YES!


In the end it comes down to acceptance vs understanding. Religions teach acceptance, and that is bad. The father and the bible even teaches to go in the way of understanding instead. In fact, it says that only by understanding can one actually follow the commandments.

So what happens in all religions is the majority of them do not understand, so they just accept things as presented to them by "leaders". And then they end up doing bad things in many cases, with the exception of those "fools" who have an understanding of heart.

Psalm 111:10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Proverbs 8

5O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.

6Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.

7For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.

8All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.

9They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.

10Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

11For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

That verse goes on later to say that those who find the father early will have their treasures filled by the father with wisdom and understanding - as do many many other verses.

Proverbs 9

4Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him,

5Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled.

6Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.

7He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.

8Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

9Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.

10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Those who accept do not understand, and those who teach acceptance deny it those who seek it.

Psalm 82

2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

They do not enter and they try to block others from entering.

Btw, these verses are a part of both religions.

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Originally posted by grapesofraft
The point is that you are trying to tie every Christian or every Muslim to the acts of some subset of their beliefs that hijacked the religion as a means to preach hate.

I certainly am not doing this, and if I gave such an impression than I certainly didn't mean too.

But how many Christians support wars and such? How many supported Iraq etc? That is not the way of Christ - so who's way is it?

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Originally posted by badmedia
But how many Christians support wars and such?

Being a Christian doesn't mean that you are supposed to be a door mat and just roll over and let people wipe their feet on you. It's very possible to be a Christian AND see the need to fight. Good thing too. Otherwise Hitler never would have been defeated.

Originally posted by badmedia
YES!


In the end it comes down to acceptance vs understanding. Religions teach acceptance, and that is bad. The father and the bible even teaches to go in the way of understanding instead. In fact, it says that only by understanding can one actually follow the commandments.

Exactly... The bible is quite clear that man, all of man, destroys himself through the lack of knowledge. You are very correct.

As far as Muslim and Christian extremists being the same, I don't know that I'd say that. I will say this, if you throw the inquisition and the witch hunts into the mix, yes, they seem similar.

Look, these people, both sides, want one thing. Total domination. They know that they are losing their stranglehold on spirituality and so they are reverting to violence. It is that simple.

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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by badmedia
But how many Christians support wars and such?

Being a Christian doesn't mean that you are supposed to be a door mat and just roll over and let people wipe their feet on you. It's very possible to be a Christian AND see the need to fight. Good thing too. Otherwise Hitler never would have been defeated.

You are just justifying saving yourself however. I know it seems right, but in the end it really isn't.

I am very forgiving on this kind of a subject, because I know people do things out of fear and they honestly believe they are doing the right thing. But one day we must realize that we are taking up the evil when we try to save ourselves in such a manner. And that such a force will keep on rising in order to throw us into fear and get us to walk the path of death and destruction.

That doesn't mean bow down to them by any stretch of the word, however you must look at your own actions and make sure you are not taking up evil. Those who live by the sword will die by the sword etc.

It's a deception. Think about it and you will see why. At the end of the day it is those who deceived who are the guilty party, but we must overcome such temptations.


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