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Topic started on 6-8-2009 @ 02:50 PM by ChemBreather
I'm sure some of you people here at ATS has seen this before, but like the Denver air port, this just cant be a 'nice outlay' of an memorial site..
It just ooz'es Masonic symbols every where, and to say NO that is wrong, do not know what Masonic symbols look like !! imho....

Sinister Sites – National Memorial and Arboretum, U.K.

'' Jul 24th, 2009
Police and military memorials are probably the most occult monuments you can find. Considered to be the largest Memorial built since WWII, the National Memorial in Staffordshire, U.K. is totally built on Masonic and Illuminati principles. Does this structure commemorate fallen soldiers or does it celebrate their ritual sacrifice? The symbols say it all. ''



Memorials dedicated to the fallen are a place to reflect, to pay respects and to pray. They carry an important meaning for the friends and families of the victims as well as for the rest of their countrymen. The symbolism of the place conveys however a double message – one that applies to the common people and another one that applies to the elite. When one goes beyond the face value of this structure and analyzes the symbolic origin of the monuments, one can understand the thoroughly elitist philosophy behind the Memorial. The architecture, the choice of monuments and the symbols present at the National Memorial are directly taken from Masonic and Illuminati principles. What do these symbols have to do with the soldiers and the other victims being honored at this Memorial, except for the fact they represent their hidden rulers, those who plot wars and political crises? Those who have researched the secret aims of the elite, their plans for a New World Order and their obsession for a massive depopulation the Earth will see in this Memorial a troubling message. Prince Philip (Prince Charles father) infamously said:

“In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.”
-Prince Philip


The elite are into eugenics, planned parenthood and other (more extreme) ways to reduce the world population. It is important to understand the state of mind of those people and the way they are reasoning before analyzing their symbols. Other researchers who have studied occult memorials have concluded that these structures actually celebrate the ritual sacrifice of these people for the elite, the “illuminated”. The presence of ancient pagan symbols such as phallic and yonic shapes, mixed with emblems of western occultism are very recognizable signatures of Illuminati architecture. When one is aware of the culture of death that is cultivated in the higher level of the occult orders, one sees the real meaning of the National Memorial. It is saying: “These people died to serve our interests.”


General Structure

The main complex features the most commonly found occult symbol around the world: the obelisk. This ancient Egyptian phallic symbol is now used as the ultimate representation of the elite’s power. It is placed at the top of the circle formed by the Memorial’s walls. This circle represents the female principle (the womb) and, combined with the obelisk, it represents the sexual act - the union of the masculine and feminine principle. This combination of a phallic and yonic symbols is an unmistakable trademark of Illuminati monuments. Another example of this juxtaposition is the Washington Monument (obelisk) being at the center of circle and a vesica piscis.
~ Snip ~


Masonic SymbolismOnce again, why is the Memorial dedicated to Rescue Services, a public service, permeated with Masonic symbolism?


Dead baby sculptureVisitors are once again confronted to a vulnerable and innocent dead being, facing them with the inevitability of their own mortality. Is this face-to-face with a dead baby really necessary? Some might say “It shocks you to make you aware of the situation“. What situation? There’s nothing everyday people can do to prevent those deaths. This is devaluation of human life and this just fits the “culture of death” theme of the National Memorial.


This is in Memory of fallen people doing their duty, and get something that looks like a 'ritual site' for the Freemasons... Nice disign and all that, but one could hope for a more joyful one !


reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 03:25 PM by ChemBreather
reply to post by Tetragrammaton



It shows masonic symbols and what they look like, if you see down on the bottom, there are lots of small gray symbols...


reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 03:31 PM by Animal
first off, as a trained landscape architect i take issue with the notion that a memorial to the fallen dead should be 'joyful'. that simply makes no sense what so ever. those who go to such memorials are going to reflect on the greatest sacrifice a human can make not to have a 'joyful' time. it is my opinion that a well designed memorial would be designed in a manner that evokes a range of sensory responses that are inline with reflecting on this sacrifice. emotions such as introspection, reverence and remorse. as the text you provided states:
Memorials dedicated to the fallen are a place to reflect, to pay respects and to pray. They carry an important meaning for the friends and families of the victims as well as for the rest of their countrymen.


secondly, i also take issue with the notion that the symbols seen in this design are the property of the 'elite' whom you, in some cases rightfully so, vilify. As 'Tet' mentioned before me some of what i see is based on sacred geometry and others on symbols of human enlightenment and evolution. while these symbols may be employed by the 'elite' they are also employed by those seeking enlightenment and the betterment of humanity as a whole.

also as a landscape architect i question how much influence that 'elite' actually had in the development of the memorial. sch work is generally the creation of the designers employed to develop it and not those who commission it. as landscape architects (a LA most likely is responsible for this) we are trained in the history and meaning of forms such as these and employ them in a diversity of ways and locations.

while i can see the issues you are trying to raise i question the validity, to an extent, of the critique you are making of this site, and many others just like it.

[edit on 6-8-2009 by Animal]


reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 04:03 PM by ChemBreather
reply to post by Animal



I wasnt critisizing or saying it should be a place for a party.
I thought people would be interested to read about it and see the pictures etc.

Instead you'll flame me for the design of the thing, I didnt make the website, I brought it as I sayd, to your attention, maybe people find it interesting.

I cant figure out why symbols put there by the 'elite' cant be interpreted as 'masonic symbolism' when the 'elite' mostly are these mason/illuminti people..?

Ats is full arguers today ...


reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 04:12 PM by Animal
Originally posted by ChemBreather
reply to
post by Animal



I wasnt critisizing or saying it should be a place for a party.
you did say "more joyful" that i had to call out, sorry.


I thought people would be interested to read about it and see the pictures etc.

Instead you'll flame me for the design of the thing, I didnt make the website, I brought it as I sayd, to your attention, maybe people find it interesting.


I am not flaming you mate, unless disagreement is now = flaming. I am sorry if you felt attacked I was merely sharing my differing opinion. I will look over my post and see where I can change the way I say things so that in the future you, or anyone else will not feel assaulted by my words, my apologies.


I cant figure out why symbols put there by the 'elite' cant be interpreted as 'masonic symbolism' when the 'elite' mostly are these mason/illuminti people..?


This is still question. it is possible the 'elite' did tell the design firm what symbols to use though this is pretty uncommon. I also am not telling you how to interpret these symbols,call them what you like, I was merely pointing out that it IS merely a matter of perspective.


Ats is full arguers today ...


What? Please, don't insult me because i disagree with you, that does no one any good.



reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 04:31 PM by Animal
as an example of what i am talking about lets look at the obelisk it origins and meanings.


The obelisk, called TEJEN in the sacred language of the ancient
Egyptians, was a term which was synonymous with "protection" or "defense." The needle of stone had the function of perforating the clouds and dispersing negative forces that always threaten to accumulate, in the form of visible storms
or invisible ones, and was placed over the temple as a symbol of a petrified ray.
link

Because of the Enlightenment-era association of Egypt with mortuary arts, (and generally with great antiquity), obelisks became associated with timelessness and memorialization.

There are many smaller obelisks or similar forms to be found in European and American cemeteries.
link

It is no surprise that in western cultures so influenced by Christianity that these symbols have taken on a negative connotation.

The ancient obelisk was a monumental pillar made of stone and was a major symbol of sun worship of the god ra in ancient Egypt.

The Lord referred to them as idols of jealousy and swore that He would destroy the obelisks of Heliopolis and "overthrow idolatry." The above image is from Heliopolis which was the Greek name of the Hebrew Beth-shemesh. It was erected by Senwosret I of Egypt, 2000 BC. Ancient Heliopolis was located 8 miles northeast of modern Cairo and was world famous as the Egyptian city of science.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God"
- Exodus 20:3-5
"He shall break also the images of Bethshemesh, that is in the land of Egypt; and the houses of the gods of the Egyptians shall he burn with fire."
- Jeremiah 43:13

"And they shall know that I am the LORD, when I have set a fire in Egypt, and when all her helpers shall be destroyed."
- Ezekiel 30:8
link

All symbols have a range of meanings associated to them depending on the lens through which they are viewed. To many the obelisk is a positive symbol, to others a negative symbol. However to ascribe any one of these images as the true image is a logical fallacy, or mistake.

So yes, the critique you provided us of the symbols in the memorial in question could very well hold truth but it also could just be a case of mistaken symbol identity.

More importantly, symbols generate their power through our perception of them and through the energy we feed them as a collective unconscious, imho. Therefore the appropriate response to such imagery is to deny it it's negative connotations and to place upon it more positive vibrations.

[edit on 6-8-2009 by Animal]


reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 04:42 PM by ladysharrowandherbarrow
My views are a little different than your OP about sacred geometry and the Masons , but that is not relevant here.
. however

As an artist I think the baby sculpture is a beautiful work after reading this thread i thought i would look for some truths regarding said sculpture..
here goes...

The sculpture is in the sands memorial garden... the background of this garden can be found here

garden

Alison and Jon Stokes' son Jack was stillborn on 7th March 1998. Since Jon works for the Tree Council, they naturally thought of planting a tree but they also wanted to see if there might be something else they could contribute.

"In hospital during the worst three days of our life together, we began to think about ways in which we could celebrate our son's brief existence"


so the sculpture was to celebrate life ..

The baby sculpture was created by the Classical sculptor John Roberts whom it seems has passed over

www.timesonline.co.uk...

A quiet, gentle man whose twin passions were religion and classical sculpture, John Roberts enjoyed three concurrent and interweaving careers.


Also in 2000, Roberts produced a statue of a stillborn baby, carved from Portland stone, for the Stillbirth and Neonatal Death Society’s garden at the National Memorial Arboretum in Lichfield. The society’s director, Neal Long, remembers its impact: “There was a general gasp when it was unveiled, and you could see that parents present were identifying it with their own babies.” Another commission from the society followed — for a sculpture of a baby nestling in a huge hand — and Roberts worked on this piece, in Sheen Cemetery, while already desperately ill.



John Roberts, sculptor, was born in Neath, Glamorgan, on March 18, 1946. He died of cancer at West Dean, East Sussex, on November 1, 2002, aged 56



so the sculpture was created to celebrate life by a man it seems of high morals.. and what beauty he created.


reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 06:00 PM by Tetragrammaton
@ Chembreather
No one is flaming you mate; we are expressing a difference of opinion.

@ Animal
I thought the obelisk symbolized a phallus… Osiris’s Phallus to be exact… (The Egyptian ones at least)

I came across something very interesting (OP please bear with me, I do not mean to derail your thread) I was making some research on resonance, frequency etc. and came across something called cymatics. I knew what this was; I just didn’t know the name of it… Anyways, it would seem that it the symbolic value isn’t what we perceive it to be. (i.e. in response to your claim) so it doesn’t matter if I perceive that the inverted star is evil or not, because the symbol has a resonance a frequency if you will. And no matter how much I focus on it being evil or good; won’t change a thing. The symbol will still be the symbol, and still have the original meaning.
This is because everything vibrates, everything has a frequency, and that frequency is manifested in the symbol.

So what does sacred geometry teach us?
Well first of it teach us the platonic solids, phi, golden mean, semen/seed/flower of life etc. the obvious stuff.
Then we move on to the more complex structures and symbols, like the fruit of life, tree of life, Metraton’s cube etc.
With the fruit of life we are able to create EVERY shape and form in the known universe, it contains all of the platonic solids etc. And is in effect a perfect and direct symbol of how our universe and reality is made.
Next up the ladder we get the Fibonacci sequence, prime numbers, fractals, imaginary numbers etc.

So I would speculate that sacred geometry is the blueprint of our universe and everything in it.

Now if we use this knowledge; what is an obelisk then?
Is it a 3-D interpretation of a 2-D symbol? (or is it just a 3 dimensional version of tetrahedrons and hexahedrons?)

We have the tetrahedron on the top.
We then have another tetrahedron, below it, but without the capstone, or you could say that the first tetrahedron is the cap stone.
The next parts are simple and are just a couple 3-4-5 etc. hexahedrons placed on top of each other.
Also a noteworthy thing; the proportions of an obelisk (at least the Egyptian ones are directly related to where it’s placed, and the correlation and placement of the sun and the planets in our solar system)
I would speculate that the people erecting the modern obelisks know this and take this into account when raising them)


reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 07:25 PM by AugustusMasonicus
reply to post by ChemBreather



I do not see anything Masonic about the memorial site, perhaps if there was a Square and Compasses or two pillars with globes affixed to their capitals representing the Earth and Heavens.

Otherwise it appears to be a tasteful and solemn memorial to brave individuals who died in defence of their homeland.






[edit on 6-8-2009 by AugustusMasonicus]


reply posted on 6-8-2009 @ 10:27 PM by JoshNorton
Originally posted by ChemBreather
reply to
post by Tetragrammaton



It shows masonic symbols and what they look like, if you see down on the bottom, there are lots of small gray symbols...
But I don't see any of those small gray symbols in any of the images of the memorial, so I still don't get why you included that image???


reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 09:36 AM by ChemBreather
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Originally posted by ChemBreather
reply to
post by Tetragrammaton



It shows masonic symbols and what they look like, if you see down on the bottom, there are lots of small gray symbols...
But I don't see any of those small gray symbols in any of the images of the memorial, so I still don't get why you included that image???


dont understand why you keep staring eachother and asking me about the darn site..

here is the email to the web master , ask him.. not me that made the web site ..

email form here ..

I just picked out random photos from the site with their text to the pictures.. I never been there , so I must take it as the pictures are from there..

if you agree with that fact that memorials should have freemason designs is your business..



reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 09:43 AM by JoshNorton
reply to post by ChemBreather



Oh. So you don't know anything and have no opinions of your own. Good to know. Waste of time. Mods? Lock thread, please.


reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 12:59 PM by ChemBreather
reply to post by Animal




I am not flaming you mate, unless disagreement is now = flaming. I am sorry if you felt attacked I was merely sharing my differing opinion. I will look over my post and see where I can change the way I say things so that in the future you, or anyone else will not feel assaulted by my words, my apologies.


What do you call it ? Why dont you attack the one making the web site ?
Your just messing with my threads..

As I sayd, I have never been there, and I thought it would be interesting for you others to see it , but , rather you keep asking me why the web master posted surten pictures .. I dont get it !!
As I said, feels like you just out for CB, nothing more ..

see your all staring eachother, only to make my post seem dumb, and people will not read it, mission acomplished...Now go ruin other threads, and Im gonna post Sinister sites till your fingers bleed...

[edit on 7/8/2009 by ChemBreather]


reply posted on 7-8-2009 @ 01:30 PM by ChemBreather
Originally posted by JoshNorton
reply to
post by ChemBreather



Oh. So you don't know anything and have no opinions of your own. Good to know. Waste of time. Mods? Lock thread, please.


What does that have to do with any thing ??
My oppinion : Dont have Masonic icons on memorials ...
Simple, They start the wars these people gets killed in, and they are 'NICE' and build an memorium with Their Logos on it .. ??

Not fine, but you like it ..
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