Originally posted by chiron613
You should become suspicious any time you see something like "no consumable resources", because that is almost 100% certainly a crock.
Generally I agree but I've seen a device run with no consumable resources, it's a clock my dad got after 25 years with his employer to thank him for
the long service.
The clock runs perpetually with no obvious power input. But it's not a perpetual motion machine according to the laws of physics, though it looks
like one, for practical purposes it seems like it.
It's something like this one:
Atmos is the brand name of a mechanical clock manufactured by Jaeger-LeCoultre in Switzerland which doesn't need to be wound. It gets the energy
it needs to run from small temperature changes and atmospheric pressure changes in the environment, and can run for years without human
Indirectly the power source is the sun, but the clock can run indoors just fine without ever being exposed to the sun so that's why it appears to be
a perpetual motion machine.
When you look at the way it works though, you couldn't generate much power this way:
Its power source is a hermetically sealed capsule containing a mixture of gas and liquid ethyl chloride, which expands into an expansion chamber
as the temperature rises, compressing a spiral spring; with a fall in temperature the gas condenses and the spring slackens. This motion constantly
winds the mainspring. A temperature variation of only one degree in the range between 15 and 30 degrees Celsius, or a pressure variation of 3 mmHg, is
sufficient for two days' operation.
So that clock will pretty much run as long as the sun is still heating the Earth, or until it has a mechanical failure.
DreamerOracle, regarding the hummingbird motor, yes it's a scam.
That video is pretty sad, for most of it the guy seems like a kid playing with magnets for the first time going "ooooh, aahhh look at that!" Finally
he shows a generator at the very end. While I've never seen one of his generators except in the video, I believe he possibly CAN get more output than
input as he claims, but only for a short time. Why?
His claim that the energy stored in the permanent magnets is "unlimited" is false. As long as you don't try to do too much work with the magnets
they might seem to a casual observer like they don't lose their magnetism. But try to extract energy from them in a generator and you'll find out
that they can lose some of their magnetism, that's why you can get more power out than in briefly. But once the magnets get weaker, you're done,
that's it. That's why it's a fraud, because he implies by saying the magnets have unlimited power that they won't get weaker, but they do get
weaker because they aren't an unlimited source of energy.
Don't take my word for it, I wouldn't even waste my money or my time building one of these, but you should ask the people that HAVE been building
these permanent magnet free energy generators for decades, none of them ever work past the point where you run down the magnets, or for various other
reasons. I think one of the ATS moderators has built some of them, I forget his name, but I don't think he's got any lasting results either.
If you want to try it, it's your time and money to spend, and you might learn something from it. But don't say we didn't warn you what the outcome
would be in advance, it will obey the laws of physics, which means unfortunately that you don't get something for nothing.
History of perpetual motion machines
And Dennis Lee is mentioned in the long list of experiments proving that the laws of physics do in fact hold true (in other words, failed perpetual
motion and free energy machines):
Since 1988, Dennis Lee has promised to demonstrate free electricity. Lee claims possession of a Fischer engine, a Counter Rotating Device (CRD)
device, and an overunity motor. Lee has a mixture of religious and extremist political beliefs. Lee has invested in John Searl's endeavors, Stanley
Meyer's endeavors, and, in 2001, joined Paul Pantone in a US state tour. Tom Napier believes Lee's device may have resurrected Gamgee's designs
The history of perpetual motion machines dates back to the Middle Ages. For millennia, it was not clear whether perpetual motion devices were
possible or not, but the development of modern thermodynamics has indicated that they are impossible. Despite this, many attempts have been made to
construct a perpetual motion machine. Modern designers and proponents often use other terms, such as over unity, to describe their inventions.
Remember Einstein's definition of insanity, trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. This has been going on for
over 200 years, and it was understandable before we had thermodynamics and other well-established physics, but it seems like the only people still
trying to use the already proven false methods, are those who don't understand the science.
That doesn't mean I think a "perpetual motion machine" of sorts is impossible, like the example of the clock I gave. But it doesn't violate the
laws of physics so it's possible. It's the machines that violate the laws of physics you can save your time and money by not building them, enough
people have tried before you to prove the physics true. And Dennis Lee's machines fall into that category.
[edit on 1-4-2010 by Arbitrageur]