2008 - U.S.A.'s Last Presidential Election

I have this scary thought that before 2012 martial law will have been declared and elections suspended. Obama will become the U.S.own version of Castro.

Obama looks like a dictator in the making. Even my 91 year old mother told me that she was ashamed to have a socialist as president.

Man, if you don't see if coming you are never going to know what hit you.

I'd like to hear how you guys see this playing out.

Moderators - I wasn't sure where to post this so feel free to move.



[edit on 8/6/2009 by sad_eyed_lady]

Bush was supposed to be the last president before Obama.

A dictator i.e. no more presidential elections will GUARANTEE a revolution; it will be far easier for tptb to just keep shamming elections with loaded ballots and questionably unregulated electronic voting machines. Otherwise they will lose the power they hold.

Jeeeezuz H!
We suffered through eight years of this under Bush.
Dire predictions of dictatorship and Martial Law.
We had the election as usual in 08.
Don't mean to be nit picky but who cares that you have a feeling? Isn't something a bit more sustantial required tha a feeling?
I get that most people here are under 30, you need to get some perspective. Read some history. Learn how politics and money and power work.
Lately much of what I see here is simplistic knee jerk fear mongering. Obama is gonna get us! PLEASE! Can we dispense with the faddish, jump on the bandwagon conspiracy of the day AND GET SOME REAL THINKING GOING ON HERE?
Let's deny ignorance.

Thank you eNumbra and OldDragger for sharing.

IMO we are in uncharted waters here. I am not trying to promote fear-mongering. I am only trying to prepare myself for an uncertain future. I don't want to wait until my plate is dished out before I know what has been cooked for me to eat.

I don't think Obama will get re-elected at the rate he is going. He won't take losing the throne easily. I think he will see that coming. The promise of only a temporary suspension of elections may fool the masses.

The question is how are they going to pull in off in such a manner that the masses are duped or broken before they revolt.

I think TPTB like his ideology and will promote him as leader of the first world empire.,

Things are always more complicated than they appear on the surface.

Same story different president. This is what happens when paranoids post online...

It just keeps going. Bush was supposed to do the FEMA camps too...ugh, it never ends.

I would not focus on 2012 so much it may be sooner then you are excepting.

Not to make fun of the OP, but what kills me is so many here like to imagine themselves on some sort of cutting edge, having knowledge that others don't, yet rehash the same stuff I heard 40 years ago!
Could it be that some people that think they are on the inside are the most distracted of all? Is it true there is nothing new under the sun?
Maybe some folks her need to run mental updates. Be sure to restart your brains after updating folks! Try harder!

It will never happen. There's far to many armed patriots that will protect all of what America is/was when push comes to shove. We're beginning to see the tip of the iceberg with people really starting to come awake with this healhcare issue. No sitting president in our lifetime will ever be able to declare dictatorship over the USA.

To keep things is perspective, Michigan alone has just as many registered gun owners as we have soliders serving in all the armed forces combined.

So... let’s get this straight, you think Obama will suspend the elections and become a U.S. version of Castro, because he looks like a dictator to you; and your grandmother (in her 90's) believes he is socialists, which makes her ashamed. You further opine, that you think he will preemptively declare martial law and suspend elections because he knows he will lose the 2012 election, and also because TPTB want to set him up as world emperor .
Wow, looks like some heavy thought has gone into this post. You certainly don’t seem to be into fear mongering at all. All of these hypotheses are completely justifiable and verified by ... what exactly?
This is what is wrong with the anti-Obama movement. They present no basis for their fears other than fear itself. The reasoning seems to be “the Democrats are all socialists commie pinkos who want to destroy American values and roll a joint with the constitution, Obama is a Democrat, therefore he must be _____ you fill in the blank (evil, the anti-Christ, a Kenyan, a socialist, a terrorists, a Muslim)
Do you even know what true Socialism is? Do you know that medicare and medicaid are forms of socialized medicine? So are my VA benefits which allow me to access health care as a Veteran which I could not otherwise afford because I am self employed. Do you know that Castro is a Communist?
What is it about Liberals that make you so afraid that you honestly fear that they want to take you freedoms away, while Neo-cons hide behind the flag you wave so proudly while quietly stripping the citizens of their civil liberties and wiping their ***es with the Constitution?
I have no reason to choose sides in this, I’m a life long Republican from a Conservative Red State, raised by a middle class white family. I served in the Navy for 8 years and put myself through college and Law School on the GI Bill and Gov’t Loans. But when I first read of the 911 conspiracies it pissed me off, I said “no way our Gov’t could have had anything to do with that”! Then I researched the theories and became intrigued. I still don’t KNOW what happened, but it made me watch things more closely– on both sides. And I can tell you that I am ashamed of my fellow conservatives for becoming sore losers. Childish, and obsessive, it seems rather than find out what he truly represents, or who the true PTB are that are pulling his strings, it is easier to scream from the rooftops that he is a socialist, or not eligible for office. These things are simply not true. There is likely a reason to fear Obama, just as there was to fear Bush and Clinton before him, but please, for the love of God, give me something to research besides your feelings and your grandmother's fears.

[edit on 6-8-2009 by Artephius Abraxas Helios]

i see more like - the government will run out of money, and the military will side with the people over them. this could very well happen in 2010, 2011 or 2012.

reply to post by Donnie Darko


Thank you Donnie D., Tyr Song, Ophiuchus 13 and
MarshMallow_Snake. This is exactly the sort of response I was hoping to see. Doesn't everybody have some thoughts on the direction they think we are headed?

I am no psychic or prophet. I don't think I claimed to have any almighty insight.

I just threw my ideas out there as I was hoping someone else would. I am just just an average jane who sees danger signs and am trying to interpret their meaning. To quote my original post. "I'd like to hear how you guys see this playing out. "

When I suggested that Obama was becoming our Castro my thoughts we running in the direction of a regime state, not in terms of his ideology.

Hope to God my gut feeling is wrong and that in 2012 you can say :"I told you so." If I'm right I won't have the opportunity to tell you so.

I take offense to being called paranoid. As a person with a mental illness (BiPolar Affective Disorder) I know how it feels to be thought inferior for having a mental illness. I know my my diagnosis and it is not paranoid. so you can say I'm crazy if you want. Personally, I think bashing people for their mental illnesses is dirty pool.



[edit on 8/6/2009 by sad_eyed_lady]

OK, well...in some aspect, I agree with you. Things are not going well for us right now. However, I hope with all my heart, that the doom & gloom that a lot of people post on is not true. Does it look good for us? No...do I think that we are headed for dictatorship? No. I would tend to agree more with the collapse of the government due to badly run economics.

I take offense to being called paranoid. As a person with a mental illness (BiPolar Affective Disorder) I know how it feels to be thought inferior for having a mental illness. I know my my diagnosis and it is not paranoid. so you can say I'm crazy if you want. Personally, I think bashing people for their mental illnesses is dirty pool.


[edit on 8/6/2009 by sad_eyed_lady]

Sorry for the paranoia comment. It is obviously not an attack on your mental illness. Seeing that I do not know you, how could I have assumed that you were mentally ill? I was more pointing out that fact that people are posting some, almost, absurd things about the government and where we are headed. I say almost absurd because sometimes it looks like we are headed for anything.

Anyway, again, sorry for any offense that you took. It was not my intention to single you out.

reply to post by MarshMallow_Snake


Thank you for saying that. I guess I am a little sensitive. It comes with the territory.

I think you are probably right about the economy being the problem. Guess we should recognize that rebirth can come from out of the ashes.

BTW your avatar reminds me of my U.S.Senators.


[edit on 8/6/2009 by sad_eyed_lady]

Last election, are you kidding?

And give up latest past time of dividing the nation.

Seriously, there will be a 2012 election. The candidates to be are gearing up for it already.

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
I have this scary thought that before 2012 martial law will have been declared and elections suspended. Obama will become the U.S.own version of Castro.

Obama looks like a dictator in the making. Even my 91 year old mother told me that she was ashamed to have a socialist as president.

Man, if you don't see if coming you are never going to know what hit you.

I'd like to hear how you guys see this playing out.

Moderators - I wasn't sure where to post this so feel free to move.



[edit on 8/6/2009 by sad_eyed_lady]

Do you mean your 91 year old mother who has depended on socialized medicine the last 26 years? Does she even know that Medicare is socialized medicine? If not, it is because it is run through private health insurance companies just as any proposed goverment option will be.

reply to post by jam321


Thanks for the positive outlook there. I think

You know maybe TPTB don't have their # together any more than the rest of us do.

reply to post by sligtlyskeptical


Anything can be taken to extremes. Should the government be running the auto and banking industries?

Here is something I posted to my blog in late January early February of this year. It was right around this time that I started noticing a massive uptick in Obama conspiracy threads. It’s a bit wordy, but you might find it somewhat interesting.

Wednesday, January 28, 2009

It's the end of the world as we know it: Part I

So I like to keep up with offbeat news, you know conspiracy theories, aliens and Bigfoot kind of stuff. I’m fascinated by how they’re started, how they’re perpetuated and by those who don’t just believe them, but actually treat them like a religion. For them facts, common sense and Occam’s Razor mean nothing. Instead, it’s all about faith.

There are two big areas being mined for conspiracy theories these days: the approach of the year 2012, when many people believe the Mayan calendar (www.usatoday.com...) predicts the world will end; and the election of President Barak Obama, who many people believe is the pawn of a secret group of world leaders often referred to as the New World Order.
(en.wikipedia.org...(conspiracy_theory))

The 2012 theory varies from conspiracy to conspiracy. Some see the end of the Mayan calendar, which is in and of itself debatable (en.wikipedia.org...) as the Catholic Apocalypse. Others see a catastrophic event like a meteor hitting the earth, and some believe that it won’t be just a meteor but an entire planet (answers.yahoo.com...) colliding with us. It is said that astronomers are either silenced by the government or they can’t see the meteor/planet because it is behind our sun.

Conspiracy’s concerning President Obama revolve mostly around him being a pawn of the NWO and using his cult of personality to create a totalitarian state in much the same way Hitler did in Nazi Germany. Apparently with Obama in power, citizens will be stripped of their right to bear arms (thestateofamerica.wordpress.com...), a civilian police force will be created (forums.hsn.com...), martial law will be declared and our evil alien overlords will be allowed to feast on us like cattle. (blogs.chron.com...)

Okay, that last part is a bit of a joke…or is it?

Mr. David Icke (en.wikipedia.org...) a one time footballer now rabid conspiracy theorist, believes that many of the world’s leaders, including Britain ’s late Queen Mother and George Bush are actually Reptoids. For those not in the know, Reptoids are reptilian beings from another galaxy that eat human flesh. On the subject of Icke, he’s sure that Obama and his “controllers” are pulling a fast one (www.davidicke.com...) over on the world and that we’ll be goose-stepping and having our brains eaten by our Reptoid masters even before the 2012 comet reduces us to space dust.

Icke isn’t the only one convinced were heading towards certain doom. Well known warrior against the New World Order, Alex Jones (en.wikipedia.org...(radio)) is so sure he’s releasing a movie (www.youtube.com...) on the coming Obama nightmare. His thoughts mirror Icke’s, minus the carnivorous Reptoids, and end with rebellious citizens being imprisoned in concentration camps (www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...) in Colorado. According to Jones, the children of our country are already being indoctrinated in ways (www.prisonplanet.com...) similar to the Nazi youth movement.

Facts, theories and logic aside I’m left with two questions: “towards what end? and “why now?”

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
reply to post by MarshMallow_Snake

 

Thank you for saying that. I guess I am a little sensitive. It comes with the territory.

I think you are probably right about the economy being the problem. Guess we should recognize that rebirth can come from out of the ashes.

BTW your avatar reminds me of my U.S.Senators.


[edit on 8/6/2009 by sad_eyed_lady]

That is my dog...sometimes he is just as vicious