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Is Congress and the Government Purposely Trying to Create Chaos, Riots, and Revolt Among Americans?

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posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 07:11 PM
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Bravo !!!...Bravo!!!...
....if you could see me giving you a standing ovation,this post would be oh so much better...no party association for me neither...they are both corrupt...the Constitution IS THE ONLY WAY




posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 07:20 PM
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Do you guys even read what you type?
Joke: How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips are moving.
Joke: How do you tell if a lawyer is lying? His lips are moving.
Joke: Why are most lawyers politicians? Better tips (payoff).
The French called a ship of state and the left leaned to the port (port, wine, whine, left, get it?)
There is no left & right & middle. There are ideologies, beliefs ...
Do you believe in running your finances in a deficit mode?
Do you believe in supporting others who could get a job but don't and no your own children do not count.
Do you believe in abortion? Mandatory? Paid for by everyone? Oh by the way, Insurance companies ask about abortion & cigarettes because 1 abortion has the same cancer risk as 20 years of smoking. Second hand smoke had to be used as an excuse for banning smoking because a fetus wasn't a person and therefore not harmed by the abortion.
These are all personal stances which you take on a subject. As far as I can tell, most politicians lose their personal stances once they become politicians. Stop with the left and right. They are playing games and not fixing the country. Stop playing their games. Maybe you have a game we'ld all like to play together.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 07:20 PM
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They're definately being more transparent in whittling away our rights and constitution.

If people weren't so enthralled with Obama from the word go, it wouldn't have gotten thus far. Which TPTB know full well.

And by my line of sight, they're blatantly working people into a growing frenzy, and full well know that, too.

In nine years, the oil barons have made their fortune, the war machine is still making its big bucks, banks have cleaned the country dry. Anyone who is anyone is looting all they can get.

That right there makes my *ss pucker.

They're loading up all they can as though they're about to hybernate - we the people are cornered. And my instincts are telling me checkmate will be brought out soon.

So, with so much happening, I think they'll eventually wind us up to revolt - by necessity - and the politcians can make themselves out to look the victims in this fiasco we once called America, the land of the free and home of the brave.

Or a dozen other scenarios. Either way, I think we're being set up to take the fall.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by consciousdrum
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Bravo !!!...Bravo!!!...
....if you could see me giving you a standing ovation,this post would be oh so much better...no party association for me neither...they are both corrupt...the Constitution IS THE ONLY WAY


These two corrupt political parties serve themselves well but the people of this nation terribly.

It is almost impossible to discuss the real issues involved with real government without having one of these real morons throw a party based deflectionary issue into it.

They absolutely refuse to believe or to allow other Americans to simply be Americans, but rather insist you divide yourself to the left or the right so they can tar what ever subject you are speaking to with the widest possible brush.

I don't care what Richard Nixon, or Teddy Roosevelt or Woodrow Wilson let alone George Bush I, II or the 79th did, I care what the clown in office today is doing, who said he wanted the job today, and I expect him or her to get real results and not give me real excuses and lay the blame on someone elses door. If you can't do the job, don't ask for the job! If you didn't understand what all was involved when you asked for the job...well hey, you clearly weren't and aren't qualified for the job!

There has got to got to be some real accountability in our Government and the best place to start is with the current crop of politicians actually serving in Government and the best time to do it is NOW!

There is no point in putting off until tomorrow what you can do today, and no use in putting off till later what you can do right now!

America used to be a nation of standards NOT EXCUSES.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 07:27 PM
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Well I see it as some major players in the world beyond just politics are getting there toes stepped on. What I mean by that is this depression we are in is causing the rich to get yelled at becuase of the lavish lifestyles and look down upon the common man additudes as they bankrupt America and then basicly say give us more or it will get worse. So you have them pulling strings of there bought off Republican and Democratic puppets to create crazy arguments that put people against each other instead of against the people who have destroyed the economy. Take for instance the Kenya birth certificate. The woman behind it is wacked out Russian lady who went to community college in Isreal and became a dentist a lawyer and a real estate agent through internet courses. And I beleive shes just a patsy to create diversion from bankers robbing us blind and sharing the wealth with there political puppets that give them our money.

So yes Americans are turning against each other as politicians make fake claims as to why things are so bad as they hide the true reasons that they bankrupted us giving big business and ceos anything they wanted as long as they got there pay offs bribes and campaign contributions. And with the health reform you have the same thing going on.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 09:05 PM
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Regardless of WHO is doing these protests the real idea behind this is to discredit all dissenters who might be inclined to speak up regardless of the issue. Both parties are part of the same corporate-serving organism that ACT like they are doing something for "the people" (occasionally they actually do) when they serve themselves and their banker paymasters. Divide et Imperatum, as always.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 09:39 PM
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As far as I can tell, most politicians lose their personal stances once they become politicians. Stop with the left and right. They are playing games and not fixing the country. Stop playing their games.
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I agree.
I would like to add to that-that I wish more of us could see and understand this,so that we could actually put on our listening ears when a person is trying to be informative..without all of the back and forth emotional mind#@&%.

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There is no YOUR side and MY side,....none of this even matters.Those are simple talking points,not the big picture.

How can we learn if we don't listen? Of course,I listened when B.O. was campaigning,but I guess I didn't listen close enough,or maybe I only heard what I wanted to hear-I'm disillussioned.

The truth is,I was glad when he won,but I was glad for the wrong reasons.I was still naive enough to believe that his winning was going to help bring our country closer together as a people.Help close the racial divides.

That is not a reason to bring in a president. I didn't vote,but if I had,I would have voted for him,and I would have been wrong.Doing nothing is just as wrong I suppose.

I just feel like I don't have any answers or solutions because I'm listening to lies and misinformation.It would be nice if everyone would point out their own thoughts,but without the lies.Because they won't,we have to make informed decisions based on misinformation and deciet even from our politicians-who do work for us.

Even if I didn't vote,they still work for me.

In a perfect world......




posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 10:20 PM
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Whether Congress and the Government are purposely trying to create chaos, riots, and revolt among Americans matters not whether it's on purpose or not.

But they are driving us toward chaos, riots, and revolt.

I don't know how many Timothy McVeighs's there are out there, but I know that there wasn't just one. One more Timothy McVeigh and we'll see a ****storm like we haven't seen since 1861.

And if anyone thinks mankind has become more "civilized" since then, then you're in for a real disappointment.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 10:37 PM
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Answer to your question,
they dont know what the're doing. IMO
That should be clear enough to most.
Especially after all the bipartisen bailouts and cash giveaways!
All while pushing us deeper in debt. Brilliant.
Maybe not....

New world 'odor' sniffed out, but still wafting along nicely......
Poor peeps.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 10:48 PM
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Obama is irrelevant, so is congress.

Want to know who runs the show? Here are a few names to look into: Goldman Sachs, the Federal Reserve, the Treasury, the Buiulderberg Group, the Council on Foreign Relations...and others.

Obama is a freaking sock-puppet and all this "conservative versus liberal" punch-and-judy-show garbage is just cheap entertainment for the masses while the bankers and military-industrial-complex players pick your pockets and chuckle all the way to the derivatives market. They honestly couldn't care less whether a democrat or a republican sits in office. And at this point, neither should you. WAKE UP!!!!!



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by gravitybender

Originally posted by xmotex
Fascist?


Look, you guys had eight years, and you ran this country into the ground.

Now we're supposed to blame all the damage on the guy who has been in office a few months?

Get real


Democrats had control of the House during that time. But we shouldn't blame them for letting Bush get away with what he did. After all he was one man and they couldn't stop him!!


The Dems didn't get the house till '06 buddy.
But either way, this was going to happen, America is so polarized right now it isn't even funny.

Mission Acomplished PTB.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 02:04 AM
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I like to read these “HOT” political threads without interfering but I got to step in to say I freaking agree with you on this.

Unfortunately, I personally think that these elites will have a lot to benefit from chaos, civil unrest, just showing the contrast between them and the people(the savages).



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 06:36 PM
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I haven't had a chance to check the news from throughout the day until just now.

These healthcare townhall meetings and Congressional speaking engagements are starting to turn violent and ugly.

We're in trouble folks.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:08 PM
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These healthcare townhall meetings and Congressional speaking engagements are starting to turn violent and ugly. We're in trouble folks.


I know.


Both sides calling the other side "Brown shirts" and everything else. Eventually I thought there would be some kind of "awakening"....but not like this. This isn't a real awakening IMO.

These are just people who are scared because they have no idea what is truly going on.

I wish things were different and I don't want to see this country go down this road.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by David9176I wish things were different and I don't want to see this country go down this road.



I completely agree! The way things are going, by this time next year, some cities will be burning, the infrastructure will be severely damaged and there will be no discussion on ATS because the electric power will only be on for a few hours.

It's a brave new world. God help us!



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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When congress does not pass obama's socialized health care bill what next? Does obama's presidency mean more to him then the Weople of this country?



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 11:11 PM
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No I blame them too, actually.

Despite their "man of the people" posture they're mostly a bunch of megalomaniacal ego strokers just like the GOP. When the chips come down they're certainly willing to cover their rich pals behinds, just like the GOP, even though they roll over on the average Joe, just like the GOP.

I am not some dedicated liberal Democrat - I just have a beef with the right in particular. But also one with political ideologies and parties in general.

I refuse to join either major party, they are way too entrenched in their power, both of them are coalitions of special interests. I don't even join any of the third parties, because I don't want to be hamstrung by some semi-religious ideological belief system. My belief system is simple: principle tempered with pragmatism. Identifying oneself with an ideology is like programming yourself as if you were a robot.

I used to be a hardcore Libertarian, but I left the party because I decided the whole Milton Friedman "pure free market" thing was bunk based on flawed assumptions about human nature - interestingly exactly the conclusion I came to about Marxism


I find myself defending Obama, but mostly it's from the "OMG he's worse than HITLER!" hysterical nonsense.

We have a lot of drama queens here


On the other hand, so far I am not hugely impressed with his performance as President.

He's taken a more practical, far less hegemonic approach on foreign policy.

On the other hand, his "transparency" has been notably selective.
He has taken the ball of executive privilege handed to him by Clinton and Bush and kept running - very disappointing.
He has promised relief for the common man and instead provided relief for badly run mega-corporations - also disappointing.

If he can get a health care plan passed that prevents what happened to me - losing your health insurance and getting sick - passed, I will forgive him a bit.

But even though I voted for him last November, because he offered by far the better course of the two likely candidates, he can't count on my vote in 2012, it depends on what he does until then primarily, and also who runs against him.

I'm not bitter or enraged, because it was always clear that Obama was a solidly establishment candidate. I didn't really expect a whole bucket of hope & change, I was willing to settle for a couple of minor course corrections and a couple fewer disastrous ideas.

So far the jury is still out IMO.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 11:14 PM
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Yeah, I am sorry, I had you pigeonholed as a particular ideological type, and it was an unfair assumption. I misunderstood your point and reacted with anger instead of reason.

My apologies, and please see my post above



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 12:22 AM
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Fascist?
Look, you guys had eight years, and you ran this country into the ground. Now we're supposed to blame all the damage on the guy who has been in office a few months?
Get real


Just so you will remember.:


The Obama Baseline 11/04/08


The inflation rate was 3.7%
Unemployment was 6.5%
The prime was at 4%
The Dow closed at 9,625
The NASDAQ closed at 1,780 The S&P closed at 1,005
Oil was $60 a barrel.



JFK was the only recent President I liked. Most of the rest were scum AND they were NOT working for the American people. Bush took up where Clinton left off and Obama is following in Clinton's and The 2 Bush's footsteps.

Take the blinders off and LOOK at the laws that have been passed and the bills on deck. There is no difference between the republicans and the democrats they both are working towards the same goal the complete destruction of the USA. There is Sovereignty Bankruptcy and that is what we are being driven towards NOT socialism. Once the USA is bankrupt the World Bank and IMF will rule this country and nobody gets to vote on anything.




SAP's often result in deep cuts in programmes like education social and health care, and the removal of subsidies designed to control the prices of basics such as food and milk. SAP's hurt the poor most...

Structural Adjustment Policies are economic policies which countries must follow in order to qualify for new World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF) loans and help them make debt repayments on the older debts owed to commercial banks, governments and the World Bank. Although SAPs are designed for individual countries but have common guiding principles and features which include export-led growth; privatisation and liberalisation; and the efficiency of the free market. Source


Is this what you want for the USA? The banks to tell us to strip away ALL social programs? This is why I am scared to death.

And Obama is right on track

Money - Doubled money supply in three months and with new T-bills the banks can issue $97 of fair dust for every $3 of T bills they buy. The US dollar has been trashed and the Chinese already know it. They are starting to dump T-bills and are calling for a different international trade currency. (The auction of those t-bills just flopped.) ATS

Food - Almost there. The bill to wipe out US farming has passed the house. The famine set up by Cargill VP during Clinton's watch is about to come home to roost. ATS

Employment - Without a manufacturing base there can be no sustained employment. We had LESS manufacturing jobs in 1996 than in 1970. Clinton's ratifying the World Trade Organization accelerated the shipping of US jobs overseas.

Education - the U.S. ranks 21st out of 29 of OECD countries in math




... Surveys of corporations consistently find that businesses are focused outside • the U.S. to recruit necessary talent. In a 2002 survey, 16 global corporations complained that American schools did not produce students with global skills. United States companies agreed. The survey found that 30 percent of large U.S. companies “believed they had failed to exploit fully their international business opportunities due to insufficient personnel with international skills.” One respondent to the survey even noted, “If I wanted to recruit people who are both technically skilled and culturally aware, I wouldn’t even waste time looking for them on U.S. college campuses.... In 2000, 28 percent of all freshmen entering a degree-granting institution required remedial coursework
Junk Food Diet



Energy - Without reasonable access to energy out industrial civilization will collapse. Cap and Trade, the Environmental Movement, and anti nuclear movement are attacks against our industrial base.

Military - Already in place with agreement from Canada to assist signed 2/14/2008

With the above to worry about, whether Obama is a black or a democrat, is a non-issue. Or it is a red herring to decoy attention away from what is important. Unfortunately from what I have seen here the decoy is working. People will be yelling racist and defending Obama because he is a black democrat, while Obama finishes destroying the USA. The Elite picked well.



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 12:28 AM
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It certaining seems that way!

Personally I think there is ALOT of effort being made to rile people up even more.

People need to not get caught up in mob mentality and jumping on the bandwagon behavior and start to really think outside the box here.




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