Absolutely, and I wouldn't put it past them for a second. I've heard of similar experiments where things like '___' were put in the cereal bowls of kids in asylums and where clouds of radiation were launched out over parts of the northwestern US. That was years ago, who knows what's going on now.
But, like I said, IF this is happening it has even been covered up among the indians themselves.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 06:27 PM
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I can't speak about the rest of the country or all the tribes but the Indians here in Florida seem to be doing extremely well for themselves.

Their casinos and tourist attractions do a brisk business as do duty free sales of things like Tobacco and Liqour.

The average adult recieves close to 32,000 a year in Revenue Proceeds from the tribes, kids get about 8,000 a married Indian Couple with 2 kids would recieve around 80,000.00 per year just for...being a married Indian Couple with Two Kids.

Nice work if you can get it, and I am glad that they do, they sure do deserve it.

The Indians here are pretty shrewd and innovative businessmen who have put the State's budget woes to good use as they offer up huge chunks of cash and low interest loans for State concessions in business areas that interest the tribes.

They are finding it harder to find a younger generation of Indians willing to wrestle alligators but hey a little rouge on an out of work unemployed White Guy will fool most people if not most Gators who believe White People taste just like Indians!



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Headshot
Absolutely, and I wouldn't put it past them for a second. I've heard of similar experiments where things like '___' were put in the cereal bowls of kids in asylums and where clouds of radiation were launched out over parts of the northwestern US. That was years ago, who knows what's going on now.
But, like I said, IF this is happening it has even been covered up among the indians themselves.


I'm glad you're being skeptical but I think that this sort of thing happens much more often than you or I would think. The public are like experimental animals to the super wealthy. You or I would be test subjects so that they could avoid diseases or harmful effects of radiation or heavy metal poisoning. The elite think they are a race apart. I seem to remember that Dubya had to be stopped from a general release of pesticide (or something similar) to see how people would react. I'll try to find the link if I can. The good doctor's letters seem to have been ignored by the Government regarding the scrapie infection (this is an infection of sheep which affects the brain and drives them crazy so that they scrape their wool off against wire fences - nasty stuff!)



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 06:34 PM
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Don't these guys have their own reps?
why can't they tell their reps and then have the reps do something about it? Who has been silenced?
And also i disagree with kissing butt over something that happened years ago that i didn't do. You know what, after watching braveheart i just might demand an apology from the british.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 06:47 PM
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by ProtoplasmicTraveler I can't speak about the rest of the country or all the tribes but the Indians here in Florida seem to be doing extremely well for themselves.

Their casinos and tourist attractions do a brisk business as do duty free sales of things like Tobacco and Liqour.


PT - I have read about similar tribes who are millionaires from the gambling industry - I agree, they deserve it. However, it is a far cry from those tribes who have had rules made for them and then suffered the consequences. For example, members of the Blackfeet tribe were forced to make houses under Government rules. The houses developed black mould which is very harmful to young and old allowed. Guess what the Government say they might sue the Blackfleet tribe instead of the other way round? Is this stupidity or is it bias?



by ProtoplasmicTraveler are finding it harder to find a younger generation of Indians willing to wrestle alligators but hey a little rouge on an out of work unemployed White Guy will fool most people if not most Gators who believe White People taste just like Indians!
Love this!



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 07:00 PM
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There is absolutely no doubt about it that First Nations Peoples the world over got royally screwed by the Holy Roman Empire conquest of the world through Christianity.

Some of the tribes have in recent decades done very well, but most do just have a now too long history of being robbed and manipulated, lied to and murdered, forced to migrate to lands that if the lands they were forced to migrate too had any real value in the way of mineral wealth they were then forced to migrate off of them again!

It's a real travesty but sadly we live in a world were it can be very dangerous not to have a white pasty face, blonde hair and freckles and carry a Holy Bible in your arms.

Whether you are a Muslim living in the Middle East, a Samoan in the South Pacific, or a native American in Montana being a non-Germanic heathen infidel has it's demonstrative price in this crazy world of ours.

The good news if there is any good news and you could call it good news is most of the First Nations Peoples have remained much closer to the Earth and the Natural World.

Cut off New York City from refigeration, rail, air, trucking, and electricity and gasoline, close the bridges and you have 10 million people waiting to die all for the unbelievably low price of 14.00 dollars in trinkets.

Cut off a major Indian Reservation of the same things and you have a few people who are going to miss a few meals but still likely get by without too much of a hickup.

The Indians might not be free, but they darn sure aren't slaves like most of the rest of us are.

The future might have some very bright things still in store for them.

What goes around, comes around, and every dog will have it's day...Rome's is coming, Rome's too though is almost gone.

The Indians are likely going to weather the upheavals involved better tham most.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 07:00 PM
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This is despicable if it is a wanton disregard for human life. Not just any life, but the much maligned Western U.S. Native Americans. Well do I remember back in the 1950's when my parents actually gave a crap about such things and discussed such things, we, all of us, Americans were subjected to flyovers by the government, which was testing out our air currents and how a virus or biological attack, or nuclear fallout attack would affect us, by, yeah, dispensing some sort of disease element upon us in the air. No doubt such things continue today. I don't believe the government is singling out Native Americans. It is just using the available people in the area. Anyway, it's despicable. I could go on to rant about how Native Americans deal with partial Native Americans and their funny rules, but I won't.


Edited to say, "But I did leave a hint."


[edit on 6-8-2009 by kyred]



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 07:07 PM
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Because they still are treated as 2nd rate citizens. The navajo were not given even water rights till this year.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The education they are given is shoddy. There are few employment opportunities. Basically if they want any chance at all, they have leave their people, their families and their communities and go somewhere else.

People like to pretend the casinos help them. But that is like saying that all white people are rich because Donald Trump is. A lot of cases, the money doesn't trickle down.

They have high incidences of diabetes and alcoholism due to high unemployment.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by kyred
This is despicable if it is a wanton disregard for human life. Not just any life, but the much maligned Western U.S. Native Americans...Anyway, it's despicable. I could go on to rant about how Native Americans deal with partial Native Americans and their funny rules, but I won't.


Edited to say, "But I did leave a hint."



I could not agree more. Why doesn't the mainstream Press even approach these stories? I would guess that it would show the U.S. in a bad light when they are trying to promote American 'freedoms' abroad. The stories are probably quietly dropped by Editors.

PT your comments are wide ranging and deserved the star that I gave them. However, it is important to note that the most mineral rich countries in the world have some of the poorest populations. You may be right about the survival chances of Native Americans, but if you are ill from being given contaminated food or water, the game is quite one-sided before it begins.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Headshot
I've never heard of modern day indian genocide, not even from the most staunch of anti-white indians.


...are the 1970s too ancient for you to consider them "modern day"?... research forced sterilization of native american women... its not the same as outright slaughter but it is most certainly a genocidal tactic... the instances stated in the op are accurate as well...



IF this is happening, it's news to every indian nation I've ever came in contact with.


...no, its just news to you...



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 09:32 PM
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I doubt that the genocide continues, though it certainly did exist. Among other things, the US army gave smallpox-infected blankets to many Indians, who had no natural immunity to that disease. Smallpox wiped out entire villages. That's in addition to the usual shooting and murdering, and putting these people in desert reservations which had no arable land or hunting grounds. No question about the genocide happening.

The comment about hantavirus is incorrect. While it *may* exist "downwind" from US Army sites, it also exists elsewhere. Pretty much it shows up where there are rodents. That would include Asia, Europe, South America, and North America. I don't see anything about Africa, Australia, or Antarctica. But hantavirus is neither rare nor limited to any special locations.

One of the hot spots for hantavirus in the US is the Four Corners Indian reservation. There's no military base nearby. It's just where some rodents exist, and leave the virus.

The virus is spread through rodent feces and urine (CDC). If someone disturbs these locations, dust can be raised that carries the virus. If inhaled, it can cause illness, which can be fatal. In the desert, these locations are going to be dry, meaning it is easy to stir up dust if you disturb the ground.

There is nothing to show that any genocide continues. The US has already eliminated the Indians as any sort of threat. There is no need to kill them, especially when there are far more troublesome groups around that would make more plausible targets.

As for the scrapie issue - we have a *veterinarian* alerting US authorities about the possibility of scrapie-infected sheep entering the food chain. But I have a couple of observations about that.

First, scrapie is an ancient disease that has affected sheep for hundreds of years. It is common in Scotland, where it gets its name. It isn't known to infect humans.

Granted, "not known to infect humans" isn't the same as saying "it is known to be safe for humans". I wouldn't eat lamb if I knew it came from an animal that had scrapie. However, it makes no sense to try to commit genocide with an agent that is not known to affect humans. Seems to me you'd want something a bit deadlier than that.

Finally, I'm not at all certain that the US government has jurisdiction on the Navajo reservation. The Navajo Nation may not welcome biligaana interference with their affairs. Let's face it - the US government doesn't exactly have a sterling reputation among Indians. I know, hard to believe, but it's true.

Oh, yes, about the radiation thing. During the filming of the movie "The Conqueror" (John Wayne playing Ghengis Khan of all people), the site was downwind from a nuclear test site. The actors and crew were exposed to radioactive fallout. Over 40% of these people came down with cancer. I doubt the US was trying to commit genocide on John Wayne. The truth is, back then the dangers of exposure to nonlethal amounts of radiation weren't recognized.

So to summarize: The US has no reason to commit genocide against the Indians. If they're trying to do it, they've chosen some ridiculous ways to do it - a disease that has not been shown to infect humans, and low-level radiation that takes decades to kill someone, often well past their childbearing age. Sure, maybe you'd get a mutation or two, but likely you'd get nothing except some older folks dying before their time. This is not the stuff of genocide.

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posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 11:10 PM
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I was out to dinner and saw this thread on my bb, did not open it at the time but have to say I am very let down with the content here.

This is an important question and deserves a much deeper leveled discussion.

I will be back when I am as sober as the topic. This is a passion of mine.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 11:34 PM
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I have always loved indians and their respect for the environment, their wisdom in all things. When I was a kid in school I wrote a story about when the indians lost their land. My teacher asked if I were an indian because no-one else could have written such a compelling and compassionate and realistic view of events. I did have an indian grandmother 7 gnerations back, but I guess that doesn't count.

In any case, I offer them courage and strength, love and light, in their life journey.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 03:55 AM
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Originally posted by chiron613
I doubt that the genocide continues, though it certainly did exist. Among other things, the US army gave smallpox-infected blankets to many Indians, who had no natural immunity to that disease. Smallpox wiped out entire villages. That's in addition to the usual shooting and murdering, and putting these people in desert reservations which had no arable land or hunting grounds. No question about the genocide happening.


I agree with you. However, deliberate neglect of people through the wrongful use of law is also a form of genocide. I mentioned earlier that the Blackfeet tribe were forced by building regulations to use copper arsenate in building their homes which later succumbed to 'black mold.' Instead of suing the Government Department involved, the Government are considering suing the Blackfeet - despite the buildings being constructed under stringent Government issued regulations. Is this genocide by neglect? Or can we just call it another form of germ warfare by neglect?


The comment about hantavirus is incorrect. While it *may* exist "downwind" from US Army sites, it also exists elsewhere. Pretty much it shows up where there are rodents. That would include Asia, Europe, South America, and North America. I don't see anything about Africa, Australia, or Antarctica. But hantavirus is neither rare nor limited to any special locations.

One of the hot spots for hantavirus in the US is the Four Corners Indian reservation. There's no military base nearby. It's just where some rodents exist, and leave the virus.

The virus is spread through rodent feces and urine (CDC). If someone disturbs these locations, dust can be raised that carries the virus. If inhaled, it can cause illness, which can be fatal. In the desert, these locations are going to be dry, meaning it is easy to stir up dust if you disturb the ground.


I will concede the point when further information is provided, although you do make a convincing case. However, the implication is that the military bases may be releasing weaponised Hantavirus into tribal areas deliberately. The wiki link you provided yielded this information:



Korean hemorrhagic fever (Hantavirus) was one of three hemorrhagic fevers and one of more than a dozen agents that the United States researched as potential biological weapons before suspending its biological weapons program.[1]


The Government 'suspended' its program/pogrom you may counter, but when have you ever believed anything the Government says?



There is nothing to show that any genocide continues. The US has already eliminated the Indians as any sort of threat. There is no need to kill them, especially when there are far more troublesome groups around that would make more plausible targets.


This is the major issue here. Complete, planned and malicious neglect to the plight of the Native Americans is virtually the norm for many Native Americans.


As for the scrapie issue - we have a *veterinarian* alerting US authorities about the possibility of scrapie-infected sheep entering the food chain. But I have a couple of observations about that.

First, scrapie is an ancient disease that has affected sheep for hundreds of years. It is common in Scotland, where it gets its name. It isn't known to infect humans.


Have you heard of Creutzfelt-Jakob Disease, Gerstmann- Struassler Syndrome and Transmissible Encephalopathies? The risk may be small but there are procedures to cope with infected animals. Yet, despite the veterinarian's letters, animals do not seem to be treated in the manner required by the Government's regulations and I refer you to about p55 of the USDA guidelines here: USDA Scrapie Guidelines

Malicious, predetermined neglect is the key. And where are the Press reports which should be broadcasting headlines about scrapie? Not even in sight.


Granted, "not known to infect humans" isn't the same as saying "it is known to be safe for humans". I wouldn't eat lamb if I knew it came from an animal that had scrapie. However, it makes no sense to try to commit genocide with an agent that is not known to affect humans. Seems to me you'd want something a bit deadlier than that.


True. Would hantavirus released from military bases do the trick?

Here are some symptoms:



Hantavirus (cardio-)pulmonary syndrome. Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome (HPS) is a deadly disease transmitted by infected rodents through urine, droppings, or saliva. Humans can contract the disease when they breathe in aerosolized virus. HPS was first recognized in 1993 and has since been identified throughout the United States. Although rare, HPS is potentially deadly. Rodent control in and around the home remains the primary strategy for preventing hantavirus infection. These symptoms, which are very similar to HFRS, include tachycardia and tachypnea. Such conditions can lead to a cardiopulmonary phase, where cardiovascular shock can occur, and hospitalization of the patient is required.


Hantavirus


So to summarize: The US has no reason to commit genocide against the Indians. If they're trying to do it, they've chosen some ridiculous ways to do it - a disease that has not been shown to infect humans, and low-level radiation that takes decades to kill someone, often well past their childbearing age. Sure, maybe you'd get a mutation or two, but likely you'd get nothing except some older folks dying before their time. This is not the stuff of genocide.


The Navajo Nation living in Rio Puerco where the levels, which is an area with radiation spills. From investigative sources, the levels are very high - at least tens of times higher than recommended of gamma radiation. The bottom line is that Native American children play in those areas and that gamma radiation is very capable of causing mutations because it penetrates the skin quite easily. Would you live with your children in such an area?
Link to SIRC Survey


To summarise the O.P. the mainstream Press has deliberately ignored the plight of Native Americans. Arms of the Government will bias building regulations against the favour of Native Americans. Infections and radiation that enter the food chain are ignored, despite the pressure from concerned locals and professional people. It is possible that weaponised virus is released in aerosolised form downwind of military bases. In short, some genocides take longer than others, friend. Thank you for your post.



posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 12:33 AM
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I can't say whether the articles you've posted have any validity to them, but as a Native American woman I can say that yes, there is stilla genocide happening. In Canada basic things like clean water and access to health care are not equally recieved bu many First Nations people, particularly those living in more remote reservations. For example, Kashechewan First Nation (lack of clean water), or Fort Albany First Nation (poisoned lands). Both of these nations are supposed to have their needs for healthcare, education and water (among other things) met by the federal government in honor of the treaties signed.

Of course, given the long history of ignored and disrespected treaties in the Americas it is not at all surprising that these needs are not being met. More recently we see the effects of lack of adequate healthcare when you see the extreme hit many Canadian First Nations reserves are taking when it comes to H1N1 flu. These communities have dramatically higher infection rates and severe cases, as well.

Beyond that, it is quite well known the system of historical extermination that both Canadian and American governments have practiced throughout the years. More recently it has been more covert and in many cases has become genocide through legislation. Coupled with the real, physical effects of neglect and being treated worse than animals you can imagine the effects on our communities.

And yet, very few people talk about it. Probably because of stereotyping many people don't even think we exist any more.

Mr. Headshot, we've been around you guys for all our lives too, and let me just say that yes, there is bitterness, but it's not just due to our long dead ancestors. It's because of the very real, and very recent treatment of our people. Look at residential schools, which in Canada were only fully closed less than 3 decades ago. Look at the sexual, physical and mental abuses that went hand in hand with those schools. Let's not forget murder, sterilization and experimentation. These things happened to my people, some of whom are still alive this very moment, and these things happened to directly impact me and my life. The only bitterness I personally feel is towards people who lack knowledge of the situation and fully believe that these issues are long dead and we should get over it and move on.

In terms of culture, I understand you may be speaking from your own personal experience, but it is very much alive and growing all the time. Healing is happening and we are getting stronger. Many languages are rising up again, as are traditional practices such as dancing, drumming and other religious ceremonies.



posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 12:53 AM
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Wierd, I was discussing this same topic in another thread earlier today before I read this thread .

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 29 2009 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by parrhesia
I can't say whether the articles you've posted have any validity to them, but as a Native American woman I can say that yes, there is still a genocide happening. In Canada basic things like clean water and access to health care are not equally recieved but many First Nations people, particularly those living in more remote reservations. For example, Kashechewan First Nation (lack of clean water), or Fort Albany First Nation (poisoned lands). Both of these nations are supposed to have their needs for healthcare, education and water (among other things) met by the federal government in honor of the treaties signed.


I cant vouch for the absolute veracity of the sources, but I did try to check them out beforehand. It is salient that sites occupied by Native American people are allowed to be contaminated by radioactivity or by fungus that could damage their health. I don't know about the hantavirus spread by the military but there is a high correlation between the site of the bases and the spread of the virus. I find it ridiculous and disgusting that none of the mainstream Press will ever voice the concerns of Native American people. There are claims that millions of people were exterminated by new settlers but these will probably never be investigated because the good guys of the world don't carry out genocide - that is only for Communists/Muslims/anybody who doesn't agree with the US.


Beyond that, it is quite well known the system of historical extermination that both Canadian and American governments have practiced throughout the years. More recently it has been more covert and in many cases has become genocide through legislation. Coupled with the real, physical effects of neglect and being treated worse than animals you can imagine the effects on our communities.


Could you please find some links on this topic.



... These things happened to my people, some of whom are still alive this very moment, and these things happened to directly impact me and my life. The only bitterness I personally feel is towards people who lack knowledge of the situation and fully believe that these issues are long dead and we should get over it and move on.

In terms of culture, I understand you may be speaking from your own personal experience, but it is very much alive and growing all the time. Healing is happening and we are getting stronger. Many languages are rising up again, as are traditional practices such as dancing, drumming and other religious ceremonies.


I think that there should be restitution and compensation before there is any healing. Black people were able to organise superbly well in order to properly demand their rights. I think that it is about time that Native Americans took a leaf out of the books of black activists of the 60's and 70's and took part in peaceful demonstrations to gain a public perception of the problems faced by the original inhabitants of the States. It is about time that the Holocaust against Native Americans is acknowledged by the Press.

Thank you for your first hand account of the problem.



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