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Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

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posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 11:38 PM
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I would never dream of shoving anything down your throat...you are doing a fine job of regurgitating your own morality. Sleep well...somewhere...a child...will not.

Thanks for talking and good night.

Peace.




posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 11:45 PM
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I would never dream of shoving anything down your throat...you are doing a fine job of regurgitating your own morality. Sleep well...somewhere...a child...will not.


How so? How am I doing a fine job of "regurgitating" my own morality? Because I state the cold hard facts and they disagree with your guilt trip mentality?

Ever thought about becoming a mission and saving all these kids that don't have a place to sleep? If not you should do it.



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 11:57 PM
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I read the article, and I love how they try to justify abortions in the bill.

It really sounds alot like eugenics to me. What I fear is doctors might be encourage to convince people it would be best to kill the baby because the child won't have a stereotypical life. Or if parents or the child has genetic issues, even if it's just food allergies, they may say the NHS won't cover possible future care. I can see doctors handing out pamplets about abortion benefits and describing the child as nothing more than a bunch of cells, like a tumor that can be removed. Nevermind you can hear their heartbeat at 9 weeks and feel the little human move. I can also see parents beliving them too. Especially if the mother is having a difficult pregnancy or constantly feeling sick. When I was pregnant, I was very sick. I sometimes couldn't believe that I had a little person inside me, it felt like I had some kind of wicked virus or disease.
I don't think those who say the babies should be murdered because someone who can't afford a child or a young girl made a mistake, realize that there are plenty of people wanting to adopt a child. I don't exactly live in a big city but in our newspaper, there's always a few new parents every week requesting to adopt a child.
Anyway, this whole issue reminds me of the end of life counseling people of a certain age are suppose to get under the new health plan. Instead, it's more like a begining of life counseling for future parents.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 12:05 AM
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I haven't ever actually tried to adopt or have adopted a child myself, but from what I understand it is extremely hard to adopt a child.

This is the way I'm looking at things, why don't they review all the policies they have now and see what kind of changes they can make that won't cost us anything.

I know that is a pipe dream, but it just seems to me that there are certain things they can do to help "fix" things without screwing everything up even more.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 10:31 AM
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Pro Lifers are funny, ... I keep hearing this " I'm not paying for this" " Their not taking my money" .... in actuality, ... how much are u actually paying ?? .. if anything at all, maybe a fraction of a fraction, .... of a fraction of a cent ?? Yet you think the government can't wait to get at your coffee can full of dollar bills to do " evil deeds" with it.

Dont like the policy ?? tough s**t, ... this is a free country after all, and a woman can do whatever she likes with her own body, regardless of how that fits in to your moral standards.

I keep getting this attitude, .. that the only girls who have abortions are party girls who cant just wait to get out there and get laid again. People make mistakes, .. it happens. Should we not provide treatment to cancer patients because they " chose" to smoke ??? Maybe we should let drug addicts die because they accidentaly overdosed. Thats the kind of mentality I see here, .... Thou Shall Not Judge, who are we to decide what these women should, or shouldnt do.

You see a life wasted, .... but what you dont see, ... what you possibly could not know, ... is the possiblity's of this childs life if it had been born, a life unloved, underprivledged, neglected, ..... perhaps wishing not to be born at all, .... perhaps the beginning is the end.

Why carry a soul through a lifetime of misery ?? because of personal responsibility ??? well thats what abortion is, ... and perhaps none of you will never know the courage it takes to make such a choice.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 10:52 AM
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Here's what Ron Paul has to say about it in an article called "Robin Hood Run Amok"

www.tenthamendmentcenter.com...



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 11:02 AM
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Hi collietta/

Well said!


You said enough and I could go on, but I would then get upset and probably say things that I should'nt, so I wont!

Government Insurance allowing for abortions....


ICXC NIKA
helen



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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Dont like the policy ?? tough s**t, ... this is a free country after all, and a woman can do whatever she likes with her own body, regardless of how that fits in to your moral standards.


Kind of hypocritical don't you think? Saying this is a free country and all and then saying I have to deal with the fact I have to pay for stuff I don't agree with? Doesn't sound free to me.

But you right a woman has the right to chose what to do with her body, but I also have the right to not fund it.


Maybe we should let drug addicts die because they accidentaly overdosed. Thats the kind of mentality I see here, .... Thou Shall Not Judge, who are we to decide what these women should, or shouldnt do.


Yep we should unless it is a forced injection against their will. Nobody forced them to put a needle in their arm, nobody shoved that crap up that persons nose.


Why carry a soul through a lifetime of misery ?? because of personal responsibility ??? well thats what abortion is, ... and perhaps none of you will never know the courage it takes to make such a choice.


Courage to go to a doctor and have them kill a growing human being? Yea more like a cop out is what it is. It takes more courage to have the kid and give it up for adoption or work your butt of to give the child the best life he/she could possibly have.


Before you go talking about freedom and all this and that, then you need to realize that not everybody agrees with abortion and whether it is legal or not shouldn't mean the people that are against should have to pay for it.

After all this is a free country right?



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 12:34 PM
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Does it say anything about gender changing? Wouldn't surprise me if my tax dollars went towards that as well.



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 01:13 AM
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Unfortunately just recent I had a very good friend come and ask me to borrow some money, I asked how much, he said $600. I didnt see a problem I told him. Then i asked what for. Well he knocked up his girlfriend and they were splitting so she wanted an abortion and wanted him to pay for half. I had to tell him no, sorry I cant loan money on something like that. He understood and got it else where. It was really a sad thing.

I wouldnt loan a really good friend money for that why the heck would I feel any different on giving it to the government to do the same thing. Do we not have choices, do we not have our own opinions, are we to be led to slaughter by the very entity we gave the power to?

Come on, there comes a point were we have to stand for our constitutional rights and just say NO !!!!!! That is just going to be the beginning, we will have to fork out monies for all kind of things (probably some not even ethical) with this national health care.
It will be like all things...first its this...then its that...then its lets make an amendment to this and that, after they have it in place. I find it hard to believe that SO many people are so blind to what is going on. Marcism, Socialism, Obamanism....its all the same..



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 02:20 AM
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Ok. I ALWAYS stay away from the abortion issue. I just don't have the answers, and I am not in any position to dictate any sort of morality, but abortion-rights and/or bans should be a state by state issue. Community by community. No one should be forced to pay for this, and could have some serious unintended(or secretly intended) consequences.

I can only see violence growing from these seeds. This is literally a life and death issue on both sides. I'd rather walk the tightrope we've been on than deal with the consequences of such a stupid policy.


I say this as a person who is both pro-choice and against abortion. Meaning that I would never accept an abortion personally, but I'm not going to get in the way of others' right to choose what they feel is best...Morality is not as black and white as either side would have it seem. And therein lies the source of my frustration with this issue.



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 09:37 AM
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I thought pro-choice people didn't want the government in their bodies. Now they do want the government in their bodies? I'm confused.



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by IntastellaBurst

You see a life wasted, .... but what you dont see, ... what you possibly could not know, ... is the possiblity's of this childs life if it had been born, a life unloved, underprivledged, neglected, ..... perhaps wishing not to be born at all, .... perhaps the beginning is the end.

Why carry a soul through a lifetime of misery ?? because of personal responsibility ??? well thats what abortion is, ... and perhaps none of you will never know the courage it takes to make such a choice.


Why is the argument always that they would have a lifetime of misery if born? Have we become soothsayers that we know what's in the cards for people? What about Bill Clinton? His mother was a poor white trash party girl that he had to pick up from bars as a child. Should she have aborted him?

I grew up in the ghetto with drug and gang violence all around me and I have a very happy life as an adult. If I could change one thing about the Pro-Choice argument it is that. It is pompous, condescending, and hateful. If you can't grow up in the suburbs why live at all? That is the implication of the statement, that somehow adversity is the worst thing that could ever happen to a living being.

What about what does not destroy us, nourishes us? Adversity can make you strong, you know.


*sigh*

In the animal kingdom it is common for mothers to eat their sickly young. In the ancient world there was pater familias, wherein fathers could abandon or kill their unwell children. There has always been a selection as far back as we go in history, so I see this issue no differently. People have always killed their children. Abortion is nothing "new". Calling it a "fetus" instead of a child is the only thing "new" about it.

What I want to know is where is this "quality of life" line for children? Do we only care about their quality of life when they are in the womb? What about 36 month abortions?

What if someone said the same of children in Niger during the drought? That we put them out of their misery now rather than allow them the slow, painful death of hunger and thirst--how would you feel about that? I went on a fast for a week and it was almost unbearable. I cannot imagine the pain that refugees feel, that the mothers with no milk in their breast feel when they have nothing to offer their child. Should we club them all to save them that kind of anguish?

None of us are wise enough to be solidly in either camp. It is far too complex an issue to be so self-righteous about it. I would not make that choice because from personal experience I know I'd rather have the shot at life than have it taken away. Also, I would not want to deal with the consequences of such a permanent decision, but those that do...it is their souls, their conscience that will have to life with it, not mine.

I don't think, however, in a diverse society that it is fair to have people pay for something that they are morally opposed to. I don't want to pay for the death penalty, for war, for abortions, etc. There should be some way to have check boxes on our tax forms. I'd still pay what everyone else is paying, but not to the same "causes". That way we'd have a real balanced budget of only spending what money we have, and the results would be happier citizenry.



posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 02:03 PM
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If you had read the post there would be nothing to be confused about. Like I said, I don't have the answers. And while I am not going to tewll others what to think and how to deal with this issue, I, personally, nor my better half, would choose an abortion. It's quite simple actually.



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 07:57 PM
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I look at it like this, my tax dollars whether I like it or not is paying for killing children around the world.

Where is the outcry? Where are the protest's? Where are the Christian's?

So does it really matter when the children die? I'm just saying, paying for abortion alone should not kill healthcare reform.



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