So Where Were The Families And Friends Of The Alleged Passengers And Crew Of The 9-11 Aircraft?

Emergency damage control from Swampfox46_1999

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Emergency damage control from jthomas

The same medical examiners who verified the DNA and identities of the alleged Flight 77 passengers and crew also handled the autopsies and verified the DNA and identities of the alleged Flight 93 passengers and crew.

How they verified the identities and DNA of the alleged 9 hijackers aboard Flights 77 and 93 remains a mystery because the FBI has no real clue even today in August 2009, who the alleged hijackers were, because they had stolen identities, and were deliberately leaving false papers laying around. The alleged hijackers even managed to plant their own stolen passports for later discovery, despite the raging infernos they allegedly flew into.

These guys had to be the very very best at their trade, veritable geniuses.

This is a classic case of the primary suspect investigating itself and keeping the investigation and autopsies and DNA evaluations under wraps and totally controlled. The FBI could deliver DNA (both alleged victim DNA and alleged family ID DNA) from any source in the world, or maybe they just bypassed any DNA evaluations and just faked it.

There was no formal notification that the AFME would be called upon, but by watching events on television, they saw they would be needed. Beginning shortly after September 11, teams of pathologists began examining victims’ remains. Operations were fully underway by September 13. Working largely at Dover Air Force Base (AFB), Dover,
DE, the teams brought together all the armed services to identify their fallen comrades.

“Our staff represented every branch of the service. We also received tremendous support from the doctors, nurses, and technicians stationed at Dover who participated in the investigation.” Due to short staffing at the AFME headquarters, personnel had to be called in from around the country. Military personnel were identified largely through dental and DNA (deoxyribo nucleic acid) records kept on file. Dental, medical, and Xray
examinations were used. Employees at the DNA laboratory worked twelve-hour shifts, seven days a week to support the mission, while pathologists were also working twelve-hour shifts.

The examiners also determined causes of death. There were frequent requests for information from higher headquarters, to the point that the requests interfered with operations. At the same time, higher headquarters were not accustomed to handling information from medical examiners, and sometimes misinterpreted data, which required further efforts from the AFME to explain.

With tremendous public interest in the recovery effort, AFME received a tremendous number of enquiries from the media. Personnel at Dover AFB focused on their work, and interview requests were channeled away from Dover.

While identification information on military personnel is stored and centrally available, information on the 64 civilians on Flight 77 took weeks to arrive. By November 16, 2001, all but five sets of remains had been identified prior to mortuary specialists taking care of them before release to next-of-kin. “Because of the combined effort of all three services and the FBI” the process worked quickly. It was “the most comprehensive forensic investigation in U.S. history.”

Personnel from the AFME supported, including acting as team leader, the identification of remains from United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed in Somerset, PA. All but one of the passengers and crew were identified. Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory personnel were crucial in identifying victims.

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ROTFLMAO...emergency damage control...whew the paranoia builds.

You really should join us in the year 2009. Any doubts about the hijacker identities were settled in 2001.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by SPreston

 

ROTFLMAO...emergency damage control...whew the paranoia builds.

You really should join us in the year 2009. Any doubts about the hijacker identities were settled in 2001.

Except for the ones who stood up and said they were actually alive, and not in a billion pieces?

Originally posted by jthomas
We know Barbara Olson was on AA77 and talked to her husband before AA77 crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11.

SPreston's "Official 9/11 Denial Movement Story" was debunked back in early 2002 - seven years ago - which just further confirms how desperate the 9/11 Denial Movement is, hoping no one will remember.

That's what the fraud and charlatan, David Ray Griffin, does too. He knows how gullible his true believers are so he can lie all he wants. Ironically, as a theologian, DRG is going straight to you-know-where, bypassing Purgatory. I wonder, does anyone here think DRG will apologize and seek repentence for his sin of lying to you?

But further confirmation of the folly of the 9/11 Denial Movement was in how easy it was to debunk the OP. Just a little background research and SPreston's claim goes up in smoke!

Ok honestly, this entire thing has been debunked like 15 god damn times in this thread. You and swamp have continued to ramble on about it, and at least 3 times now I have told you that this has been debunked, as well as a few others have repeated the same. NOW STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!

reply to post by king9072


And again, you rely on false 'information'. The 19 men, as named by the FBI in October 2001 are NOT the supposed "alive" hijackers. For crying out loud...this was debunked before "9/11 truthers" were losing their memories and believing goofy theories.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by king9072

 

And again, you rely on false 'information'. The 19 men, as named by the FBI in October 2001 are NOT the supposed "alive" hijackers. For crying out loud...this was debunked before "9/11 truthers" were losing their memories and believing goofy theories.

Oh really? So thats why just a few posts ago, you said "all conspiracies about the hijackers was cleared up in 2001" right? Keep your story straight.

They knew the hijackers. They didn't know the hi jackers. They knew them, but they were using fake identities. Can you just keep one story, after all your story is the truth right, no reason for it to have contradictions or anomalies obviously.

Allegedly this is a 2008 video of 9/11 hijacker Ahmed al-Ghamdi (Flight 175) reciting his last will and testament before he died on 9-11-2001.



Here is my question. Since only cruddy alleged Al Qaeda videos were produced back in 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004 and later, how did they produce this really clear video of Ahmed al-Ghamdi if he died way back in 2001?

Is it because the 9-11 Truth movement has been expanding so fast and knocking a hundred more holes in the rickety 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY? Has the CIA panicked and set a task for its As Sahab production house to produce as many videos of the alleged 19 hijackers as possible? Give Al CIA da credit; the quality of their videos has really improved.

Here is a splendid video of a Flight 77 hijacker giving his testimony way back before 9-11-2001. Just look at that splendid quality. Why he even shows a cutout of the damage to the Pentagon. How did he do that before the event?



And here is a splendid Al Qaeda video of alleged Flight 93 hijacker Ziad Jarrah a year before he died. Both of his uncles are admitted MOSSAD agents. Maybe that is a clue? Why didn't Usama bin Laden get high quality videos like these? He was supposed to be the bossman and he was worth billions.



Here is another video by As Sahab showing the will of alleged hijacker Waleed al-Shehri aboard Flight 11.

Waleed al-Shehri

Perhaps they will produce a high quality video of Hani Hanjour grinning madly as he knocks down the 5 light poles.

Since 9/11, videos have been shown that depict Osama bin Laden meeting with some of the hijackers, or the last will and testament of some of the hijackers. In the past Al Qaeda has used couriers to deliver videos to media outlets, such as Al Jazeera. Now, Al Qaeda has the capability to produce high quality videos, through As Sahab, its production house, and deliver videos directly over the internet.

September 2008
On September 19, 2008, As Sahab released a new video which includes approximately ten minutes of footage showing 9/11 hijacker Ahmed al-Ghamdi reciting his last will and testament. Ghamdi was one of the muscle hijackers aboard United Airlines Flight 175.

In all, this video is nearly 1 1/2 hours. There is substantial footage of Ayman al-Zawahiri, Bin Laden's deputy. There also are a few clips of Bin Laden speaking about Palestine, which he says is a "great opportunity for mujahadeen who have been fighting in Iraq," speaking as though Al Qaeda has been doing well in Iraq lately (that is actually not the case, with foreign mujahadeen leaving in large numbers). The video also includes some old clips of Abdullah Azzam, who along with Bin Laden, established the Maktab al-Khidamat (Services Office) in 1984 for supporting the mujahadeen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

The video was released several days late, after technical problems with online forums and sites that Al Qaeda uses. This may mean that the organization Al Qaeda had previously with creating and disseminating videos and other material has been disrupted in some way. Adam Gadahn, a U.S. born Al Qaeda operative, has played a key role in the organizations media operations. There are unconfirmed reports that he was killed in a missile strike in North Waziristan, located in Pakistan along the Afghanistan border.

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reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


Fox IMO as a Nan Veteran you are an agent of distrust .
I would like to say more and I will at a later time.
OK fox?

reply to post by Donny 4 million


And as the son and nephew of 8 Vietnam Veterans and as a veteran myself, I am appalled at your misuse of the English language. I could care less if you think I am an "agent of distrust" (whatever that may be). I will continue to post the truth no matter what insults you post.

I have not read every reply but is it possible or available to get a copy of the passenger manifest or passenger list of the flights?

And is so, in order to put this to rest or prove otherwise, can you do a record of death search and match them up with family members and last known addresses, etc.?

This would have to a paper trail.


Just a thought.

Eye of Eagle

Originally posted by EYEOFEAGLE
I have not read every reply but is it possible or available to get a copy of the passenger manifest or passenger list of the flights?

And is so, in order to put this to rest or prove otherwise, can you do a record of death search and match them up with family members and last known addresses, etc.?

This would have to a paper trail.


Just a thought.

Eye of Eagle

Also search record of funeral.

Originally posted by EYEOFEAGLE
I have not read every reply but is it possible or available to get a copy of the passenger manifest or passenger list of the flights?

There are many different flight manifests for each of the four aircraft, with a few names and number of passengers different. Bonafide flight manifests are filled when the passengers board and do not have to be hastily corrected through the years if something goes wrong.

The problems with all four 9-11 flight manifests stinks to high heaven.

Incidentally the alleged Flight 11 hijacker, Waleed al-Shehri in this video just happens to be one of the hijackers who was still alive after 9-11 and had his identity stolen by the FBI.

Here is another video by As Sahab showing the will of alleged hijacker Waleed al-Shehri aboard Flight 11.

Waleed al-Shehri

Perhaps they will produce a high quality video of Hani Hanjour grinning madly as he knocks down the 5 light poles.

Waleed acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Daytona Beach in the United States, and is indeed the same Waleed Al Shehri to whom the FBI has been referring. But obviously he was not one of the alleged 9-11 hijackers and left America in September 2000.

2. Waleed M. Alshehri: Possible Saudi national. Dates of birth used: Sept. 13, 1974; Jan. 1, 1976; March 3, 1976; July 8, 1977; Dec. 20, 1978; May 11, 1979; Nov. 5, 1979. Possible residences: Hollywood, Orlando and Daytona Beach, Fla. Believed to be a pilot.

Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September. Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco. He acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Dayton Beach in the United States, and is indeed the same Waleed Al Shehri to whom the FBI has been referring. But, he says, he left the United States in September last year, became a pilot with Saudi Arabian airlines and is currently on a further training course in Morocco.

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Sunday, 23 September, 2001
Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.
He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco when they happened. He has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities, according to Saudi press reports.

He acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Daytona Beach in the United States, and is indeed the same Waleed Al Shehri to whom the FBI has been referring.

But, he says, he left the United States in September last year, became a pilot with Saudi Arabian airlines and is currently on a further training course in Morocco.

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[edit on 8/7/09 by SPreston]

Originally posted by impressme
reply to post by jthomas

 

We know Barbara Olson was on AA77 and talked to her husband before AA77 crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Barbara Olson did not talk to her husband on flight AA77.

[edit on 7-8-2009 by impressme]

No, silly, Barbara Olson talked to her husband from AA77.

Learn to read more carefully.

Originally posted by king9072


Ok honestly, this entire thing has been debunked like 15 god damn times in this thread. You and swamp have continued to ramble on about it, and at least 3 times now I have told you that this has been debunked, as well as a few others have repeated the same. NOW STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!

Don't reply to me. As long as Truthers want to bring up the debunked claim that Olson did NOT talk to her husband, I'll remind them that their claims was debunked in 2002.

Truthers have to be told at least 100 times.

posted by king9072

Ok honestly, this entire thing has been debunked like 15 god damn times in this thread. You and swamp have continued to ramble on about it, and at least 3 times now I have told you that this has been debunked, as well as a few others have repeated the same. NOW STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!

posted by jthomas

Don't reply to me. As long as Truthers want to bring up the debunked claim that Olson did NOT talk to her husband, I'll remind them that their claims was debunked in 2002.

Duhbunkers and pseudoskeptics and government loyalists were debunked by the FBI in 2006 at the Zacharias Moussouai Show Trial. Besides, US Solicitor General Ted Olson obviously lied by repeatedly changing his story, constantly contradicting himself again and again.

For a politician, Ted Olson is a remarkably poor liar, often forgetting the script which was carefully prepared for him.

And it is blatantly ridiculous that the 9-11 perps and damage control artists would expect us to believe that Barbara Olson's DNA (and the DNA of everybody else alleged to be on an aircraft alllegedly crashing into the Pentagon) would survive the fiery inferno officially inside the Pentagon and the focused cone of energy from the burning jet fuel which officially blasted the hole through the C-Ring wall called the Exit Hole.

Fragile DNA is destroyed by several hundred degrees of heat, and could not possibly have survived the official thousands of degrees of heat allegedly inside the Pentagon.

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Totally ridiculous is this scam of a 9-11 Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY.

Saturday, September 15, 2001; 3:17 PM

At this morning's memorial service for Barbara K. Olson, who died Tuesday when American Airlines flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, a priest reached into scripture for something familiar – a Bible story.

He did so as he recounted the now-familiar story of the telephone calls Olson, 45, a lawyer and prominent commentator, made to her husband, U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson, to tell him her plane had been hijacked. Theodore Olson was powerless to stop events from unfolding.

"We can only imagine what went through Ted's mind when his wife talked to him," said the Rev. Franklyn Martin McAfee, a pastor in Great Falls.

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What went through Ted Olson's mind? I gotta get these lies right or I'll look worse than Dubya.

By Tim O'Brien CNN
September 12, 2001

WASHINGTON -- Barbara Olson, a conservative commentator and attorney, alerted her husband, Solicitor General Ted Olson, that the plane she was on was being hijacked Tuesday morning, Ted Olson told CNN.

A short time later the plane crashed into the Pentagon. Barbara Olson is presumed to have died in the crash.

Her husband said she called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77, which was en route from Washington Dulles International Airport to Los Angeles.

Ted Olson told CNN that his wife said all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers. The only weapons she mentioned were knives and cardboard cutters.

She felt nobody was in charge and asked her husband to tell the pilot what to do.

Ted Olson notified the Justice Department command center immediately.

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Just one of the lies of Ted Olson; a proven liar according to the FBI at the Moussouai Show Trial.

Barbara did you escape that lying old codger?

Do you have a new life now with children and a much better husband?

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Originally posted by SPreston

And it is blatantly ridiculous that the 9-11 perps and damage control artists would expect us to believe that Barbara Olson's DNA (and the DNA of everybody else alleged to be on an aircraft alllegedly crashing into the Pentagon) would survive the fiery inferno officially inside the Pentagon and the focused cone of energy from the burning jet fuel which officially blasted the hole through the C-Ring wall called the Exit Hole.

You STILL can't provide any eyewitnesses who stated they saw a jet fly over and away from the Pentagon, SPreston?

Cat got your tongue, ole buddy?

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Feeling a desperate need to push the thread off-topic jthomas?

Still flip-flopping as the 9-11 Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY self-destructs before your eyes?

Don't be overwrought jthomas. It can only get worse.

post by SPreston

post by SPreston

Emergency damage control from Swampfox46_1999

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Emergency damage control from jthomas

And again, you rely on false 'information'. The 19 men, as named by the FBI in October 2001 are NOT the supposed "alive" hijackers. For crying out loud...this was debunked before "9/11 truthers" were losing their memories and believing goofy theories.

The DNA of the hijackers was identified how then? The list that was originally released had the names of the hijackers identified on 9-12-2001. If their DNA was identified then they ARE the people listed. If they aren't the same people the DNA cannot match, and therefore that aspect of the investigation is flawed. Either way it puts a hole in the story too big to ignore.

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DNA samples were obtained by police and FBI during their searches of the stuff found that is known to have belonged to the hijackers. The majority of the 19 were identified using the DNA samples (pretty sure all were matched, but as soon as I say that, truthers will go goofy on us..again). So, we have 19 names, matching 19 pictures of 19 men, whose families have not seen them since 2001 AND we have remains of 19 men, which were identified using DNA recovered from items/hotel room/vehicles that those above mentioned 19 men had driven/used/spit on etc.........

And yet....some posters will to their dying days rely on outdated/false information to deny those facts.




Then there is another poster on this page that doesnt understand that the DNA wasn't lying around in petri dishes at the Pentagon...it was obtained from the arms, legs, torsos etc that were recovered from the crash site of Flight 77.

[edit on 8-8-2009 by Swampfox46_1999]

Originally posted by SPreston
reply to post by jthomas

 

Feeling a desperate need to push the thread off-topic jthomas?

I already refuted your OP. Easily.

You've been running away ever since.