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Why Russia & China Love Iran's Hardliners

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posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 08:17 PM
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Why Russia & China Love Iran's Hardliners


tehranbureau.com

For 30 years now, it has been the chant at every political gathering, every Friday prayer, and every demonstration staged by the state. Even the Majles (parliament) deputies have not always been able to help themselves. On many an occasion, members of Majlis would shout “Marg bar America” during a session discussing foreign policy. Even when high officials of the country meet with the Supreme Leader, his speech is repeatedly interrupted by chants of Marg bar America.
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posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 08:17 PM
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This is a comprehensive analysis that I think is absolutely correct, and shows how complex the situation in Iran has become over the years.

I think this outlines how Russian and Chinese interests are as great as western interests, and might even exceed them.

This means that for Obama to attempt negotiations with Tehran over the nuclear issue with a September deadline is tricky, as after supporting the opposition movement it will seem a betrayal to those people putting their life on the line for their own freedom.

Sanctions which are an extension of current sanctions would just harm everyone in Iran, as the whole international community do not accept them, and so a UN santioned agreement is the best way forward with very limited options.

And since there is no way Russia and China can ever agree to what Obama will be asking for in this UN resolution which is likely to be drafted in September, for reasons that this article explains adequately, and a watered-down resolution would be inadequate for Israel & the west.

Because of this there can only be a downward spiral of events from September onwards leading to war between Israel & Iran, and with Russian & Chinese interests, things will get ugly!

I know this has been said before, but the most important part of this thread is the source, which is a great piece of journalism, and puts the BBC and most western news sources to shame.

This also means the opposition in Iran don't have very long to help themselves, and in the event of war they will either be stuck in the middle, or forced to join the regime. And I for one, would feel very sad for the beautiful Persian women who have been out protesting if they do not succeed.

Those stuck in the middle will still hate the regime, but will also hate Israel and the west for bombing them. And our media will probably fail to distinguish them, as they did for many years before the protests began, but hopefully by now they have learnt.

Mentioned today in the Times that Hezbollah have 40,000 rockets ready to fire at Israel, with anti-aircraft missiles from Syria as well.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

On order from Iran Hezbollah could cause massive damage to Israel in retaliation.

Iran are also holding 3 American tourists, who might be charged with spying. I doubt Bill Clinton can sort this one out, unless it benefits the regime somehow to request something like that.

But Clinton set a dangerous precedent with going to N.Korea, as every dictator will be seeking propaganda opportunities by requesting former presidents to visit, and seek out US citizens to abduct. But the end result of the 2 journalists being released was fantastic.

Some key points:


Much has been said over the past several weeks about the possible role of the CIA and the Mossad, Israel’s intelligence agency, in the demonstrations that erupted in Iran after the election. The speculations have been made mostly by the extreme left, and some Iranian supporters of Ahmadinejad in the United States who admire his stance regarding Iran’s nuclear program. The author has no doubts that the CIA (and Mossad) would try to stir things up in Iran if they could, regardless of what President Obama may say in public about the U.S. keeping its hands off Iran. After all, the Obama administration has not cut off the funding for the so-called democracy project in Iran that was put in place by its predecessor. But, the CIA and Mossad have extremely limited resources, if any, within Iran. Their influence and power to stir up trouble in Iran is minimal, if at all.

But, regardless of the extent to which the CIA or Mossad’s meddles or tries to meddle in Iran, there is little doubt that Russia provided intelligence to Iran regarding such activities. In return, Ahmadinejad and his cohorts blew them way out of proportion to advance their agenda. So, perhaps Ahmadinejad went to Moscow to express his gratitude to the Russians, and that angered Iranians, particularly because it was in the midst of their huge demonstrations against the rigged election.

Russia has also exploited the fact that the hardliners in Iran need its protection and assistance. For several years now, it has virtually become a ritual to announce at the beginning of each year that the Bushehr light water nuclear reactor that Russia is constructing will be starting operations by mid-year, and to then postpone that to the end of the year, or early in the following year. Even so, the reactor has not yet become operational.


Russia has some of its own people there - nuclear scientists, engineers etc, if you didn't already know!! How can Israel bomb them without high risk of killing Russian's!!


China, on the other hand, has a long history of supporting despots around the world, so long as doing so protects and expands its interests. Iran is no different in that respect for it. In Africa, for example, China supports Robert Mugabe’s regime in Zimbabwe and the Omar Al-Bashir’s in Sudan, despite all the calamities there. In East Asia, China supported the bloody Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia who murdered 2 million Cambodians; and it supports North Korea.

Iran’s natural resources, large population, and strategic position are all important to China. China imports about 700,000 barrels of oil a day from Iran. Chinese companies are partners of Iran’s National Iranian Oil Company in the first and second phases of the development of Yadavaran, the giant Iranian oil field, which contains 17 billion barrels of oil. China is supposed to invest up to $70 billion in the project. China has also signed another agreement to develop a medium-size oil field, the North Azadegan, which is north of the giant Azadegan oil field with $34 billion barrels of oil.


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posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 02:22 AM
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Nothing new, all about interests.

Most points if not all are also true if you change the title to "Why US Love Israel's Hardliners".

You see, US invaded more countries than Russia. The Khmer Rouge as well as the Cambodia Genocide was indeed funded by USA, simply because they were the enemy of Vietnam. So was Al Quada possibly. And Mugabe was the noble Knight commander of the British empire when he was useful.



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