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Are Islamic and Christian Extremism One in the Same?

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posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 02:52 PM
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First and foremost MOD's if you feel this does not match this forum please move it.

I know a lot of you heard about the guy in PA that went into LA Fitness and killed a three women. Well I ran into his blog on the web. Though he had an extreme hatred of women one passage stuck out to me.




Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell. Christ paid for EVERY sin, so how can I or you be judged BY GOD for a sin when the penalty was ALREADY paid. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them.


I feel that this is similar to the belief that "you will be endowed with 100 virgins" that most of the pundents and people who try to bash Islam see when they hear about someone blowing themselves up. I'm not one to judge just observe but over the years we have seen acts of violence that I feel are along the lines of terrorism. It seems to me that the western religions are more alike than they are different.

Any thoughts?




posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:07 PM
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YES!


In the end it comes down to acceptance vs understanding. Religions teach acceptance, and that is bad. The father and the bible even teaches to go in the way of understanding instead. In fact, it says that only by understanding can one actually follow the commandments.

So what happens in all religions is the majority of them do not understand, so they just accept things as presented to them by "leaders". And then they end up doing bad things in many cases, with the exception of those "fools" who have an understanding of heart.



Psalm 111:10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.




Proverbs 8

5O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.

6Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.

7For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.

8All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.

9They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.

10Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

11For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.


That verse goes on later to say that those who find the father early will have their treasures filled by the father with wisdom and understanding - as do many many other verses.



Proverbs 9

4Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him,

5Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled.

6Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.

7He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.

8Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

9Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.

10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.


Those who accept do not understand, and those who teach acceptance deny it those who seek it.



Psalm 82

2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.


They do not enter and they try to block others from entering.

Btw, these verses are a part of both religions.

[edit on 8/5/2009 by badmedia]



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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No they are not the same, at least yet. You dont see Christian extremists organizing to take over the world or organizing as a team of murderers. What you do have is a few crazy people that happen to be Christian sometimes murdering people, but it is never really in a group. These people would have killed someone whether they thought they were Christians or not, because they are CRAZY!



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by DaTruth
 


No they are not the same, at least yet. You dont see Christian extremists organizing to take over the world or organizing as a team of murderers. What you do have is a few crazy people that happen to be Christian sometimes murdering people, but it is never really in a group. These people would have killed someone whether they thought they were Christians or not, because they are CRAZY!


Yes they do. Christianity as a religion will not be satisfied until it is the one world religion.


Google Video Link


[edit on 8/5/2009 by badmedia]



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:26 PM
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That is total BS. That is like saying that every Muslim wants to have Islam rule the world. Some Muslims may want that and some Christians may want that, but its not the majority. That is why the fringe of those groups are called EXTREMISTS, because they take a radical and unhealthy view of their religion.



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:26 PM
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. Do you remember the inquisitions? Which Hunts? KKK? They are extremist and use religion to justify their beliefs.



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by badmedia
 


That is total BS. That is like saying that every Muslim wants to have Islam rule the world. Some Muslims may want that and some Christians may want that, but its not the majority. That is why the fringe of those groups are called EXTREMISTS, because they take a radical and unhealthy view of their religion.


I thought the thread was about the extremists on both sides being alike?

I recognize that within each there are many who are not extremists and such, I thought we were only talking about the ones who were?



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:38 PM
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I do agree with you but isn't the fundamental tenant of most of the western religions "if you don't believe what I believe then you are going to burn in hell?" That to seems like they would prefer to have one religion. i haven't got a chance to view the video because my job blocks youtube.



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by DaTruth
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. Do you remember the inquisitions? Which Hunts? KKK? They are extremist and use religion to justify their beliefs.


Ok if a huge group of Christians organize and fire up the Inquisitions and/or the Witch Hunts up again they I say that group of people needs to be dealt with. So I guess you are saying that modern day Christians should be held accountable for something that happened hundreds of years ago?

As far as the KKK goes, if they get caught pulling their BS then they should go to jail.

The point is that you are trying to tie every Christian or every Muslim to the acts of some subset of their beliefs that hijacked the religion as a means to preach hate.

I guess if some groups of Atheist starts running around preaching hate we should ban Atheism. Oh yeah I forgot that is all many Atheists do is running around preaching hate of all religions that differ from theirs.



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by grapesofraft
The point is that you are trying to tie every Christian or every Muslim to the acts of some subset of their beliefs that hijacked the religion as a means to preach hate.


I certainly am not doing this, and if I gave such an impression than I certainly didn't mean too.

But how many Christians support wars and such? How many supported Iraq etc? That is not the way of Christ - so who's way is it?

[edit on 8/5/2009 by badmedia]



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by DaTruth
Are Islamic and Christian Extremism One in the Same?

When Christian extremists start looking like this - Click Here - then they will be one in the same.

Christianity USED to look like that ... maybe 700 or 800 years ago.
But not any more. There are some hold outs but for the most part
it's evolved a bit.



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by badmedia
But how many Christians support wars and such?

Being a Christian doesn't mean that you are supposed to be a door mat and just roll over and let people wipe their feet on you. It's very possible to be a Christian AND see the need to fight. Good thing too. Otherwise Hitler never would have been defeated.



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by badmedia
YES!


In the end it comes down to acceptance vs understanding. Religions teach acceptance, and that is bad. The father and the bible even teaches to go in the way of understanding instead. In fact, it says that only by understanding can one actually follow the commandments.



Exactly... The bible is quite clear that man, all of man, destroys himself through the lack of knowledge. You are very correct.

As far as Muslim and Christian extremists being the same, I don't know that I'd say that. I will say this, if you throw the inquisition and the witch hunts into the mix, yes, they seem similar.

Look, these people, both sides, want one thing. Total domination. They know that they are losing their stranglehold on spirituality and so they are reverting to violence. It is that simple.

[edit on 5-8-2009 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by badmedia
But how many Christians support wars and such?

Being a Christian doesn't mean that you are supposed to be a door mat and just roll over and let people wipe their feet on you. It's very possible to be a Christian AND see the need to fight. Good thing too. Otherwise Hitler never would have been defeated.


You are just justifying saving yourself however. I know it seems right, but in the end it really isn't.

I am very forgiving on this kind of a subject, because I know people do things out of fear and they honestly believe they are doing the right thing. But one day we must realize that we are taking up the evil when we try to save ourselves in such a manner. And that such a force will keep on rising in order to throw us into fear and get us to walk the path of death and destruction.

That doesn't mean bow down to them by any stretch of the word, however you must look at your own actions and make sure you are not taking up evil. Those who live by the sword will die by the sword etc.

It's a deception. Think about it and you will see why. At the end of the day it is those who deceived who are the guilty party, but we must overcome such temptations.


[edit on 8/5/2009 by badmedia]



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 04:02 PM
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Oh cmon.. so now you are saying only Christians supported the war in Iraq and now it is alll their fault? That is a stretch.



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by grapesofraft
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Oh cmon.. so now you are saying only Christians supported the war in Iraq and now it is alll their fault? That is a stretch.


Where did I say anything of the sort? You are the one stretching things. Please, show me where I said or even suggested that at all.

The point was, it's not the path or way Jesus taught, so who's path and way is it?

Go play the victim in the middle of the street please.



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 05:30 PM
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But how many Christians support wars and such? How many supported Iraq etc? That is not the way of Christ - so who's way is it?


I think you insinuated it right there.



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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So from that statement, you got that I was only talking about them? I did not see the word only anywhere in my quote. You added that word.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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Let me bring some light to this subject. I don't think that this shooting had as much to do with his religion as it did his own insecurity. I heard on the news today that, and I quote, "He hated women because he hadn't had a girlfriend since 1982. He said that women never looked his way."

I think this is more about a very disturbed, confused man, than it is about his religion.



Last time I slept all night with a girlfriend it was 1982. Proof I am a total malfunction. Girls and women don’t even give me a second look ANYWHERE.
Sick Man


[edit on 6-8-2009 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 06:19 PM
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Another example of extremism. So do we still believe that it does not go both ways?



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