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Too many people on ATS cannot decipher from New and Old Testaments.

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posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 05:32 PM
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Example when it comes to Islam it has totally turned the cake upside down so to speak because it reintroduces Old testament Laws where none is needed and it sets an example of going back into Bondage when Jesus came to take away that curse. For example circumcisn reintroduced to Muslims. They believe in Jesus as a person but they reject The Christ for all he is and by doing so it opens up again laws that were swept under the carpet.

Johavah Witnesses are another example, where they think they are doing the Jewish duty of proclaiming Jehovah instead of The Christ, again using Old Testaments when not needed to suite them selves including blood drinking or taking blood, but the Bible says nothing about taking blood through veins and being wrong to not save a person that way.



Everything is nice and dandy, right up to the point where God demands something of you, then religion is just a manipulation?
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If you take on religion you decide for your self how holy you want to be, I am sure people leave Christianty these days without being killed for it. Christianity is about being like Christ and having to deal with a world that won't accept such people, because God has chosen his people out of the world because they did not belong to it.





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posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 12:02 PM
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Do you believe in following the Ten Commandments? If so, what is your take on the Sabbath?



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by Locoman8
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Do you believe in following the Ten Commandments? If so, what is your take on the Sabbath?


Now that I am getting wiser with age I think maybe the Sabbath should be respected more, I used to work on sundays but now I feel I prefer not to out of respect.

There is an argument saying the Sabbath sould be saturday and not sunday, but the formular does not break the rules as its always 6 days work and the 7th day rest which is in line with creation. I need to recap on why it was changed, I think it had to do with months and dates and leap years. But as long as the principle is the same it should not really matter, we just synct it up differently, but of course if that is wrong and it breaks God's ways then I hope there is someone who can clarify that to put it right. But since Christ was put on the cross on a Sunday and we celebrate Easter Sunday then it counts as the Lords Day, its meaning may have changed but it will always be the 7th day as the main focus. 7 is a very meaningful number in the Bible, its used throughout out it in many different suttle ways.



posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Just by coincidence, it seems the human body thrives on taking a day off out of every seven. The actual commandment is a rule for how to treat workers. The specificity of days has to do with coincidentally there being a cycle of days for the seven planets where each represent a particular god. This is universal within the world known by the Bible. This fact guarantees the days not being able to be inadvertently switched. Following another day represents following another god.
If someone's belief was open to switching gods they would probably think that was a good thing to go ahead and switch days too, if for no other reason than as a sign of having already made a more fundamental switch. If you already believe that religion is just so much made up stuff by man, then to you, one god is no more or less than another.




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posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 04:44 AM
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But since Christ was put on the cross on a Sunday and we celebrate Easter Sunday then it counts as the Lords Day, its meaning may have changed but it will always be the 7th day as the main focus. 7 is a very meaningful number in the Bible, its used throughout out it in many different suttle ways.



I want to correct you majorly on this one. Christ was not hung on the cross on a sunday. Easter sunday for christains was suppose to celebrate His resurrection, not death. Good friday was meant for the death/cross. That being said, even those days are false and the bible proves it so wrong. There are two different accounts in two different gospels that seem contradictory unless you are familiar with sabbaths and holy days. Jesus was hung on the cross on Passover. It says that He was taken down from the cross and buried before sunset to avoid working on the sabbath. Mark accounts of Mary Magdaline and the other women with her going out and buying spices AFTER the sabbath to embalm the body of Christ. Luke accounts the women bought the spice and oils, then waited for the sabbath to pass before embalming the body of Christ. These two seem contradictory but their not. After Passover was over at sunset, the first day of Unleavened bread began. This day was also considered one of God's High Day Sabbaths. One of 7. Jesus died on Passover. High Day Sabbath rest. Prep day for spices and then the weekly Sabbath. Then the first day of the week. This puts the death of Christ on a Wednesday and using the sign of Jonah (3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the fish) and considering Jesus 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth, Jesus resurrected before sunset on the Sabbath (saturday). This would put His death in the year 31AD instead of 33AD as well. The Lord's day is the Sabbath for Jesus said Himself "I am the Lord of the Sabbath." The day itself is very important because the first century church still honored the 7th day as sabbath. It didn't change until the Roman Catholic Church adopted the pagan day of sun worship to persuade more pagans into the church and distance themselves from Judaism. Also, the Lord's Day refers to the "Day of the Lord" which speaks of the final year of tribulation and 7th trumpet.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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Sorry I got confused about the Good friday thing, I should not rush too much, always making spelling mistakes as such also.
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Like I said I am not too specialised in that area about the Sabbath and like the rest of us most are led astray or are confused. I read recently in John 5 this, which asks more questions but makes sense. But since Jesus was the Son he could do what he wants really since only mankind has to abide that law, Jesus has authority over that law I believe so he could work on the Sabbath.

Also I like to add, how can the Jehovah witnesses not read this passage and yet think Jesus was not equal to God or be co-eternal, how many times does it need explaining and yet many deny the Christ?

JOHN 5
Life Through the Son
16So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. 17Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." 18For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these. 21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.


I need more research but I think the current system is not that bad, even if we now have more people working on Sundays than ever before and they get double wages to tempt them when they do, an evil scheme with a hidden agenda maybe?

Also what if the human body is in sync with the 7days cycle and yet our rest day falls on the wrong day?
To be honest I feel that every sunday I more restful as a person and I don't feel very hungry either, maybe if we listen to out bodies and minds we are very in tune to creation it self, I am optimistic for these reasons that maybe everything is currently okay.

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posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 01:27 PM
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According to my suspicions, the apparent attack on Sunday observance is designed to create a backlash against all that constant work, in order to put in place "Sunday Rights" to protect workers from having to work on Sundays.
Most people would consider it paranoid thought on my part to imagine someone would be so manipulative. I think it is being safe. There is warnings in the Bible about a coming world religion instigated by Satan.
Spending years figuring out the Sabbath question should result in ambiguity about it. The clarity comes only by examining who is behind a universal religion and the observances they will enforce. A day forced by a man made religion will be the mark of accepting its authority to create a mandatory observance.
God does not force His day and allows it to be open to choice on the part of the would-be observer.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 03:09 PM
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Apparently the anti-Christ is going to change the times and dates and numbers according to his own beliefs system and maybe the mark of the beast will have something to do with it too, like some trade mark of his own creation.

I say keep the sundays as they are for us human sinners and if anyone tries to change it we will know who is in authority trying to mix things up, this will lead to clues behind the manipulater of this world.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 07:40 PM
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Reguardless of what you want to think, the Sabbath is still on friday sundown to saturday sundown. This is still kept by practicing Jews also.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 09:24 AM
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I also think that a lot of people on ATS and Youtube can not figure out a parable from a true story either. Jesus spoke like a teacher a lot of the time, he gave examples of stories which had a hidden moral meaning. Today I find that people take it litrally and try and contradict Jesus and make out he is worse than he appears, a lot of the time other people set the record straight, but the increase of ignorance is growing. This can be blaned by the gradual corrosion of the faith which in my mind will be an army against the faith in the end times.

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posted on Nov, 17 2009 @ 01:39 PM
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You mean like the parable of the rich man and Lazarus as proof of never-ending torcher in hell fire? That's such a scam if I ever heard one. Just read the final chapters of Revelation and one learns that hell.... or the lake of fire.... is a SECOND DEATH!!!



posted on Nov, 17 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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That is the whole point is it not of Jesus to stop that from happening to people, hell that is, he is speaking of the future in the Parables and not present time anyway, what is wrong with the warning to teach us? Those who teach the gospels and extend the faith and be fishers of men will be like the stars, we get the morning star title. Doe not matter if yu are rich, it only matters if you have the faith.

The second death is for non Christians, Christians get 1000 years extra timeline and non believers get the second judgement after the 1000years. Christians are judged for what they have done right, non Christians for what they have done wrong.

I am ot sure I am the one who needs to read anything, my basic knowledge just adds proof to what I thought anyway.

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posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 11:29 AM
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I wasn't suggesting anything by it. There is nothing wrong with the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. It teaches an important lesson. The problem is what some christians claim it means. It is the number one proof for "fire and brimstone" christains to use to show that everlasting torment in hell is what happens to non-believers.

Also, to correct you on the 1000 year thing. Christians.... true ones that is, will be kings and priests in the Kingdom of God during the Mellennium. There will still be people living on earth after the tribulation... breathing living humans and THEY are the ones who live in the time of peace without the influence of Satan persuading them toward evil. After this time of peace will be the "White Throne Judgement" in which all humans who didn't take part in the first resurrection will rise and be judged. Some to everlasting life. Some to their final death depending on how they react to the "books being opened" (revelation 20) which are the scriptures. You see, even at the resurrection of Judgement will God show His mercy and compassion by giving ALL people the ultimate opportunity to repent and be saved.... in the sight of the Lord! How great a God we have!



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 03:34 PM
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I just like to say I am not ignorant either, if that is how I come across, I know there will still be people after the tribulation, they will repopulate the earth, there will be those who will not make it untill the 1000 years is over.
Some even suggest that space and other planets will be populated by us, the stars and extra planets waiting for it to be filled with human life, so the plan is pretty big.
Some say the stars will fall and the sky will be rolled up be no more, as described in the book of Revelations but the stars are symbolic langauge to mean Angels who are swept down with the dragons tale, the devil. Which again must mean the cosmos is still here and that these extra planets could be in use for us to populate. But that is just theory for now it seems.

Parables give us clues how the kingdom will be open to us by keeping the faith and the work we do for God regardless of how important or poor in the material world we are, I don't think heaven is an open door as one suggests, maybe it needs a bit more work before hand to get in or prove our selves.



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 06:19 PM
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I was brought up in a Jewish Christian family and have always known the difference between old and new testament customs. I have tried in resent posts to explain this to some degree, only to fall on deaf ears. For now on I will just refer people to your thread when in doubt. Great thread S&F



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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I am just sad that this generation has become this ignorant about literature and religion in general let a lone what a parable is, at school we were told about the differences and yet today I bet they are not even allowed to have assemblies and sing hymes. The spiritual war game is evident, maybe it occurs every 50 years or so before it heals itself again but that is what I feel each generation will go through, with the good of faith standing up for what they belief as they are prosecuted for what they believe. We are letting too many hidden ideology sleeper cells in society who are waiting to put the final nail in, some are just pawns and may not even know what they are doing, a lot of it is down to hidden powers at work, unless we wake up from denial and political correctness without being too extreme in our own nature. We should stand up for what is good and made us good, but we are so obsessed in our own image we think we can match God's grace without him, that is our downfall in democracy and it will continue to divide itself.


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posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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I think people will begin to stop confusing the two when we Christians stop calling them "Testaments" and call them "Covenants" instead.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 08:48 PM
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One book is Testament by Law, the other a Testament by faith.



posted on Nov, 26 2009 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by The time lord
One book is Testament by Law, the other a Testament by faith.
You're close, the New Covenant is a Covenant of grace. People in the Old Covenant were still justified by faith, i.e. Abraham.

The New Covenant is called the "Covenant of Grace".



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 08:38 AM
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I won't try and sound biast but a lot of these people I see especially on Youtube are Muslims who try and pass Parables as fact, they either do not research it or they try and see it from the perspective of their own faith, which you wonder why they take everything litrally.

We all need to open our Bibles up because as fact or fiction there will be educated decievers out there and Christians or passive believers will be caught out, including me.

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