Feds at DefCon Alarmed After RFIDs Scanned

reply to post by EnlightenUp


But if we do that to our Passports and Driver's Licenses and credit cards, etc, do we risk ruining the card itself rendering it useless?

i must be missing something about the whole RFID buzz deal.
not that i think it's right to tag people, but..

as i understand, these devices should store a unique ID for each person, that matches an entry in a database where your data is safely stored.
so if a hacker hacked into your chip, all they would see is a long number or hash key.

like having a unique tattoo, birth mark, defect, id card, etc.. which can be used to match you against saved records. we all have been tagged already one way or another. the thing about the RFID chip is that you can't lose it.

you have to pay a monthly bill just to exchange voice or text data with other users by using a handheld device. WHY would they implant a device in you can can store/send off data about you to anyone that wants if for free?

if the people who designed these things are using it to store information about yourself then they need to take a few programming courses.

Originally posted by Nivcharah
reply to post by EnlightenUp

 

But if we do that to our Passports and Driver's Licenses and credit cards, etc, do we risk ruining the card itself rendering it useless?

Yes. That's for whatever doesn't need it for continued use. Besides sneakers, they mentioned tires in the article linked to above (boycott michelin I guess). Some sort of blockage would be better for those.

Reply to post by Roadblockx

sorry to call you out on this roadbloack, but teh ip from your cell changes all the time. There is no set IP for a mobile browser.
Proof:
Go to www.whatismyip.com from your phone browser and write it down wait a lil bit til you change locations. Go to the page again and compare the IP given to you this time to the one you wrote down earlier. they will be different.
I have no idea why but it changes. Don't know if its time or location or what, but it does change


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Originally posted by skeetontheconspiracy
Reply to post by Roadblockx

 

sorry to call you out on this roadbloack, but teh ip from your cell changes all the time. There is no set IP for a mobile browser.
Proof:
Go to www.whatismyip.com from your phone browser and write it down wait a lil bit til you change locations. Go to the page again and compare the IP given to you this time to the one you wrote down earlier. they will be different.
I have no idea why but it changes. Don't know if its time or location or what, but it does change

 

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You're fine. I don't think you are calling me out on anything and appreciate the response. I completely agree that your IP will change just as it does for your router/modem at your house (unless you have a sticky IP or static). It changes because each wireless carrier is given a range of public IP's which they take hand out to their customers. Because there are so many phones and wireless devices demanding an IP address, the internet is now having to use 6 octets (xx.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx) instead of the original 4 octets (xx.xx.xx.xx). Hope I explained that well enough. I get geeked up when I get to talk my native tongue (networking).

The point I was trying to make was that the IP could be the mark of the beast because you would have A number tied to you no matter what. Even those that don't have a computer at home but have a cell phone would "mark" them.

Unless time is the mark of the beast..... Hmmm...

Originally posted by jaden_x
i must be missing something about the whole RFID buzz deal.
not that i think it's right to tag people, but..

as i understand, these devices should store a unique ID for each person, that matches an entry in a database where your data is safely stored.
so if a hacker hacked into your chip, all they would see is a long number or hash key.

like having a unique tattoo, birth mark, defect, id card, etc.. which can be used to match you against saved records. we all have been tagged already one way or another. the thing about the RFID chip is that you can't lose it.

you have to pay a monthly bill just to exchange voice or text data with other users by using a handheld device. WHY would they implant a device in you can can store/send off data about you to anyone that wants if for free?

if the people who designed these things are using it to store information about yourself then they need to take a few programming courses.

Good points. The deal with the RFID's is that you really CAN'T go anywhere without it. You could turn off your cellphone/smartphone/PDA and leave it in your car and not be "tracked". But you HAVE to carry your driver's license, state ID, passport, etc..... Once you enter a business or get close to a government building, that RFID reader would pick-up that signal and find out just who you are. That is a concern even for Joe Citizen. Not being able to travel without being tracked isn't right. Couple that with face recognition software and you really can't get lost in the crowd.....

As for the RFID database. Just like we discussed earlier and another poster mentioned the livestock database, yes all the RFID will have is a "number" or "identifier" that cooresponds to your personal info in a database. So if your RFID gets lost or data gets captured, it could be real easy to be at the scene of a crime using someone else's RFID chip and make it look like they were there. Long shot, sure. In the ballpark, yep.

reply to post by jeasahtheseer


I am really jealous. I have been dieing to go since I entered the IT field 10+ years ago. I hear about it, watch the videos of it and one year will just have to bite the bullet and go. From the security papers I read right after the conference, I am amazed to hear of the new exploits and those that "hacked" at the conference. I couldn't even imagine what that has to feel like when your name shows up on that board as getting hacked.

Originally posted by Roadblockx
Originally posted by jaden_x


Good points. The deal with the RFID's is that you really CAN'T go anywhere without it. You could turn off your cellphone/smartphone/PDA and leave it in your car and not be "tracked". But you HAVE to carry your driver's license, state ID, passport, etc..... Once you enter a business or get close to a government building, that RFID reader would pick-up that signal and find out just who you are. That is a concern even for Joe Citizen. Not being able to travel without being tracked isn't right. Couple that with face recognition software and you really can't get lost in the crowd.....

Simply put any IDs with RFID chips in a foil pouch.

This is the way shoplifters beat RFIDs in store's they use bags lined with foil the beat the sensors at the doors.

Antistatic bags used for electronic will also shield your cards and passport
www.ece.rochester.edu...

My bank gave me a debit card with a RFID chip and the first thing i did was buy a shield
www.rfid-shield.com...

They also make these for passports.
www.thinkgeek.com...

You just have to be smarter then the government.
Or the average bear.


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