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Venezuela to buy Russian arms, tanks: Chavez

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posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 04:07 PM
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Venezuela to buy Russian arms, tanks: Chavez


www.breitbart.com

President Hugo Chavez said Venezuela would purchase dozens of Russian tanks, in a move signaling growing military ties between the two countries that have frequently clashed with Washington.
"It will be a major arms agreement to increase our defense capability," the Venezuelan leader told reporters, noting that he hoped to ink other agreements on agriculture, oil and mining during his visit to Moscow in mid-September.

Between 2005 and 2007, Moscow and Caracas signed 12 arms deals worth a t"Our army will continue to grow," vowed Chavez, who is leading a leftist surge in Latin America
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posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 04:07 PM
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Could Chavez invade Colombia to prevent any possible American forces being based in the country next to Venezuela? Could this be a major war in South America? What would the American response be if Chavez takes this kind of action? Will Obama do nothing since he has before said that he wants to work with America's enemies? With our forces stretched, Obama may do nothing and let it go and hope things calm down.

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posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 04:21 PM
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Star, and flag for the op. Very interesting topic with lots of history.

The US has had SouthCom operating out of Florida for over a year now. It's in control of the US 4th Fleet which is now deployed in the Caribbean Sea, and the Atlantic off the shores of South America.

In response to that Chavez, and other Latin leader's have been increasing their military arsenals.

The amount of information is incredible. The US has left some damning remarks in regards to the 4th Fleet's purpose. When created the Flag officer has had only black ops experience, and the stated mission parameters of the 4th Fleet were to have their boats in "latorals", and "boots dry"................ That means within eye site from shore, and basically covert operations inland. In other words hardcore sheeet.

The Russians have responded by a "mirror fleet" now in the Caribbean. I believe it is their "Northern Fleet".

A couple points to note are: Russia has been selling Venezuela state of the art fighter aircraft, and air defense systems; both supplied with Russian personal to operate said equipment. They were "sold" with the deal; as part of the package.

The other thing of importance is Cuba, and Venezuela have openly stationed Russian Topelov Long range nuclear bombers. They are stationed in Venezuela with a green light for fuel stops in Cuba need be.

Yes, with US military bases in Colombia the tensions are heating up.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 04:44 PM
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Go Chavez!

First; when was the last time any Latin American country invaded another one? How often is any country in any part of the world invading any other country besides the USA? In latin A i think it was Chile and Peru long long time ago and all over the world it is very very unusual, it happens yes but not so regularly.
Chavez, (and Iran and Korea and many others) NEEDS to show the USA they are at least able to deffend themselfs and cause some trouble for the american cowboys cruisades.
Sure Chavez helps Cuba and vvs..why not?! As Chavez helps Bolivia and other leftish latinamerican countrys. They should all start by not paying a single dollar more on debt until 100% of natural resourses belong to themselfes.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 11:09 PM
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LOL. So young.

The LAST time doesnt matter. Its what may be getting ready to happen.

In case you havent noticed times are changing in the modern world. The chances/probabilities of these events arent going down, but rather increasing. Just because "they havent invaded anyone" doesnt mean they arent getting ready to. There is a first for everything and the goal now is not to be surprised!



Originally posted by gusan
Go Chavez!

First; when was the last time any Latin American country invaded another one? How often is any country in any part of the world invading any other country besides the USA? In latin A i think it was Chile and Peru long long time ago and all over the world it is very very unusual, it happens yes but not so regularly.
Chavez, (and Iran and Korea and many others) NEEDS to show the USA they are at least able to deffend themselfs and cause some trouble for the american cowboys cruisades.
Sure Chavez helps Cuba and vvs..why not?! As Chavez helps Bolivia and other leftish latinamerican countrys. They should all start by not paying a single dollar more on debt until 100% of natural resourses belong to themselfes.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 12:48 AM
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That article... what a laugh.

The US is losing ground in its favourite little fiefdom of South America. Yet again the natives (well, the Spanish colonials mostly, but Chavez is, after all, a mestizo) are getting uppity again and Uncle Sam's getting upset that they're not doing exactly what he wants.

The article, for example, doesn't even mention the fact that the US tried to overthrow Chavez in 2002 and failed dismally because the country was loyal to him. There's also a little crack in the article about "alleged US interference" or some such. No, it's not "alleged", the evidence has been around for everyone to see. A pattern of US domination going back a hundred years is being broken. Let's hope it continues.

All people in the US ever hear about is how Chavez is a "dictator" and "anti-democratic". To external observers, the propaganda is so dismal it's laughable.

Of course the US buildup in Colombia is a sham. As we know, the US war on drugs is in reality a war on the competition. Certain parties (centred round the CIA) want to keep the drugs market to themselves. Building up arms in Colombia allows for more effective control of the market, and also acts as a threat to any regimes that don't want to bend over and grip a chair-back for Uncle.

I'm surprised Chavez thought that there would be any change under Obama. That seems to me naive, frankly.

HE poses a threat to the US because, a) he's actually using the country's oil resources to benefit the majority of people in his country. This is a dangerous idea and if it caught on it would weaken the US' ability to treat Central and South American countries as simply sources of natural resources for the US' insatiable corporations. There's also b), which is that Chavez, like Russia and Iran, wants to stop having to accept worthless US currency for their oil.

That was one of Saddam's sins, too: he made billions by trading his oil in Euros, a currency which doesn't devalue as soon as you buy it. But if, again, this idea caught on, there'd be no reason for anyone to buy dollars, hastening the collapse of the US economy.

Which, given that the US is like a cancer growth on the rest of the world, sucking in resources and weakening everyone else, has got to be a good thing in the long run.

And of course Chavez is buying arms from Russia. The US and UK would much prefer him to a) be a good boy and do what they say and b) buy arms from them... but not only would they not sell to Chavez, it wouldn't be sensible for him to buy arms from an enemy who could cut off the flow of spares or possibly disable the weapons as happened with the Exocets during the Falklands War.

The funny thing is, the US can't quite play its old tricks. In the good old Cold War days, if a regime got in that might be troublesome for the US, they'd basically try destabilising it. If it didn't quite work, the target country would invariably gravitate to the only other major power that might help them stick up for themselves against the regional bully, which was Russia. This would allow the US to play the "communism in our hemisphere! Red alert! We must stamp it out!" card.

But the Russians aren't communists any more. They're gangster oligarchs just like the US but if anything perhaps even a little wilder. So there aren't any ideological reasons you can sell people to disguise what was always straight economics.

So now you have to sell the "war on drugs" and the Total War Against Terra to disguise the overall South American aganda. It's propaganda so hypocritical and crude it's visible to... well, to anyone outside the US, basically.

I doubt Chavez'll be stupid enough to be tricked into invading Colombia. But he'll make it as costly as possible for Uncle Sam to interfere in his country again.

Good for him.



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