I don't pay the Illegal Income tax as descibed by any and all codes of the Unites States Go, page 2

reply to post by Jeffesq

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This steering by my friend has worked out great for me. As for him, he is having trouble living off the grid. No major employer will follow his non taxability requests.

See my friend has been able to make his way just fine. I personally have seen areas in the states where the majority of small mom, and pops will ask the questions............ Are you paying cash??? Do you need a reciept????

When your repley YES, and NO respectively the M&P then gives you a discount ranging from 10% to 25% depending on who your dealing with.

The US has a huge growing underground cash economy; which is gaining steam as the govt. falls further from the desires of the people.

reply to post by chiron613

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Minimizing tax is my game. You look forward on investments, hire the right employee's, have the right type of entity, and obtain tax credits. This way you have legal tax free income, but using the tools of the trade.

reply to post by Jeffesq

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See, I personally don't think Johnnyflip should be outwordly screwing with the IRS. Posting in here sure, but to continually be in their face is asking for problems............stirring the hornets nest.

Are you based in the US, and are you advising people what to do obviously as US citizens? What about foreigners?

reply to post by Jeffesq

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You face a 25k fine for arguing that an amendment to the constitution is illegal because it was never ratified? How is this possible? And haven't there been several Supreme Court cases that ruled that personal income was not taxable?

reply to post by johnnyflip

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No no! Not at all, you seem to be committed to the path, and believe me, I find no fault in your research. But then, all I have the courage to do is admit openly that I recognize the injustice for what it is - because in the end despite all the legal machinations and mental gymnastics necessary to justify income tax - even accepting that - it goes against the spirit of the Constitution.

I know that nowadays that doesn't count for spit. But there it is.

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones

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I am not allergic, by the way. I am only talking about income tax here. I used to work for the Treasury Department after I got out of the Air Force. I always wondered why I paid taxes on money for working for the Federal Government of the U.S.
So my money for my labor for working for the Govt. ,goes back to the Govt., for my taxes on my labor, which is taxable, but not really, since the income tax is illegal, but my paycheck was deducted without my permission, for the income tax on the money that I made with the labor that I put forth for the U.S. govt, that was taxed the moment I worked the hours that are taxable, the money which is nothing more than worthless green and white paper that we are supposed to pay taxes on as soon as its issued.... REALLY??? Am I the only one who sees the complete ridiculousness of this????

reply to post by Lil Drummerboy

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I think that you are missing the entire point here....
INCOME TAX?? Where does that money go...?

reply to post by Maxmars

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LAWYERS THAT DENOUNCE THIS FARCE ARE FINED 25K, for even questioning the validity of a law that does not exist. HELLO!!! HELLO!!! The spirit of the Constitution?? REALLY??
So you are saying that the "spirit of the Constitution" compels every single working American to pay an illegal tax?
No offense my friend but that, to me, is in direct opposition to the "spirit of the Constitution".



[edit on 5-8-2009 by johnnyflip]

[edit on 5-8-2009 by johnnyflip]

reply to post by johnnyflip

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You pay income taxes voluntarily. You are right not to pay.

You battle will be an uphill one but Some people have won... Others lost.

All I can say is Good Luck, and keep us posted.

I think you might be the first person from ATS to do this..

While we are here some one needs to post a link to "Arron Russos Freedom to Facisim" to help illustrate the point of your actions .

Good job man.

I look forward to hearing about everything.

Originally posted by johnnyflip
reply to post by Lil Drummerboy

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I think that you are missing the entire point here....
INCOME TAX?? Where does that money go...?

No I am not missing the point. Where does it really go, oh I don't know ask ET man he knows everything. Look It really doesn't matter where it goes You can't do anything about that. I get the thread, Saw the docustory and was as pissed as everyone else, but do I want to end up in court, loose my house and spend time in jail cause I don't have the kind of MONEY it takes to fight a battle like that. NO

reply to post by Lil Drummerboy

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Again you have missed the point entirely. I want the IRS to come to my bush and try to take ANYTHING from me. Besides blood they cant take anything from me.

Originally posted by johnnyflip
reply to post by Maxmars

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LAWYERS THAT DENOUNCE THIS FARCE ARE FINED 25K, for even questioning the validity of a law that does not exist. HELLO!!! HELLO!!! The spirit of the Constitution?? REALLY??
So you are sying that the "spirit of the Constitution" compels every single working American to pay an illegal tax?
No offense my friend but that, to me, is in direct opposition to the "spirit of the Constitution".

[edit on 5-8-2009 by johnnyflip]

You misunderstand. I am agreeing with you. I don't feel income tax is justified by the Constitution - sorry if you think I was justifying it.

Alright people we really need to stop being so scared of the big bad IRS. I am done and I am no longer scared of the IRS. I have lost complete faith in the system and I am not gonna fund it any longer. If you educate yourself on the law and the IRS they are not that scary anymore. I did allot of research and there are allot of different ways of taking on the IRS. About 99% of them will get you in big trouble. Check out the book Cracking the Code by Peter E. Hendrickson. Its a great book that describes how to file your taxes LEGALLY and get 100% back inc. Social Security & Medicare. Just read the book and you don't even need an open mind! I filed my taxes legally in 2009 and got 100% back from the Fed and I'm still dealing with state (long Story).

Keep in mind im not telling you to do anything as that is for you to decide. All im saying is educate yourself and stop being scared of your government. Stand up and be accountable for yourself.

Allot of good info on Income Tax Skeem below:
Lost Horizons

Namaste

reply to post by johnnyflip

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Ok, If I am not going to argue with you. But here is an American fact. If you own anything like a home, Boat, property. anything of value to the IRS, they will have it, if you Choose not to pay your income taxes. again here in the good ole USA.If you have nothing then they can't do much about it but bully you.

reply to post by kjburto

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Awesome, now some are catching on, you can legally never pay dime in income tax ever again. Its actually pretty simple.

Its a shame this wasn't posted on the first page..

ATS LINK TO MOVIE

This is arron russos' film.

His last film.

He was murdered shortly after its release.

You do not have to pay income tax.

You really dont.

reply to post by kjburto

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You file every year and get 100% of your income tax back...but they are still withholding for a year...did you get the money back plus interest?(cause you are lending it to them for the year)

reply to post by consciousdrum

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OOOHHH, burn, another very valid question. Imagine how much interest is gained on the money from the year before that is EVERYONES total of tax liability added together in one interest bearing fund or account. THEN, add up everyones' current tax liability for the current year.
The Federal Reserve makes money on the money on the interest that you as a collective have already been deemed liable for. The end result is a convoluted 3000 page tax code that is all but indecipherable.



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reply to post by johnnyflip

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Well, good luck with that. Just remember... if you drop your bar of soap, you can get another cause that one is gone, man.

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