Don't play that game with me Shugo, I'm well trained. You have the detail in YOUR hand, we do not, that is my point. If the log is from another site then why don't you post the link for the rest of us to see. I'm not saying this person didn't see something interesting, but to be perfectly honest not every sonic boom from aircraft can't be seen or every strange looking contrail can't be associated to one single plane.

On a side note, soes anyone know the timeline from when the SR-71 went into operational status to when it was released to the public?

intensity, obviously you do want to attempt to play the big bad wolf... so I'll let you, but denying hard evidence shows ignorance. Please don't post again unless you have something productive to say. No you don't know how I operate either.

As Nerdling would say, "that's the problem with the internet, to many think they're god damned experts."

[Edited on 12-5-2004 by Shugo]

No the problem with the internet is that anybody can pretend to be a tough guy. All I'm trying to be here is objective, your just being a little too cryptic and a little too defensive. Let's just calm down. Ok so you have information that you obvsiously can't post, that's fine. Lots of planes are supersonic these days. My guess is that what was seen was some modern day spin off of the D-21 drone. Take the design, modernize it with landing gear, mid-air refueling capability, and you actually have a pretty cheap high speed platform.

Anybody know how fast that drone could go?

Originally posted by intensity
No the problem with the internet is that anybody can pretend to be a tough guy.

Ain't it the truth.

OK... I can post this here so I will... and intensity, I sent this to you via U2U, but you can read it here too...

Originally posted by Shugo
I would like to make a brief note here:

It seems I looked up Stations report on another site, and also found it here. It is claimed by him to be a D-21 Drone. However, I have strong doubts to this as the D-21 drones are no longer flown, at least in the 2002 World Aircraft Databases.

The craft was in the shape of a spade not traveling at very high speed. According to him, did not make much noise if made at all.

I am looking more into the D-21 and comparison with all of the Aurora sightings to the D-21 and uncover whether or not this sighting is classified real or fake. More details on this case as they become available.

Anybody know how fast that drone could go?

Don't forget how loud too. I think it could be something...then again maybe not. I do agree we need to keep our objectivity and ASK MORE QUESTIONS not get overly defensive. With that said I doubt its the Aurora but thats just my opinion. I don't think it was a drone either but then again thats just my uninformed opinion. We should keep this topic open and rational and maybe we might get to the truth.

Well, I agree this shouldn't get thrown into the pit of UFO or Aurora or something similar pit... but, I don't think it's needed to get jumping to conclusions that it was in fact a drone. Just like one shouldn't be jumping to conclusions that it was Aurora.

A possibility to consider is that Lockheed is using the D-21 as a test platform for advanced UAV flight systems, ones that can be used real time at high speeds, which is actually a large technical feat. This type of project could be carried out at Edwards and not at Groom Lake.

Originally posted by intensity
A possibility to consider is that Lockheed is using the D-21 as a test platform for advanced UAV flight systems, ones that can be used real time at high speeds, which is actually a large technical feat. This type of project could be carried out at Edwards and not at Groom Lake.

Another possibility open is that it was an XR-7 Thunderdart. It's a drone, technically though it's refered as a fighter/attack version of Aurora... I've heard that term used numerous times, don't rule that out.

Shugo, if you have a "special log of information", post it. Otherwise you're simply wasting our time.

Bragging about this supposed list isn't helping anything. If you have information, share it here or stop arguing with the other members.

Originally posted by intensity
Don't play that game with me Shugo, I'm well trained. You have the detail in YOUR hand, we do not, that is my point. If the log is from another site then why don't you post the link for the rest of us to see.

Exactly.

Shugo, you're supposed to be gathering Aurora sighting information as part of the reserach project here on ATS. What do you have to show for it?

Lay off... I was specifically told NOT to post any of that information for purposes of privacy.

Therefore, none of you have a right to judge me.

This sighting went into that post, and nothing more about this specific case will.

CASE CLOSED!

[Edited on 12-5-2004 by Shugo]

Originally posted by Shugo
Lay off... I was specifically told NOT to post any of that information for purposes of privacy.

By whom? Either you've got something or you don't.

QUOTE:
Could this be the Aurora? IF it's something else, I'd like to know


could it be a two seat SAAB DRAKEN ?

i know some are in the USA and flying.

Another possibility is that is a range drone, so that our fighter pilots actually get to blow stuff up. It occured to me that might be it because I remember seen drones that look like that, with a spike in front of the inlet on a plane that is pretty much just a engine with wings.

Sorry I'm so skeptical, I just find it hard to believe that they would fly a secret plane over a highway in the daylight. I know in Nevada, they have lanes of land and airspace that are off limits so that planes can get back to Groom Lake without being seen.

Originally posted by Amet Khan

Originally posted by intensity
Don't play that game with me Shugo, I'm well trained. You have the detail in YOUR hand, we do not, that is my point. If the log is from another site then why don't you post the link for the rest of us to see.

Exactly.

Shugo, you're supposed to be gathering Aurora sighting information as part of the reserach project here on ATS. What do you have to show for it?

Don't you ever, EVER... put off ANY of my work again. EVER if you are my boss, then you can, otherwise SHUT UP.

[Edited on 17-5-2004 by Shugo]

BTW the exact price the USAF pays for a Q-F4 PHANTOM
drone is 725.000 $ !!

add another 10.000 $ if you like to have it another sprayjob in your favorite colours.

to be collected at A.M.A.R.C. davis monthan afb arizona by the client

[Edited on 17-5-2004 by NOGODSINTHEUNIVERSE]

I have a special log here of information from a source off of ATS... Station did infact whitness some supersonic plane. I have all of the logs right here in front of me as a matter in fact. So don't try to prove otherwise

I think it was a valid request to see these logs - if you cant post any of their details them you shouldnt of brought them up.

Why so defensive - it wasnt attempt to discredit you it was a request us to see your evidence - much the same way as if someone said they had aurora pics but refused to post them.

Shugo said one report was sensitive, because the person who reported was worried about privacy. That may be true, or perhaps Shugo was just thumping his chest. It doesn't matter.

The aircraft sighted in this thread was probably either a Saab Draken or some kind of classified drone. Either way, they are the sort of thing one might expect to see near Edwards AFB.

Originally posted by Amet Khan
Shugo said one report was sensitive, because the person who reported was worried about privacy.

Thank you for understanding Amet.

The aircraft sighted in this thread was probably either a Saab Draken or some kind of classified drone. Either way, they are the sort of thing one might expect to see near Edwards AFB.

Well, I wouldn't think Draken's would be flying near A51 if anywhere. More likely the Eastern US I'd think. D-21? Possibly could have been as such. Actually I support that idea a lot.